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2019 FCS Championship Game Postmortem
This post will cover many post game, and post season thoughts I have. I have not yet gone back and re-watched the game, but these are things that went through my mind about the game and season on my way back yesterday. Once again, because the exact times and events may be off since this has been written as a fan watching the game yesterday, and the possible game specific inaccuracies do not really alter why I feel and see things as I do. (that's the BDK clause) 04-cheers

#1 - Props to NDSU, their coaches, and more so by far Trey Lance. I felt NDSU was the more mentally tough team yesterday. After the first drive yesterday, it felt like they never were out of control of the game. Trey Lance in person was everything I read about & more. NDSU has had some great QB's the last decade, but even as only a freshman he's the most dominant NDSU QB I have seen in college. I get the POY conference and national awards. Sadly we did not see a ton of his passing game yesterday, but he was without a doubt the best player on the field. The comparison that kept coming to my mind in watching him was Amanti Edwards. He was unstoppable, a game changer, and the difference in the game. He's no fluke, and could be a very good QB at the next level, especially with the current NFL's evolving QB play.

Coaching for the game and Year

Curt was my choice for the next head coach because I thought he was the safe move. At worst I felt he would be good coach at JMU. He and his staff are the best in the CAA in my opinion. All and all he had the year I expected based on the team he had coming back and Curt's resume. I liked the progress the team made throughout the year. I think the two biggest games of the year Curt's team lost were due to better coaching. I think we should of beaten both WVU and NDSU. I'd rate Curt between good and very good, but not great.

NDSU fans

I know some have said they are friendly and great fans. Here's my take - I think some are very friendly, but a lot of very arrogant and not so friendly. As far as the arrogance, we have the same fans (even on here), but at least their teams have earned it. I would not call them one of the friendlier fans bases as many have claimed. As far as support, there are none better in FCS. I'd say they had at least 50% more fans then us yesterday.

Coaching was the difference

The fake FG, and fake double reverse were great plays and well executed. We never stopped Trey, and they never went away from what was working. On the fake FG in those weather conditions from that distance - the coaches should of had the players ready for a fake FG.

As good as I know Trey was, I'm shocked with the talent we have, the success we've shown in stopping the run, and three weeks of preparation that Curt and Corey could not devise a defense to even slow Trey. Basically they were a one man team on offense. Make someone else beat us. We had the talent to play much better than we did yesterday. As good as I know Trey was, I was a bit shocked by our inability to stop his running.

There was an article in the DNR about how we were preparing for their 2 point gimmick play they run, and after their first TD they had 4 players out to the right, and we only had two covering. Why they didn't go for the two points, I don't know. How in the world were we not ready for something they always do? Our coaches were going nutz on the sidelines to get someone to move out, but we never adjusted. Thankfully they just kicked the extra point.

I guess the package we came up with over the three weeks was with Gage Moloney. I do like that it gave our possible starter some meaningful playing time on the big stage. That experience will never hurt. I actually like the lateral to Ben, but it should of been on the initial series with Gage. After Gage plays his initial series, I'm sure the NDSU coaches were able tell their players be alert for a lateral to Ben for a long pass. They certainly had it covered. Ben should of thrown the ball away. That is not a spot he could take the big sack.

The clock management on the final drive was brutal. Coaches made a ton of errors.

Palmer runs the ball for 7 yards, and then you bring in Hamilton to run the next play? 1) when you switch running backs you automatically take 20 seconds off the clock to allow the defense to make changes. 2) Why bring someone else to run the ball when Palmer just ran for 7 yards? They did this multiple times on the last drive killing clock each time. Then with less than a minute on the clock we let 20 seconds run on the clock after a defensive offside. 1) after a penalty we should of been ready to run a play with no time running off the clock. 2) we had two timeouts we could of used. I watched Curt the whole time during the that 20 seconds - he looked relaxed and I wonder if anyone was aware the clock was running.

Now the next three play call objections are just personal option, but realize some will disagree:
1) I would of run Palmer at the three with 7 seconds to go with timeouts in hand.
2) I would of gone for 2 on the first TD, so I knew if I would need 1 or 2 more possessions.
3) In the 2nd quarter I would of gone for the 4th and 7, especially after Ethan missed the first attempt.

Ben

After the third quarter I was thinking what a solid game he had played. Well that kinda fell apart in the 4th quarter. He started making ill-advised passes. The execution on his final pass was not good. On the lateral from Gage he should of never taken the sack. Also there was multiple opportunities to have big runs and he choose to pass the ball, once pass the line of scrimmage. They brought in Gage to run the ball?

I don't get it, the one thing Ben did well last year, and earlier in the year was run the ball. He's not Trey, but his running ability causes major issues for opposing teams. I asked this weeks ago - Why is Ben no longer part of the running offense? Did he have some injury we are unaware of? Had some prior JMU football players in front of me asking the same thing. Ben's always been a good runner - why did it leave the offense? The few times he does run the ball he shy's away from hits and head out of bounds. That is not the Ben I know. His final run on a 4th and 6 he lowed his pads and picked up the key first down. Why was his running not part of the offense the rest of the games or prior games?

Ben had a really good year, and led us to be the dominant team we were. He earned and deserved the CAA offensive POY, but the 4th quarter was a step back to his past.

Officiating

I never go here, but the difference in the calls (by I think the same ref) on interference were maddening. I'm questioning if he had money on the game. There was some blatant ones by us in the first half I did not have an issue with, but the second half - what the heck?

Maybe they were not calling holding on either team, but I saw some major holds by them on big plays not called. As I said, I've not gone back and watched on TV, but in person it looked like they had someone holding big time on Trey's last 44 yard TD.

Credit again to NDSU


They made a ton of plays on 3rd and long, and 4th downs. We didn't and we did not stop them.

Streamers

The staff at the game did not care about streamers as seemed the case to me two years ago. Obviously don't display you have them coming in, but there were 1,000s of streamers there and no one seemed to care.

Fabulous Frisco

My feelings have not changed from before. Even if we to go again next year, can't see dropping another $2,000 + to go. Who knows, but right now I can't see investing that money to go back to the same place for a FCS game.

Next year

While we have a lot coming back, I'm not sure we've ever lost more to graduation in a single year. As other's have said, put NDSU in another category. This is likely the least optimistic I've felt for an upcoming year since Houston's first year. I'm not sure winning the CAA is a lock as I've thought the last three years. I'm not sure we're a top 6 team. Reason's for concern:
1) As I said we've never lost more to graduation
2) I don't think our high school recruiting was as strong this year
3) With the dominant performances we had, I don't think we utilized some of the easy wins to invest in the returning players enough - especially with our defensive front. I realize there was a drop off on the 2nd teamers, but we should of invested in them more as NDSU did, and we have done in the past. We'll see how prepared they are next year once they have to play.
4) We have no idea who the QB will be
5) We lost three great receivers & blockers in Polk, & the Stapletons.

We have some real studs returning next year, and hopefully some key transfers but I see a significant drop off for us next year. Does not fell like a reload.

2019 was a great year for JMU football. I feel we left something on the table, but we were easily 2nd best. If not for one player we would of easily been the best.

I can't imagine anything that could excitement me more in JMU FCS football than an announcement we are going FBS. JMU FCS football excitement continues to diminish each year. Still like it a lot. I would never miss watching a game, but FCS and lack of what I feel is a rival.....
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I am sure I will be criticized for saying this, I don't care.

I don't remember the thread, post or poster but I recently read what I thought was a poster stating that Charlie King told him or her that fcs is where JMU belongs. For a decade I have believed thzt this
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Is how the admin feels and JMU will always be fcs and can't compete in mbb.

The school has outgrown the admin. I don't think retirements of King and Bourne matter, we are stuck with Alger...
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What is JMU’s long-term athletic strategy? Hope NDSU gets a call from the MAC?
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(01-12-2020 03:47 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  What is JMU’s long-term athletic strategy? Hope NDSU gets a call from the MAC?

Who knows?
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(01-12-2020 03:47 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Hope NDSU gets a call from the MAC?

Interesting. The smelly Bisons would dominate the MAC immediately. It would be a major upgrade for the MAC. However, would NDSU accept the MACtion midweek game nightmare? I doubt it.

MWC makes more sense. They should flush New Mexico and add the smelly Bisons.
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Sorry, I don’t mean this personally, because it’s all just a difference of opinion, but it’s kind of sad and disappointing that dukester talks about the game and football and all you guys can bring up is more whining about fcs vs fbs.

Save it for that other thread.

Let’s keep this one about football. Which oh by the way, unless you are just miserable about your school and sports in general, Saturday in frisco was a fun and thrilling day (heartbreaking too) and I will be back there the next time we make it.
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(01-12-2020 03:17 PM)Dukester Wrote:  This post will cover many post game, and post season thoughts I have. I have not yet gone back and re-watched the game, but these are things that went through my mind about the game and season on my way back yesterday. Once again, because the exact times and events may be off since this has been written as a fan watching the game yesterday, and the possible game specific inaccuracies do not really alter why I feel and see things as I do. (that's the BDK clause) 04-cheers

#1 - Props to NDSU, their coaches, and more so by far Trey Lance. I felt NDSU was the more mentally tough team yesterday. After the first drive yesterday, it felt like they never were out of control of the game. Trey Lance in person was everything I read about & more. NDSU has had some great QB's the last decade, but even as only a freshman he's the most dominant NDSU QB I have seen in college. I get the POY conference and national awards. Sadly we did not see a ton of his passing game yesterday, but he was without a doubt the best player on the field. The comparison that kept coming to my mind in watching him was Amanti Edwards. He was unstoppable, a game changer, and the difference in the game. He's no fluke, and could be a very good QB at the next level, especially with the current NFL's evolving QB play.

Coaching for the game and Year

Curt was my choice for the next head coach because I thought he was the safe move. At worst I felt he would be good coach at JMU. He and his staff are the best in the CAA in my opinion. All and all he had the year I expected based on the team he had coming back and Curt's resume. I liked the progress the team made throughout the year. I think the two biggest games of the year Curt's team lost were due to better coaching. I think we should of beaten both WVU and NDSU. I'd rate Curt between good and very good, but not great.

NDSU fans

I know some have said they are friendly and great fans. Here's my take - I think some are very friendly, but a lot of very arrogant and not so friendly. As far as the arrogance, we have the same fans (even on here), but at least their teams have earned it. I would not call them one of the friendlier fans bases as many have claimed. As far as support, there are none better in FCS. I'd say they had at least 50% more fans then us yesterday.

Coaching was the difference

The fake FG, and fake double reverse were great plays and well executed. We never stopped Trey, and they never went away from what was working. On the fake FG in those weather conditions from that distance - the coaches should of had the players ready for a fake FG.

As good as I know Trey was, I'm shocked with the talent we have, the success we've shown in stopping the run, and three weeks of preparation that Curt and Corey could not devise a defense to even slow Trey. Basically they were a one man team on offense. Make someone else beat us. We had the talent to play much better than we did yesterday. As good as I know Trey was, I was a bit shocked by our inability to stop his running.

There was an article in the DNR about how we were preparing for their 2 point gimmick play they run, and after their first TD they had 4 players out to the right, and we only had two covering. Why they didn't go for the two points, I don't know. How in the world were we not ready for something they always do? Our coaches were going nutz on the sidelines to get someone to move out, but we never adjusted. Thankfully they just kicked the extra point.

I guess the package we came up with over the three weeks was with Gage Moloney. I do like that it gave our possible starter some meaningful playing time on the big stage. That experience will never hurt. I actually like the lateral to Ben, but it should of been on the initial series with Gage. After Gage plays his initial series, I'm sure the NDSU coaches were able tell their players be alert for a lateral to Ben for a long pass. They certainly had it covered. Ben should of thrown the ball away. That is not a spot he could take the big sack.

The clock management on the final drive was brutal. Coaches made a ton of errors.

Palmer runs the ball for 7 yards, and then you bring in Hamilton to run the next play? 1) when you switch running backs you automatically take 20 seconds off the clock to allow the defense to make changes. 2) Why bring someone else to run the ball when Palmer just ran for 7 yards? They did this multiple times on the last drive killing clock each time. Then with less than a minute on the clock we let 20 seconds run on the clock after a defensive offside. 1) after a penalty we should of been ready to run a play with no time running off the clock. 2) we had two timeouts we could of used. I watched Curt the whole time during the that 20 seconds - he looked relaxed and I wonder if anyone was aware the clock was running.

Now the next three play call objections are just personal option, but realize some will disagree:
1) I would of run Palmer at the three with 7 seconds to go with timeouts in hand.
2) I would of gone for 2 on the first TD, so I knew if I would need 1 or 2 more possessions.
3) In the 2nd quarter I would of gone for the 4th and 7, especially after Ethan missed the first attempt.

Ben

After the third quarter I was thinking what a solid game he had played. Well that kinda fell apart in the 4th quarter. He started making ill-advised passes. The execution on his final pass was not good. On the lateral from Gage he should of never taken the sack. Also there was multiple opportunities to have big runs and he choose to pass the ball, once pass the line of scrimmage. They brought in Gage to run the ball?

I don't get it, the one thing Ben did well last year, and earlier in the year was run the ball. He's not Trey, but his running ability causes major issues for opposing teams. I asked this weeks ago - Why is Ben no longer part of the running offense? Did he have some injury we are unaware of? Had some prior JMU football players in front of me asking the same thing. Ben's always been a good runner - why did it leave the offense? The few times he does run the ball he shy's away from hits and head out of bounds. That is not the Ben I know. His final run on a 4th and 6 he lowed his pads and picked up the key first down. Why was his running not part of the offense the rest of the games or prior games?

Ben had a really good year, and led us to be the dominant team we were. He earned and deserved the CAA offensive POY, but the 4th quarter was a step back to his past.

Officiating

I never go here, but the difference in the calls (by I think the same ref) on interference were maddening. I'm questioning if he had money on the game. There was some blatant ones by us in the first half I did not have an issue with, but the second half - what the heck?

Maybe they were not calling holding on either team, but I saw some major holds by them on big plays not called. As I said, I've not gone back and watched on TV, but in person it looked like they had someone holding big time on Trey's last 44 yard TD.

Credit again to NDSU


They made a ton of plays on 3rd and long, and 4th downs. We didn't and we did not stop them.

Streamers

The staff at the game did not care about streamers as seemed the case to me two years ago. Obviously don't display you have them coming in, but there were 1,000s of streamers there and no one seemed to care.

Fabulous Frisco

My feelings have not changed from before. Even if we to go again next year, can't see dropping another $2,000 + to go. Who knows, but right now I can't see investing that money to go back to the same place for a FCS game.

Next year

While we have a lot coming back, I'm not sure we've ever lost more to graduation in a single year. As other's have said, put NDSU in another category. This is likely the least optimistic I've felt for an upcoming year since Houston's first year. I'm not sure winning the CAA is a lock as I've thought the last three years. I'm not sure we're a top 6 team. Reason's for concern:
1) As I said we've never lost more to graduation
2) I don't think our high school recruiting was as strong this year
3) With the dominant performances we had, I don't think we utilized some of the easy wins to invest in the returning players enough - especially with our defensive front. I realize there was a drop off on the 2nd teamers, but we should of invested in them more as NDSU did, and we have done in the past. We'll see how prepared they are next year once they have to play.
4) We have no idea who the QB will be
5) We lost three great receivers & blockers in Polk, & the Stapletons.

We have some real studs returning next year, and hopefully some key transfers but I see a significant drop off for us next year. Does not fell like a reload.

2019 was a great year for JMU football. I feel we left something on the table, but we were easily 2nd best. If not for one player we would of easily been the best.

I can't imagine anything that could excitement me more in JMU FCS football than an announcement we are going FBS. JMU FCS football excitement continues to diminish each year. Still like it a lot. I would never miss watching a game, but FCS and lack of what I feel is a rival.....

The holding call against tutt on the long 3rd down td run was a bad miss.

Reminded me of the call they got against domo in 2016. Except this was a way more blatant hold they got away with.

Was not a game changer in of itself, but they make that call and we likely hold them to a punt or a very long fg attempt and it’s 21-13 at start of fourt and us having ball instead of down 15.
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Next year should definitely be interesting.

I’m we’ve graduated more seniors in one class by numbers before but by talent and importance to the team, I don’t ever recall such heavy losses as this.

If you ranked the best players on the team this year, the first ten or so were probably seniors. That’s a huge loss of talent + experience combined in players.

And after watching us get severely out coached Saturday, the jury is out whether we can outcoach the opposition to frisco with less experience and talent on the field. That’s what makes next season intriguing as well as a little frightening.
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I think the whole North Dakota State fans are cool thing- they were cordial and respectful after the first game- probably the same after this one but why wouldn't they be? We have been a good sparring partner- we've made them work and sweat but they have won each Championship game so of course they are going to be pleasant. What if we had won- I think then you'd see a different side. Of course they are arrogant- they have no reason not to be. They have presided over a dynasty now that spans multiple coaches and groups of players. They walk around like they own Frisco and they should based on how much they have won there. I just think had JMU won you'd hear a lot of the sour grapes stuff where some of those seeds were planted before the game was played- that we take too many transfers, etc.
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(01-13-2020 08:59 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I think the whole North Dakota State fans are cool thing- they were cordial and respectful after the first game- probably the same after this one but why wouldn't they be? We have been a good sparring partner- we've made them work and sweat but they have won each Championship game so of course they are going to be pleasant. What if we had won- I think then you'd see a different side. Of course they are arrogant- they have no reason not to be. They have presided over a dynasty now that spans multiple coaches and groups of players. They walk around like they own Frisco and they should based on how much they have won there. I just think had JMU won you'd hear a lot of the sour grapes stuff where some of those seeds were planted before the game was played- that we take too many transfers, etc.

Completely disagree here in regards to if we had won. I am sure there are some a-hole NDSU fans, but I have yet to meet one and I have interacted with a lot of them since 2016.
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The outcome to the game was disappointing for sure....NDSU was just a tad better than we were on Saturday. I think we were prepared for the run heavy offense, but not quite so QB run heavy where Lance ran the ball 30 times (I think he was running @10 times per game all season). And to be honest the big runs from Lance came off of passing situations when the play broke down. I think this was the first time all season the DL dealt with a QB this big/strong/fast where they did not effectively corral him. We did a poor job keeping him corralled by maintaining rush lanes. Lance was able to escape up the middle.

The fake FG was a great job by their coaching staff to find something on film and take advantage of it.

This was a team loss.......not sure why anyone would want to single out Ben as he played a solid game. The last play call was not the play call I would have made but Polk was open. I am sure Ben would like that one back.....saw him open and tried to lob a dart vs just zipping it over there or leading him. Still the NDSU guy made a nice play and int coming off his man.

I think the team will be just fine next year with the talent on the roster. I find it odd those saying the HS recruiting does not look as good as prior years.....why.....not enough stars for ya......I remind y'all that Latrelle Palmer was a late commit with zero stars and was probably the most impactful freshman on the team. Have a little faith.
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(01-13-2020 08:40 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Next year should definitely be interesting.

I’m we’ve graduated more seniors in one class by numbers before but by talent and importance to the team, I don’t ever recall such heavy losses as this.

If you ranked the best players on the team this year, the first ten or so were probably seniors
. That’s a huge loss of talent + experience combined in players.

And after watching us get severely out coached Saturday, the jury is out whether we can outcoach the opposition to frisco with less experience and talent on the field. That’s what makes next season intriguing as well as a little frightening.
2017 Sr talent was pretty close.

You wouldn’t have Fornadel (2X All CAAA, AA & best OL), Amos (2x All CAA & AA), and Greene (should have been 1st team All CAA) in the top 10? 03-confused
Fornadel and Greene probably have as good a chance as playing on Sundays as anyone graduating now.
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(01-12-2020 03:38 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Is how the admin feels and JMU will always be fcs and can't compete in mbb.

The school has outgrown the admin. I don't think retirements of King and Bourne matter, we are stuck with Alger...

purplehaze, i used to think your brought some value to the board. we get it, you think we should be fbs and are frustrated with bourne and co.

i agree, a number of years ago, the admin hinted that a move to fbs was immenient, but has not happened. have you looked around? the landscape has changed and those that made the jump have struggled and we have excelled. we just had 3 games on espn, 1 on national abc and played for a championship. we have played for the championship 3 or 4 years. who in g5 has had a better 4 years? maybe app? even that is debateable. many reasonable minds believe we are in the right place and the admin made the right decision. you dont. get over it. we are fcs until the landscape changes. NDSU, odu, umass, coastal, uconn, ga southern, etc, etc, believe JMU made the right descion and wish they had done the same. the fbs movers are in a garbage spot, why dont you go root for one of them.
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1) I would of run Palmer at the three with 7 seconds to go with timeouts in hand.
- i have heard this, but i dont like that. i could envision, palmer getting to the 1, struggling for yards, NDSU defenders holding him up as the clock expires and the refs hold their whistle. same play happened at akron years ago. on first, i would have thrown a jump ball to riley or a slant to polk. if that play fails, you have time and have palmer run it on the next play.

the killer was we had the ball at the 17 with 38 seconds, by the time we ran a play, we had 17 seconds left. 21 seconds for 1 play. should have called a timeout. 2nd. we had the ball at the 48 with 228 left and 2 timeouts. no reason we should have run out of time at the end.

2) I would of gone for 2 on the first TD, so I knew if I would need 1 or 2 more possessions.
- wrong move. you always save the 2 point conversion to the end. if we miss the 2 on the first possession, you essentially are out of the game with the time that remained.

3) In the 2nd quarter I would of gone for the 4th and 7, especially after Ethan missed the first attempt.
- ethan made the first attempt. he hit the upright on the second. i am fine with the fg in that spot. what is the conversion rate on 4th and 7, 30%?. what is ethan's % from 39 yards? 50% +. he was 80% on the year for fgs. sure, easy to say we should have gone, given he missed, but you have to take the 3 there.
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(01-13-2020 09:21 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 08:59 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I think the whole North Dakota State fans are cool thing- they were cordial and respectful after the first game- probably the same after this one but why wouldn't they be? We have been a good sparring partner- we've made them work and sweat but they have won each Championship game so of course they are going to be pleasant. What if we had won- I think then you'd see a different side. Of course they are arrogant- they have no reason not to be. They have presided over a dynasty now that spans multiple coaches and groups of players. They walk around like they own Frisco and they should based on how much they have won there. I just think had JMU won you'd hear a lot of the sour grapes stuff where some of those seeds were planted before the game was played- that we take too many transfers, etc.

Completely disagree here in regards to if we had won. I am sure there are some a-hole NDSU fans, but I have yet to meet one and I have interacted with a lot of them since 2016.

Yeah they had the one dbag come on here post game but that’s one guy. They have a lot of bad ones on twitter but so do we and so does everyone. Everything I experienced this weekend was two fanbases that know how to have a lot of fun with each other without being a-holes. Maybe they would’ve acted differently after a loss, but a lot of teams would’ve been throwing their win in our faces.
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(01-13-2020 10:07 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  1) I would of run Palmer at the three with 7 seconds to go with timeouts in hand.
- i have heard this, but i dont like that. i could envision, palmer getting to the 1, struggling for yards, NDSU defenders holding him up as the clock expires and the refs hold their whistle. same play happened at akron years ago. on first, i would have thrown a jump ball to riley or a slant to polk. if that play fails, you have time and have palmer run it on the next play.

the killer was we had the ball at the 17 with 38 seconds, by the time we ran a play, we had 17 seconds left. 21 seconds for 1 play. should have called a timeout. 2nd. we had the ball at the 48 with 228 left and 2 timeouts. no reason we should have run out of time at the end.

2) I would of gone for 2 on the first TD, so I knew if I would need 1 or 2 more possessions.
- wrong move. you always save the 2 point conversion to the end. if we miss the 2 on the first possession, you essentially are out of the game with the time that remained.

3) In the 2nd quarter I would of gone for the 4th and 7, especially after Ethan missed the first attempt.
- ethan made the first attempt. he hit the upright on the second. i am fine with the fg in that spot. what is the conversion rate on 4th and 7, 30%?. what is ethan's % from 39 yards? 50% +. he was 80% on the year for fgs. sure, easy to say we should have gone, given he missed, but you have to take the 3 there.

Really disagree on 2. If you go for it on the first and miss you’re essentially out of the game... If you go for it on the second and miss there’s no ‘essentially’, the game is over. Go for the first one, if you don’t get it then it’s time to decide whether or not an onside kick is needed.
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(01-13-2020 09:27 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  The outcome to the game was disappointing for sure....NDSU was just a tad better than we were on Saturday. I think we were prepared for the run heavy offense, but not quite so QB run heavy where Lance ran the ball 30 times (I think he was running @10 times per game all season). And to be honest the big runs from Lance came off of passing situations when the play broke down. I think this was the first time all season the DL dealt with a QB this big/strong/fast where they did not effectively corral him. We did a poor job keeping him corralled by maintaining rush lanes. Lance was able to escape up the middle.

The fake FG was a great job by their coaching staff to find something on film and take advantage of it.

This was a team loss.......not sure why anyone would want to single out Ben as he played a solid game. The last play call was not the play call I would have made but Polk was open. I am sure Ben would like that one back.....saw him open and tried to lob a dart vs just zipping it over there or leading him. Still the NDSU guy made a nice play and int coming off his man.

I think the team will be just fine next year with the talent on the roster. I find it odd those saying the HS recruiting does not look as good as prior years.....why.....not enough stars for ya......I remind y'all that Latrelle Palmer was a late commit with zero stars and was probably the most impactful freshman on the team. Have a little faith.

Doesn't happen all the time ha, but I'm completely with Shady here.
WHAT in the world makes anyone think recruiting isn't there? Latrelle and Jalen Green alone were huge finds and we basically redshirted everyone else. No doubt we're graduating a lot of talent, but it's also that it finally feels like aside from Amos and maybe Fornadel it just feels bigger because it's the last of the big names from this incredible four-year run.

But there are some really core pieces coming back and the Dukes will be super strong up the middle on both sides. Not saying it'll be easy, but I'd much rather be replacing skill players with JMU's track record in that regard than up the middle.

For example, a healthy Ukwu (who looked like a star in the making before the injury) and Jalen Green getting bigger are going to look pretty darn good making up for sacks and TFL's we're losing from Carter/Daka with Mike Greene and Adeeb clogging everything up again. Plus word is there's a P5 transfer on the way on DL even if I don't pencil those in till I see them in uniform and in class. Maybe Colclough can give us something here too?

Azanama had already supplanted Word as LB2 this year but finding his running mate will be the most important thing on the roster for next year imo. Amos and MJ Hampton will be a big help to whoever is playing CB next year even if I worry a little about McCormick and Carroll. Even worrying about them though, those two are experienced players at this point. Wonder if there's any chance Austin Douglas actually plays DB next year too?

The running game brings back the entire backfield plus the best player on the team in front of them in Fornadel along with Truvell Wilson and hopefully some combination of Bethea, Gillespie (not sure if we've heard if he's really coming back), Fishpaw, Timming (who's played a bit), and Kidwell plus maybe something from the UConn transfer. Painter at TE is also a very strong blocker and hopefully continues to develop as a receiver.

WR will be another big need, but Dean and Brown have certainly played a lot of football for the Dukes. Hopefully we see 2018 Dean again. Adu played well when he had opportunities this year and we know we have the UMass transfer there too.

Oh yeah, and all the specialists (Harry, Ratke, Amos, Davis, and Miller are all back) so we don't have to worry about unknowns there. (No accounting for the way we coach specials though ha).

Finally, I grew to love DiNucci, and he played great enough to get us to Frisco this year. I'll defend him forever at this point. But I also can't say I really believe that CoJo, Gage, or QB-TBD is going to be the difference that sinks us. If anything, it will be not having weapons at WR and everyone just stacking the box that hurts the next starter till they prove otherwise more than some talent difference.

Anyhow, proud to be a Duke and it'll be fun next year. If we beat Delaware Week 1, only the UNC game is an L and only the Villanova game scares me on the schedule at this point.

Oh yeah, I also just really hope we can keep Hetherman around.
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(01-13-2020 10:11 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 10:07 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  1) I would of run Palmer at the three with 7 seconds to go with timeouts in hand.
- i have heard this, but i dont like that. i could envision, palmer getting to the 1, struggling for yards, NDSU defenders holding him up as the clock expires and the refs hold their whistle. same play happened at akron years ago. on first, i would have thrown a jump ball to riley or a slant to polk. if that play fails, you have time and have palmer run it on the next play.

the killer was we had the ball at the 17 with 38 seconds, by the time we ran a play, we had 17 seconds left. 21 seconds for 1 play. should have called a timeout. 2nd. we had the ball at the 48 with 228 left and 2 timeouts. no reason we should have run out of time at the end.

2) I would of gone for 2 on the first TD, so I knew if I would need 1 or 2 more possessions.
- wrong move. you always save the 2 point conversion to the end. if we miss the 2 on the first possession, you essentially are out of the game with the time that remained.

3) In the 2nd quarter I would of gone for the 4th and 7, especially after Ethan missed the first attempt.
- ethan made the first attempt. he hit the upright on the second. i am fine with the fg in that spot. what is the conversion rate on 4th and 7, 30%?. what is ethan's % from 39 yards? 50% +. he was 80% on the year for fgs. sure, easy to say we should have gone, given he missed, but you have to take the 3 there.

Really disagree on 2. If you go for it on the first and miss you’re essentially out of the game... If you go for it on the second and miss there’s no ‘essentially’, the game is over. Go for the first one, if you don’t get it then it’s time to decide whether or not an onside kick is needed.

if you miss the 2 point conversion on the 2nd touchdown, you can still onside kick.

if you miss the 2 point conversion on the first td, being down 9, your team is mentally defeated. sure, you can onside, but the conversion rate is 15% and now they have the ball at your 50. game over. you never go for 2 until you have to.
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1) Trey effin Lance. What an Athlete. Why on earth is a talent like that playing FCS football?

2) NDSU is built to win championships. Most of us have watched them over the course of the season and they didn't look like anything special. My take is they basically coast though the regular season, do the minimum required the advance through the playoffs and come January they open the playbook and go to work. It was like watching a team we haven't seen all season.

3) We run the ball first down pretty much every series. Did the coaches not realize we had a TO remaining?

4) We didn't "respect" Trey Lance and his line and they made us pay.

5) Maybe we were outcoached but maybe it was more lack of coaching experience in a championship game. Has out coaching staff ever have to manage time?

6) For the foreseeable future NDSU is the team to beat. They are recruiting at a whole different level than anyone in FCS.
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