(01-19-2020 08:15 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: That's a generous offer. Post clips of the last two fouls called on Jason Wade. We'll compare them to the no calls on the three tie ups.
5th foul and while you didnt see it as it was called live (didnt show a replay)...stop action you can see Wade come across the arm or hand. Foul or not we both know it's very very often called a foul when the ball is slapped from behind on a reach in.
4th foul the refs are behind the play and while its clear on the TV screen that Wade flew past Savage. Probably looked different to the ref behind the play.. slowed down from behind it actually looks like he might have hit Savage. Looks can be deceiving depending on where you are when you see it. From the other view, straight in, it looks like he flew past Savage
5th foul was all ball and a weak call. 4th foul he didnt even touch him and is a horrible call. Come on.
(01-19-2020 08:15 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: That's a generous offer. Post clips of the last two fouls called on Jason Wade. We'll compare them to the no calls on the three tie ups.
5th foul and while you didnt see it as it was called live (didnt show a replay)...stop action you can see Wade come across the arm or hand. Foul or not we both know it's very very often called a foul when the ball is slapped from behind on a reach in.
4th foul the refs are behind the play and while its clear on the TV screen that Wade flew past Savage. Probably looked different to the ref behind the play.. slowed down from behind it actually looks like he might have hit Savage. Looks can be deceiving depending on where you are when you see it. From the other view, straight in, it looks like he flew past Savage
5th foul was all ball and a weak call. 4th foul he didnt even touch him and is a horrible call. Come on.
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Lets be 100% honest...
you saw with your eyes his hand hit all ball? Lets keep in mind the only time you saw this was at full speed because they never showed a replay.
So I guess you are making your opinion off the frame by frame video I posted? If so it take a 100% homer to say all ball because I dont think anyone could say either way just from looking at it. Especially not all ball if you take other things into consideration. To you it might be a weak call but its a call made almost everytime when a player slaps at the ball from behind and goes across the arm as they go up for a shot
The ref had a better view than any of us and he was a lot closer. Not only that hitting ball and hitting skin makes two different types of sound. You can tell by the movement of Wades arm after contact that it hit something besides the ball. If the ball was the only thing it hit the arm comes through the motion and straight down.
It doesnt after contact the arm swings out towards the baseline then goes behind his back. Savage is moving in the same direction as Wades arm goes...
The video clearly shows (as clear as it can) that after swinging at the ball Wades arm does not stop or change directions. It shows his arm makes contact after it gets past the ball then it stops going forward/down and swings back toward the basket/baseline. The same direction Savage is moving
I think it shows Wade Swings at ball(might even hit it), hits Savage's arm going towards the basket, Wade's arm is them pushed in that same direction. The ball does not go "up" or "down" as it should if its hit hard enough to knock it out of his hands, it goes off to the side at the same plane its on
(This post was last modified: 01-20-2020 02:02 AM by WKUYG.)
Doubtful the ref could have heard skin or ball if it was slapped at that time of the game. I assume the WKU crowd was making plenty of noise on the play during your team's comeback win.
Just prior to Wade's 4th foul when he was in the process of catching the ball near mid court .... did you not see the WKU player come running over from the foul line area in rotation and hit him from behind causing Wade to lurch forward? That's usually a foul 10 times out of 10. I'm happy to hear that I had remembered the ensuing play correctly where Wade ran in front of the WKU guy without touching him after the ball was knocked loose and was called for the phantom foul.
I agree with your comment that reaching in is usually called a foul. It is especially the case when a team is frantically trying to get back into a game in the closing seconds. That didn't happen either time when WKU's #4 reached in on ODU's #11 Oliver in the back court, or again in the front court just seconds later when the official called a jump ball in your original video #2.
For the record WKUYG I'm not upset about any of this. In my opinion this is a lost season for ODU and things probably will have to get worse before they will get better. As the old saying goes ... you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
Lastly, I sincerely want to thank you for the time and effort you took to create the numerous videos you placed here. You come across as a fair minded guy, and a good WKU fan as well.
(This post was last modified: 01-20-2020 02:50 AM by ODU BBALL.)
(01-20-2020 01:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: Doubtful the ref could have heard skin or ball if it was slapped at that time of the game. I assume the WKU crowd was making plenty of noise on the play during your team's comeback win.
Just prior to Wade's 4th foul when he was in the process of catching the ball near mid court .... did you not see the WKU player come running over from the foul line area in rotation and hit him from behind causing Wade to lurch forward? That's usually a foul 10 times out of 10. I'm happy to hear that I had remembered the ensuing play correctly where Wade ran in front of the WKU guy without touching him after the ball was knocked loose and was called for the phantom foul.
I agree with your comment that reaching in is usually called a foul. It is especially the case when a team is frantically trying to get back into a game in the closing seconds. The didn't happen either time when WKU's #4 reached in on ODU's #11 Oliver in the back court, or again in the front court just seconds later when the official called a jump ball in your original video #2.
For the record WKUYG I'm not upset about any of this. In my opinion this is a lost season for ODU and things probably will have to get worse before they will get better. As the old saying goes ... you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
Lastly, I sincerely want to thank you for the time and effort you took to create the numerous videos you placed here. You come across as a fair minded guy, and a good WKU fan as well.
To make that come back EVERY CALL had to go Western's way. They did and I'm 100% sure that wont happen again this season. Just like Western will not go 9-10 on 3s in the 2nd half of a game this decade...if ever.
It took both of those for Western to beat ODU and UNT. Before the season is out I'm almost 100% for sure Western will be on the other end of two games like those two.
I think this thread has been fairly level headed by most fans on both sides. Both just see it different and if reversed I could see both sets of fans making different arguments.
Some calls we see wrong and some calls are just called wrong. It's always going to be that way. The play that led to Wades 4th foul (steal at mid court) I think is called a foul on the steal at mid court...80% of the time. But the no call on the walk where ODU gets the rebound and takes a step across the lane and scores. Is probably called a walk 90% of the time. There were probably 10 miss calls through out the game that cost a foul or points or both. As fans the ones at the end of games are more important.
Right now the tourney is the only thing that really matters...build and grow and get better
(This post was last modified: 01-20-2020 02:23 AM by WKUYG.)
(01-20-2020 01:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: Lastly, I sincerely want to thank you for the time and effort you took to create the numerous videos you placed here. You come across as a fair minded guy, and a good WKU fan as well.
Those clips were painful to re-watch, but (like ODU BBALL) appreciate you posting them.
This is not our season. But we'll be back in future seasons, and will look forward to more hotly contested matches with WKU.
(01-20-2020 01:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: Doubtful the ref could have heard skin or ball if it was slapped at that time of the game. I assume the WKU crowd was making plenty of noise on the play during your team's comeback win.
Just prior to Wade's 4th foul when he was in the process of catching the ball near mid court .... did you not see the WKU player come running over from the foul line area in rotation and hit him from behind causing Wade to lurch forward? That's usually a foul 10 times out of 10. I'm happy to hear that I had remembered the ensuing play correctly where Wade ran in front of the WKU guy without touching him after the ball was knocked loose and was called for the phantom foul.
I agree with your comment that reaching in is usually called a foul. It is especially the case when a team is frantically trying to get back into a game in the closing seconds. That didn't happen either time when WKU's #4 reached in on ODU's #11 Oliver in the back court, or again in the front court just seconds later when the official called a jump ball in your original video #2.
For the record WKUYG I'm not upset about any of this. In my opinion this is a lost season for ODU and things probably will have to get worse before they will get better. As the old saying goes ... you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
Lastly, I sincerely want to thank you for the time and effort you took to create the numerous videos you placed here. You come across as a fair minded guy, and a good WKU fan as well.
Dang. I’m glad I’ve never seen you upset.
ODU fans acting like this was their only loss of the season and it was the conference tourney finals.
Charlotte fans acting like they’ve never lost a basketball game before Saturday. And they’ve lost many many many games since we’ve been in this version of CUSA. I’m guessing that 3-0 home start had sugar plums dancing in their heads.
(01-20-2020 01:47 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: Doubtful the ref could have heard skin or ball if it was slapped at that time of the game. I assume the WKU crowd was making plenty of noise on the play during your team's comeback win.
Just prior to Wade's 4th foul when he was in the process of catching the ball near mid court .... did you not see the WKU player come running over from the foul line area in rotation and hit him from behind causing Wade to lurch forward? That's usually a foul 10 times out of 10. I'm happy to hear that I had remembered the ensuing play correctly where Wade ran in front of the WKU guy without touching him after the ball was knocked loose and was called for the phantom foul.
I agree with your comment that reaching in is usually called a foul. It is especially the case when a team is frantically trying to get back into a game in the closing seconds. That didn't happen either time when WKU's #4 reached in on ODU's #11 Oliver in the back court, or again in the front court just seconds later when the official called a jump ball in your original video #2.
For the record WKUYG I'm not upset about any of this. In my opinion this is a lost season for ODU and things probably will have to get worse before they will get better. As the old saying goes ... you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
Lastly, I sincerely want to thank you for the time and effort you took to create the numerous videos you placed here. You come across as a fair minded guy, and a good WKU fan as well.
ODU fans acting like this was their only loss of the season and it was the conference tourney finals.
Charlotte fans acting like they’ve never lost a basketball game before Saturday. And they’ve lost many many many games since we’ve been in this version of CUSA. I’m guessing that 3-0 home start had sugar plums dancing in their heads.
(01-18-2020 08:23 PM)Ole Blue Wrote: MT basketball should just start over. What a bad team...
No worries. Keep your chin up. LA Tech --and its' horrible free throw shooting-- is coming to town! We'll make you guys feel good about yourselves and your team.
Do you really think the Raiders have any chance of winning? I would be more surprised if they win a game in conference play than if they go winless. The team is basically a bunch of guards, and the best guard from last year has regressed significantly (Antonio Green).
Do everyone in your gym a favor: When LA Tech goes to shoot free throws, just make sure the women and children are in a safe place. Otherwise, we can't be responsible for the collateral damage.
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