(01-17-2020 04:22 AM)TribeFan1983 Wrote:  Scott had two ugly turnovers down the stretch. On one of them, he slowed to argue with the ref instead of hustling for the loose ball. I'd like to see Ayesa take some minutes away from him.

I liked Hermanovskis yesterday. I think he can be a solid point guard for us especially if he continues to hit the gym and weight room.

I think Scott is showing his limitations consistently, and I don't see that as being rusty or anything like that. Same thing happened last year. I wish he had Loewe's mentality.

Drexel game scheduled to be aired on CAA-TV at 2:00 PM on Saturday.

At Dane's luncheon at Anna's this past Tuesday he and Mike Howland spent more than fifteen minutes detailing the staff and team's individual game preparation. They prepare the team for a particular game with opposing team analysis, opposing player by player breakdown and the Tribe's defensive plan. W&M players are told beforehand what they might expect...barring foul problems...in minutes played. Coach Howland handles
the actual game substitutions.

The meticulous defensive preparation, and the detail behind it, are, at least to me and I'm certain to the Tribe fans in the room at Anna's,
is an obvious reason for our success. I have never, frankly, seen such a passionate dedication to defense...switching, spacing and energy...
displayed by any Tribe team in memory.

The team has bought in 100%. They play team basketball. And, as others have pointed out, they reflect the calmness and focus of this coaching staff.

For heavens sake, this team is now 14-5 and 6-0 in the CAA...while playing 13 road games involving over 14,000 travel miles. Nobody could
have predicted this, especially considering the circumstances of a new coaching staff, a depleted roster shortened with major defections, and the assembly of a new team in just a few months.

Kudos to the players and coaching staff.

I think you guys are being a little tough on Scott. The timing of some of his gaffes make it seem worse than when you look at his overall production. He is a very important piece of the lineup. I think if he cleans some things up, he will be even better.
The most important stat is that the Tribe are 10-0 with him in the lineup.
Thornton Scott's numbers:
9.1 ppg (41% Fg /43% 3fg)
4.5 assists per game
2.8 TOs (1.61 AST ratio)
Even though AST isn't the best metric of PG play, that is not a bad assist to turnover ratio.
Thornton ranks on the team:
PPG - 4th, Rebounds - 3rd, Assists - 1st, TO's - 1st, 3fg% - 2nd
Outside of our big two, Scott is tops or 2nd in almost every category. He's had some bone head plays and a couple stinker games, but I also think that he has hit some of the more clutch shots on the season and impacted games in a good way.

(01-17-2020 07:21 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I think you guys are being a little tough on Scott. The timing of some of his gaffes make it seem worse than when you look at his overall production. He is a very important piece of the lineup. I think if he cleans some things up, he will be even better.
The most important stat is that the Tribe are 10-0 with him in the lineup.
Thornton Scott's numbers:
9.1 ppg (41% Fg /43% 3fg)
4.5 assists per game
2.8 TOs (1.61 AST ratio)
Even though AST isn't the best metric of PG play, that is not a bad assist to turnover ratio.
Thornton ranks on the team:
PPG - 4th, Rebounds - 3rd, Assists - 1st, TO's - 1st, 3fg% - 2nd
Outside of our big two, Scott is tops or 2nd in almost every category. He's had some bone head plays and a couple stinker games, but I also think that he has hit some of the more clutch shots on the season and impacted games in a good way.

Couldn’t agree more MrJ. I guarantee his teammates want him on the floor as much as possible. He has the best eyes on our team and gives us 5-10 points a night from assists that other guys can’t make. Also his deep range stretches the floor in a way probably only Andy (except for last night!) can rival. Yes there is the occasional bone-headed play, and I think his immaturity shines through at times, but we need Scott on the floor.


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I want him in the lineup too, but he needs to stay focused and not throw the ball away. More grit and less bravado is all I want. If he does that, he can be deadly. Then maybe he can do a behind the back pass and I won't worry that it was just for show.

(01-17-2020 08:18 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  I want him in the lineup too, but he needs to stay focused and not throw the ball away. More grit and less bravado is all I want. If he does that, he can be deadly. Then maybe he can do a behind the back pass and I won't worry that it was just for show.

He needs to clean things up, no doubt. But, he is far from the only guilty party throwing the ball away. It's also a byproduct of having the ball in your hands the most as a PG. Just behind Scott's 2.8 average is Andy at 2.5 and Nate at 2.3 TOs per game. That accounts for more than half of the team's average. TOs are trending in the right direction though. Last I checked, we were in the 15 TO/game range. Following single digit games vs CofC and UD, we are averaging 12.9 per game. That puts us in the neighborhood of all the top teams in the CAA. (UD - 12.8, Hof - 12.1, NE - 12.7, CofC - 11.7)

(01-17-2020 08:09 AM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  Couldn’t agree more MrJ. I guarantee his teammates want him on the floor as much as possible. He has the best eyes on our team and gives us 5-10 points a night from assists that other guys can’t make. Also his deep range stretches the floor in a way probably only Andy (except for last night!) can rival. Yes there is the occasional bone-headed play, and I think his immaturity shines through at times, but we need Scott on the floor.


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I will defend Thornton, a bit, on some of his turnovers, that look terrible, but, if you go back and watch replays, you see that there was more involved than just a thoughtless pass.

It is often said, of the top point guards of all time, that they see the entire floor, knowing where every teammate is. It is also said the elite point guards also see all the defensive players, as well and their brain can figure where the best options are. Not saying Thornton is an elite point guard (yet), but he does have great court vision and, sometimes, he sees potential plays, that his teammates don't always see and that, sometimes, results in a play that looks worse than it really was.

An example: First half of the Northeastern game, Nate is at his usual favorite spot, top of the lane, right elbow. He has gotten his defender on his left hip and, if he pivots to his right, he has a clear lane to a dunk. Thornton sees this and, for whatever reason, he sees Nate twitch right or thinks he has made eye contact, he dumps a pass into the lane that Nate would be able to handle and control for the score. Unfortunately, Nate doesn't make the move and Thornton's soft pass goes to not one, but two Huskies, fighting for the steal. It looked bad, but could have been an "Oh, wow" play.

I think that Thornton will be a better point guard the longer he plays with his teammates and understands their tendencies. He clearly has great court vision, but also still has tendencies to get lazy with an occasional pass and a tendency to send one into Row 4 of the bleachers (although that aspect has definitely calmed down).

I think we need Scott and Ayesa on the floor at the same time, in some situations, along with Luke, Nate and VV, because those two are clearly the most dangerous outside shooters and can open up the floor for the Twin Towers better than any of our other combinations. I would have liked that combo late in last night's game, when Delaware was making it's run.

So, overall, I'm in the let's be patient with him crowd.

(01-17-2020 09:49 AM)billymac Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 08:09 AM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  Couldn’t agree more MrJ. I guarantee his teammates want him on the floor as much as possible. He has the best eyes on our team and gives us 5-10 points a night from assists that other guys can’t make. Also his deep range stretches the floor in a way probably only Andy (except for last night!) can rival. Yes there is the occasional bone-headed play, and I think his immaturity shines through at times, but we need Scott on the floor.


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I will defend Thornton, a bit, on some of his turnovers, that look terrible, but, if you go back and watch replays, you see that there was more involved than just a thoughtless pass.

It is often said, of the top point guards of all time, that they see the entire floor, knowing where every teammate is. It is also said the elite point guards also see all the defensive players, as well and their brain can figure where the best options are. Not saying Thornton is an elite point guard (yet), but he does have great court vision and, sometimes, he sees potential plays, that his teammates don't always see.

An example: First half of the Northeastern game, Nate is at his usual favorite spot, top of the lane, right elbow. He has gotten his defender on his left hip and, if he pivots to his right, he has a clear lane to a dunk. Thornton sees this and, for whatever reason, he sees Nate twitch right or thinks he has made eye contact, he dumps a pass into the lane that Nate would be able to handle and control for the score. Unfortunately, Nate doesn't make the move and Thornton's soft pass goes to not one, but two Huskies, fighting for the steal. It looked bad, but could have been an "Oh, wow" play.

I think that Thornton will be a better point guard the longer he plays with his teammates and understands their tendencies. He clearly has great court vision, but also still has tendencies to get lazy with an occasional pass and a tendency to send one into Row 4 of the bleachers (although that aspect has definitely calmed down).

I think we need Scott and Ayesa on the floor at the same time, in some situations, along with Luke, Nate and VV, because those two are clearly the most dangerous outside shooters and can open up the floor for the Twin Towers better than any of our other combinations. I would have liked that combo late in last night's game, when Delaware was making it's run.

So, overall, I'm in the let's be patient with him crowd.

I believe Dane will put on the court who he trusts and believes in,not who any of us rocking chair wanna be coaches want. He could care less about us !!!

How much could he care less? A lot? A little?

Or, he COULDN'T care less? Would he care more if we didn't sit in a rocking chair? I sit in a layback chair that rocks just a little...do I have Dane's ear, just a little bit?

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(01-17-2020 11:01 AM)Tribal Wrote:  How much could he care less? A lot? A little?

Or, he COULDN'T care less? Would he care more if we didn't sit in a rocking chair? I sit in a layback chair that rocks just a little...do I have Dane's ear, just a little bit?

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Tribal, you just made me laugh. EVERY person that I ever hear on TV who uses the phrase ALWAYS says it wrong, and I find myself yelling at the TV as if they can hear me.

Eh, I kinda think it works both ways, if you take 'I could care less' as sarcasm

Knight had 7 offensive rebounds (50% of his total). Far outside his norm. Could be flukey of course, but wondering if he changed his approach or if Delaware did something different on defense / box-outs. I don’t recall noticing anything while watching the game. Except that he probably collected at least 3 of those on put-backs of his own missed closeup shots, which is certainly not something he needs to repeat every game!


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