I was going to post this in the last game thread, but this was too important.
Lets look at streaks under the Rowe era.
2016-17.
3 Losing streaks- 7, 4, and 5 games
1 Win Streak- 4 Games (EMU, Drexel, Towson, Hofstra) Towson and Hofstra over .500
Never won two games in a row

2017-18
3 Losing Streaks- 4, 7 and 3 games
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice

2018-19
2 Losing streaks- 5 and 5
1 Win Streak- 4 in a row (EMU, ECU, Bridgewater, and Charlotte)
Won 2 games in a row twice

2019-20 *so far
1 Losing streak- 7 games
0 win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice

So our best win streak in the Rowe era was 4 games. Both times involved a D-III and the last winning streak involved 2 of them.
In the Rowe era we have never beat more than 3 Division I opponents in a row.
The fact that we have only won 2+ games in a row 8 times in 4 years is disgusting.
It doesn't matter how young/old this team is: they are still being coached by the same guy.
I am making a prediction: There is no way in hell this team is winning more than three games in a row. In fact, we'll be lucky to see them win 2 in a row.

Longest winning streak against D1 teams... 3

It has happened only once in 4 seasons. That is amazingly awful.

Well, we're not winning another road game, so that leaves the 3-game home stand. Elon is a potential win, but it's doubtful that we'd beat Towson and we're not beating W&M, soooo yeah...

And hopefully we finally put an end to this debacle after the season is over.

(02-03-2020 11:01 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Well, we're not winning another road game, so that leaves the 3-game home stand. Elon is a potential win, but it's doubtful that we'd beat Towson and we're not beating W&M, soooo yeah...

And hopefully we finally put an end to this debacle after the season is over.

don't count out W&M - we lost by 13 at W&M and their starters played 98% of the game. If the convo is packed, last game in the convo, there should be lots of energy. W&M is not playing that great right now.

Yikes

(02-03-2020 03:21 PM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:01 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Well, we're not winning another road game, so that leaves the 3-game home stand. Elon is a potential win, but it's doubtful that we'd beat Towson and we're not beating W&M, soooo yeah...

And hopefully we finally put an end to this debacle after the season is over.

don't count out W&M - we lost by 13 at W&M and their starters played 98% of the game. If the convo is packed, last game in the convo, there should be lots of energy. W&M is not playing that great right now.

Convo Packed?

I wish, but I don't see it.

I'm still undecided on going, but leaning towards going. I'd hate to go and see an announced crowd of 2,900, and actual butts in the seat be 1,200. Would be a bit depressing.....

Just for reference for comparison, here are Keener's streaks.
2004-2005
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
3 Losing streaks- 9, 3, and 8
Lost 2 games in a row once

2005-2006
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
3 Losing streaks- 4, 12(wow) and 6

2006-2007
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
4 Losing streaks- 6, 4, 4, and 7
Lost 2 games in a row 1 time

2007-2008
1 Win Streak- 5 games (Mt St Marys, EKU, NE, Longwood, and Radford)
Won 2 games once
2 Losing streaks- 6 and 4
Lost 2 games once

As a whole, Keener's legacy was much, much worse. Those losing streaks were horrendous. But he did have a much better win streak than Rowe, which is really sad.
On a side note, I didn't remember this, but Keener actually resigned on Feb 22, 2008. He did finish the season out. This is what Rowe should do, but I doubt he will.

those were truly dark times. yet attendance was far better.

Keener had a 4 year contract right?

I have speculated that HCLR might resign for pride for the program and the overall good dude that he is. But then again how many of us would walk away from 300K and severance? I expect none of us.

(02-04-2020 11:01 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Keener had a 4 year contract right?

I have speculated that HCLR might resign for pride for the program and the overall good dude that he is. But then again how many of us would walk away from 300K and severance? I expect none of us.

I agree. Though, I imagine he's getting that last 300K no matter what happens. He's competitive and he thinks he can turn this thing around I'm sure. Plus, if he is fired at the end of this season (like he should be), I know one of his biggest regrets is he'll never coach the Dukes in the new arena that he's pitched to recruits during his tenure as CEO of MBB...along with of course the obvious of getting fired with a butt ugly W-L record (and continued declining home attendance to record new lows).

(02-04-2020 10:58 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  those were truly dark times. yet attendance was far better.

Well, to be fair the fan base was still hopeful and much less apathetic.
It's a bit unfair to blame all of this on Rowe. This is decades in the making. He has certainly contributed to the numbers. He was brought in to bring back the fans and has done the opposite.

(02-03-2020 03:21 PM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(02-03-2020 11:01 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Well, we're not winning another road game, so that leaves the 3-game home stand. Elon is a potential win, but it's doubtful that we'd beat Towson and we're not beating W&M, soooo yeah...

And hopefully we finally put an end to this debacle after the season is over.

don't count out W&M - we lost by 13 at W&M and their starters played 98% of the game. If the convo is packed, last game in the convo, there should be lots of energy. W&M is not playing that great right now.

You have way too much misplaced faith in the energy of the MBBALL fanbase and belief that we love the convo. Im jealous, but keep it up

(02-04-2020 10:53 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Just for reference for comparison, here are Keener's streaks.
2004-2005
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
3 Losing streaks- 9, 3, and 8
Lost 2 games in a row once

2005-2006
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
3 Losing streaks- 4, 12(wow) and 6

2006-2007
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
4 Losing streaks- 6, 4, 4, and 7
Lost 2 games in a row 1 time

2007-2008
1 Win Streak- 5 games (Mt St Marys, EKU, NE, Longwood, and Radford)
Won 2 games once
2 Losing streaks- 6 and 4
Lost 2 games once

As a whole, Keener's legacy was much, much worse. Those losing streaks were horrendous. But he did have a much better win streak than Rowe, which is really sad.
On a side note, I didn't remember this, but Keener actually resigned on Feb 22, 2008. He did finish the season out. This is what Rowe should do, but I doubt he will.

For the record he did not really resign. He was pissed they told him before the CAA tournament he would not be returning. It was would you like to be fired or resign?

Keener's 4th year Sagarin was #210
HCLR's 4th year Sagarin is currently #275

At least Deans teams were improving. Of note he coached in a much better CAA those days.

(02-04-2020 05:14 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 10:53 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Just for reference for comparison, here are Keener's streaks.
2004-2005
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
3 Losing streaks- 9, 3, and 8
Lost 2 games in a row once

2005-2006
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
3 Losing streaks- 4, 12(wow) and 6

2006-2007
0 Win streaks
Won 2 games in a row twice
4 Losing streaks- 6, 4, 4, and 7
Lost 2 games in a row 1 time

2007-2008
1 Win Streak- 5 games (Mt St Marys, EKU, NE, Longwood, and Radford)
Won 2 games once
2 Losing streaks- 6 and 4
Lost 2 games once

As a whole, Keener's legacy was much, much worse. Those losing streaks were horrendous. But he did have a much better win streak than Rowe, which is really sad.
On a side note, I didn't remember this, but Keener actually resigned on Feb 22, 2008. He did finish the season out. This is what Rowe should do, but I doubt he will.

For the record he did not really resign. He was pissed they told him before the CAA tournament he would not be returning. It was would you like to be fired or resign?

Keener's 4th year Sagarin was #210
HCLR's 4th year Sagarin is currently #275

At least Deans teams were improving. Of note he coached in a much better CAA those days.

You are right in saying the CAA was much better. I believe Keener's last loss was to George Mason.
Most people believed this year was Rowe's most talented team. Try to find a presser of Rowe right before the season. He looked much different than he does today. He was VERY confident in this team. Many say this was the first year it was HIS team... the team he wanted.
Result? The most games they can manage to win in a row all season is 2 and have only done it twice. Pathetic.

(02-04-2020 05:36 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Most people believed this year was Rowe's most talented team. Try to find a presser of Rowe right before the season. He looked much different than he does today. He was VERY confident in this team. Many say this was the first year it was HIS team... the team he wanted.
Result? The most games they can manage to win in a row all season is 2 and have only done it twice. Pathetic.

True, but let's give credit where credit is due. Rowe is 5-0 over his 4 seasons against D3 competition. Dude don't take no schlitz against those mutha fathers. So, I'm looking at you Eastern Mennonite...Shenandoah...and Bridgewater...as long as Lou Rowe is head coach, yall don't be bringin' yall's weak schlitz into the Convo or new UABC thinkin' you are walking out with a W. It ain't happenin'. Yall come into our house and Lou Rowe makes you walk out with a loss, beyatches! HARUMPH!

(02-04-2020 11:01 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Keener had a 4 year contract right?

I have speculated that HCLR might resign for pride for the program and the overall good dude that he is. But then again how many of us would walk away from 300K and severance? I expect none of us.

One other side of that is it's gotta be a good look to future employers right? If he somehow works his way back up the ladder and is up for HC jobs in the future, you've gotta feel a little better about giving a guy a five year contract if he's shown that he'll resign after four if he's no longer wanted. Hard to tell how likely that is to actually make a difference though, seems unlikely.

(02-04-2020 05:43 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 05:36 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Most people believed this year was Rowe's most talented team. Try to find a presser of Rowe right before the season. He looked much different than he does today. He was VERY confident in this team. Many say this was the first year it was HIS team... the team he wanted.
Result? The most games they can manage to win in a row all season is 2 and have only done it twice. Pathetic.

True, but let's give credit where credit is due. Rowe is 5-0 over his 4 seasons against D3 competition. Dude don't take no schlitz against those mutha fathers. So, I'm looking at you Eastern Mennonite...Shenandoah...and Bridgewater...as long as Lou Rowe is head coach, yall don't be bringin' yall's weak schlitz into the Convo or new UABC thinkin' you are walking out with a W. It ain't happenin'. Yall come into our house and Lou Rowe makes you walk out with a loss, beyatches! HARUMPH!

Post of the year nominee

(02-04-2020 05:43 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(02-04-2020 05:36 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Most people believed this year was Rowe's most talented team. Try to find a presser of Rowe right before the season. He looked much different than he does today. He was VERY confident in this team. Many say this was the first year it was HIS team... the team he wanted.
Result? The most games they can manage to win in a row all season is 2 and have only done it twice. Pathetic.

True, but let's give credit where credit is due. Rowe is 5-0 over his 4 seasons against D3 competition. Dude don't take no schlitz against those mutha fathers. So, I'm looking at you Eastern Mennonite...Shenandoah...and Bridgewater...as long as Lou Rowe is head coach, yall don't be bringin' yall's weak schlitz into the Convo or new UABC thinkin' you are walking out with a W. It ain't happenin'. Yall come into our house and Lou Rowe makes you walk out with a loss, beyatches! HARUMPH!

Well, maybe he would be happy in D3?