They need to fire his ass this year.
They won’t.
If they fire him at the end of this season, they will owe him 100 percent of his remaining base salary (his base is $575k. He also gets an additional $175k for media obligations).
If they canned him at the end of this season they would owe him $1.725M.
To fire him at the end of next season would be $575k.

He’s going to get one more year. To make sure the program is really dead.[/align]

Also I just realized that the MT women’s team is coached by a man named Insell and that makes me giggle.

(01-20-2020 04:17 PM)theboro Wrote:  They need to fire his ass this year.
They won’t.
If they fire him at the end of this season, they will owe him 100 percent of his remaining base salary (his base is $575k. He also gets an additional $175k for media obligations).
If they canned him at the end of this season they would owe him $1.725M.
To fire him at the end of next season would be $575k.

He’s going to get one more year. To make sure the program is really dead.[/align]

You guys need to be careful of what we call "Benforded".

In 2013, Tony Benford inherited an extremely talented North Texas roster from Johnny Jones. Jones team was also on a run of 5 20+ win seasons in a row. That extremely talented 2013-14 team ended up with a 16-16 record. The lack of actual in-game coaching was obvious to even the casual basketball fan.

It only got worse from there for the next 4 years, as our AD continued to hang on to him.
2013–14 North Texas 16–16 6–10 11th
2014–15 North Texas 14–17 8–10 T–7th
2015–16 North Texas 12–20 7–11 T–9th
2016–17 North Texas 8–22 2–16 14th

Now, Grant McCasland is having to dig out from the grave created by Benford and we are finally having a small degree of success again. The fans that we had in 2012 are starting to come back. But, there is a ways to go yet.

There is a real danger in hanging on to a coach when a program is slipping. Once it slips, it can take a good while to get it back.

Want to share something I posted on the home board. See below and let me know if this changes your vote....

The last time MT was this bad in basketball and had a two year stretch this awful were the 1964-65 and 1965-66 seasons. It was two different coaches that went 13-34 (.288).

McDevitt in his first two years (counting only DI games) is 12-40 (.230). To just get to .288, he will have to go 5-2 in the final seven games. Stan Simpson's last two years in the 80's were .333. Hell, even in Randy Wiel's two worst years counting only DI wins he still won 16 games in those two years for a .301 win pct.

No MT basketball team has ever lost 20 games two years in a row (until now). CNM will be the first to accomplish that feat later this week. Congrats McPhee and Massaro on taking us from top 25 to one of the worst - if not the worst - era in MT basketball history.

He should go. TBL is right. Do they have the buyout money?

(02-11-2020 10:29 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  He should go. TBL is right. Do they have the buyout money?

Well, it depends what we are willing to sacrifice. There’s apparently millions sitting to be used for facilities upgrades but if you buy him out then you sacrifice those plans. Though to be honest a lot of us are skeptical about how much is actually in the coffers.

(02-12-2020 07:11 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 10:29 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  He should go. TBL is right. Do they have the buyout money?

Well, it depends what we are willing to sacrifice. There’s apparently millions sitting to be used for facilities upgrades but if you buy him out then you sacrifice those plans. Though to be honest a lot of us are skeptical about how much is actually in the coffers.

You also don't necessarily need facilities upgrades (at least to basketball) if you're simultaneously killing the program.

I still say "no" simply for the financial reasons, though my mind could be changed based on more information about MT's financial situation. At this point it's a complete rebuild for someone this year or next year, and if that $600k you're saving could be put toward the next coach's salary (i.e., $150k more for 4 years), then I think it's to be considered. It could be the difference between finding a $550k head coach and a $700k head coach, which is not insignificant.

I'm guessing I am the oldest MT fan and alum on the board. So, let me validate TBL's observations. Until Coach McDefeated took the MBB reins at Middle; Randy Weil was the worst coach in the last 70 years. At least Stan "Suitcase" SImpson's squad upset the Kentucky Wildcats in the NCAA tourney after stumbling out of the gate. MT MBB is now an official embarrassment!

(02-12-2020 08:58 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 07:11 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 10:29 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  He should go. TBL is right. Do they have the buyout money?

Well, it depends what we are willing to sacrifice. There’s apparently millions sitting to be used for facilities upgrades but if you buy him out then you sacrifice those plans. Though to be honest a lot of us are skeptical about how much is actually in the coffers.

You also don't necessarily need facilities upgrades (at least to basketball) if you're simultaneously killing the program.

I still say "no" simply for the financial reasons, though my mind could be changed based on more information about MT's financial situation. At this point it's a complete rebuild for someone this year or next year, and if that $600k you're saving could be put toward the next coach's salary (i.e., $150k more for 4 years), then I think it's to be considered. It could be the difference between finding a $550k head coach and a $700k head coach, which is not insignificant.

A lot of that money is tied to not just basketball enhancements but football as well - development of new end zone facility, weight room, locker room, etc. The complicating factor to all this is as theboro stated previously copied below...

(01-20-2020 04:17 PM)theboro Wrote:  They need to fire his ass this year.
They won’t.
If they fire him at the end of this season, they will owe him 100 percent of his remaining base salary (his base is $575k. He also gets an additional $175k for media obligations).
If they canned him at the end of this season they would owe him $1.725M.
To fire him at the end of next season would be $575k.

He’s going to get one more year. To make sure the program is really dead.[/align]

Its not the MTSU way to fire anyone, so congrats MTSU for McDevitt the next decade...

(02-12-2020 10:01 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 08:58 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(02-12-2020 07:11 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(02-11-2020 10:29 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  He should go. TBL is right. Do they have the buyout money?

Well, it depends what we are willing to sacrifice. There’s apparently millions sitting to be used for facilities upgrades but if you buy him out then you sacrifice those plans. Though to be honest a lot of us are skeptical about how much is actually in the coffers.

You also don't necessarily need facilities upgrades (at least to basketball) if you're simultaneously killing the program.

I still say "no" simply for the financial reasons, though my mind could be changed based on more information about MT's financial situation. At this point it's a complete rebuild for someone this year or next year, and if that $600k you're saving could be put toward the next coach's salary (i.e., $150k more for 4 years), then I think it's to be considered. It could be the difference between finding a $550k head coach and a $700k head coach, which is not insignificant.

A lot of that money is tied to not just basketball enhancements but football as well - development of new end zone facility, weight room, locker room, etc. The complicating factor to all this is as theboro stated previously copied below...

(01-20-2020 04:17 PM)theboro Wrote:  They need to fire his ass this year.
They won’t.
If they fire him at the end of this season, they will owe him 100 percent of his remaining base salary (his base is $575k. He also gets an additional $175k for media obligations).
If they canned him at the end of this season they would owe him $1.725M.
To fire him at the end of next season would be $575k.

He’s going to get one more year. To make sure the program is really dead.[/align]

Yeah, which basically supports my last point as to why I'd consider waiting. If you can save $1.2 million by waiting one year, that's $300k for 4 years you could pay to the next coach. It's a pretty big disparity in the pool of candidates if you are looking for a $550k coach or an $850k coach (or slide that scale however you like, $700k --> $1m).

Congrats to Coach McDefeated who lost his 20th of the year last night to UAB. All he needs is 3 more losses and he breaks MT's single season Loss Record set by Randy Weil some 20 years or so ago. Geez, it is hard to be True Blue!