I forgot to add: Kudos to NDSU for not biting. They covered it well & deserve credit even if it was extremely predictable (my opinion).

I’m not sure what you think I’m arguing for or against, but I don’t think we’re disagreeing. Wondering what the “get real” is about. I was saying it worked the first drive where they showed the look. It worked meaning they were driving effectively and scored to end that drive.

(01-11-2020 10:31 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 10:27 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  I thought Entz was just a scruffy bearded redneck?

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He is!

Doesn't say much for our coaching staff to be outcoached by a scruffy-bearded redneck, does it?

That may be true. It could also mean Entz and Co. aren't as dumb as they look.

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(01-11-2020 08:27 PM)JMUETC Wrote:  The post title is correct but for many many other reasons.

I’d say additional reasons.

We flat got away from what we do, even though what we do worked like it’s been working.

What’s with all the laterals, trickeration , throwing into coverage, blown D assignments, Ole tackling?

So many issues it’s hard to put them all together, feel bad for the guys that will go out like that. They’re a better squad than what showed up today.

(01-11-2020 11:28 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 10:31 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 10:27 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  I thought Entz was just a scruffy bearded redneck?

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He is!

Doesn't say much for our coaching staff to be outcoached by a scruffy-bearded redneck, does it?

That may be true. It could also mean Entz and Co. aren't as dumb as they look.

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Relax.

We’ve got more than our share of scruffy bearded rednecks as well.

Not sure anyone said dumb though.

(01-11-2020 11:52 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 11:28 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 10:31 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 10:27 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  I thought Entz was just a scruffy bearded redneck?

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He is!

Doesn't say much for our coaching staff to be outcoached by a scruffy-bearded redneck, does it?

That may be true. It could also mean Entz and Co. aren't as dumb as they look.

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Relax.

We’ve got more than our share of scruffy bearded rednecks as well.

Not sure anyone said dumb though.

Purple can chime in, but he smacks (which is fine by me on your board) and dumb was implied when he called him that. But you are correct, rednecks are everywhere and often smarter than most.

To be honest, I had some concern as well about the competency of the new coaching staff, just like when we went from Bohl to Klieman. Changing to an unknown is always a concern.

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-38 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake reverse. Big play #1
-20 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake FG. Big play #2. The beginning of that drive, 2nd and 20 at the NDSU 9, Carter drops Lance for a yard loss but gets a facemask penalty. So instead of 3rd and 21 its at the NDSU 8, its a 1st and 10 at the 25. 4 more 1st downs, then the fake FG.
-44 yd TD run 4th qtr QB by Lance on a 3rd and 23. Big play #3.

Poor clock management on the last drive, followed by a very dumb call. Down by 8, 8 seconds left, 1st and goal at the 3, 1 timeout left, been running the ball well, and you have a 230 lb battering ram at RB. With the timeout left you have 2 plays left period. Run the damn ball. At least 50%-60% chance you score a TD there. If you don’t call the TO. If you’re at the 1 or 2 can run it again. Still at the 3 maybe pass it. But doing the pass play was DUMB. This ranks right up there with App St 2007 in dumb call lore. Heck, an RPO wouldn’t have been as bad. Don’t put the blame what happened at the end on Dinucci. Its all on Cignetti/Montgomery.

JMU lost the game because NDSU made the 3 biggest plays of the game, and horrendous clock management and play calling at the end.

(01-12-2020 01:52 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  -38 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake reverse. Big play #1
-20 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake FG. Big play #2. The beginning of that drive, 2nd and 20 at the NDSU 9, Carter drops Lance for a yard loss but gets a facemask penalty. So instead of 3rd and 21 its at the NDSU 8, its a 1st and 10 at the 25. 4 more 1st downs, then the fake FG.
-44 yd TD run 4th qtr QB by Lance on a 3rd and 23. Big play #3.

Poor clock management on the last drive, followed by a very dumb call. Down by 8, 8 seconds left, 1st and goal at the 3, 1 timeout left, been running the ball well, and you have a 230 lb battering ram at RB. With the timeout left you have 2 plays left period. Run the damn ball. At least 50%-60% chance you score a TD there. If you don’t call the TO. If you’re at the 1 or 2 can run it again. Still at the 3 maybe pass it. But doing the pass play was DUMB. This ranks right up there with App St 2007 in dumb call lore. Heck, an RPO wouldn’t have been as bad. Don’t put the blame what happened at the end on Dinucci. Its all on Cignetti/Montgomery.

JMU lost the game because NDSU made the 3 biggest plays of the game, and horrendous clock management and play calling at the end.

I agree. Good summation.

(01-12-2020 01:52 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  -38 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake reverse. Big play #1
-20 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake FG. Big play #2. The beginning of that drive, 2nd and 20 at the NDSU 9, Carter drops Lance for a yard loss but gets a facemask penalty. So instead of 3rd and 21 its at the NDSU 8, its a 1st and 10 at the 25. 4 more 1st downs, then the fake FG.
-44 yd TD run 4th qtr QB by Lance on a 3rd and 23. Big play #3.

JMU lost the game because NDSU made the 3 biggest plays of the game, and horrendous clock management and play calling at the end.

Bingo! With the sting of losing we all walked away thinking we were blown out of the water and we weren’t. We were on the goal line knocking at the door to tie this thing up despite all that seems to have gone wrong. Yes they got the stat that matters and got the big W, but if you look at the rest of the team stats we’re right there or better yesterday. They got us on a fake FG and QB running for a long TD that I’ll still maintain we’re sprung by key obvious holds not called. Those plays and the face mask penalty were back breakers. Add in a few other blown calls, our steady kicker getting iced and doinking one and today we’re singing a much different tune. Much to appreciate from this season, hopefully the kids take something from the game and use it as motivation to get right back here next year.

(01-12-2020 01:52 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  -38 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake reverse. Big play #1
-20 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake FG. Big play #2. The beginning of that drive, 2nd and 20 at the NDSU 9, Carter drops Lance for a yard loss but gets a facemask penalty. So instead of 3rd and 21 its at the NDSU 8, its a 1st and 10 at the 25. 4 more 1st downs, then the fake FG.
-44 yd TD run 4th qtr QB by Lance on a 3rd and 23. Big play #3.

Poor clock management on the last drive, followed by a very dumb call. Down by 8, 8 seconds left, 1st and goal at the 3, 1 timeout left, been running the ball well, and you have a 230 lb battering ram at RB. With the timeout left you have 2 plays left period. Run the damn ball. At least 50%-60% chance you score a TD there. If you don’t call the TO. If you’re at the 1 or 2 can run it again. Still at the 3 maybe pass it. But doing the pass play was DUMB. This ranks right up there with App St 2007 in dumb call lore. Heck, an RPO wouldn’t have been as bad. Don’t put the blame what happened at the end on Dinucci. Its all on Cignetti/Montgomery.

JMU lost the game because NDSU made the 3 biggest plays of the game, and horrendous clock management and play calling at the end.

Agree 100%

(01-12-2020 01:52 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  -38 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake reverse. Big play #1
-20 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake FG. Big play #2. The beginning of that drive, 2nd and 20 at the NDSU 9, Carter drops Lance for a yard loss but gets a facemask penalty. So instead of 3rd and 21 its at the NDSU 8, its a 1st and 10 at the 25. 4 more 1st downs, then the fake FG.
-44 yd TD run 4th qtr QB by Lance on a 3rd and 23. Big play #3.

Poor clock management on the last drive, followed by a very dumb call. Down by 8, 8 seconds left, 1st and goal at the 3, 1 timeout left, been running the ball well, and you have a 230 lb battering ram at RB. With the timeout left you have 2 plays left period. Run the damn ball. At least 50%-60% chance you score a TD there. If you don’t call the TO. If you’re at the 1 or 2 can run it again. Still at the 3 maybe pass it. But doing the pass play was DUMB. This ranks right up there with App St 2007 in dumb call lore. Heck, an RPO wouldn’t have been as bad. Don’t put the blame what happened at the end on Dinucci. Its all on Cignetti/Montgomery.

JMU lost the game because NDSU made the 3 biggest plays of the game, and horrendous clock management and play calling at the end.

Agree. Just read in the RTD online that we were in man to man defense on the third and 23. I do not get that. No just for the pass defense aspect but for the obvious QB run.
Congrats to NDSU. They made they plays and scored touchdowns and stopped us in the red zone again.

JMU's wrinkles during the 3 weeks off were the dual QB offensive set which didn't work and N Dakota States wrinkles were the fake reverse and the fake FG which worked.

JMU should have stuck to the advantages that they had all game through the end- Palmer running and passing to Stapleton. These were mismatches they should have continued to exploit instead of trying to force the ball to Polk in the flat across the field by the goal line (when you still had a timeout in hand).

This thread title is the right answer.

Lots of deserved praise for Lance in the other threads, and he’s a great player. However, one guy doesn’t make a football team unbeatable. We let him score on a 3rd and 23 because the linebackers were playing man and following dudes on five yards drag routes instead of just spying the QB and forcing him to gain less than the first down.

Fake field goal is where we got really out coached. Not sure if anybody linked this article yet

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone...ng-to-2003

Read the quotes from the two coaches. One coach says his team exploited something they saw on film, the other coach says his guys “didn’t do their job.”

That single quote is the least I’ve ever been impressed with our head coach. That’s a lame thing to say about your guys after they lose a title game. Bad leadership.

(01-12-2020 08:46 AM)Dukesfan1971 Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 01:52 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  -38 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake reverse. Big play #1
-20 yd TD run 2nd qtr off a fake FG. Big play #2. The beginning of that drive, 2nd and 20 at the NDSU 9, Carter drops Lance for a yard loss but gets a facemask penalty. So instead of 3rd and 21 its at the NDSU 8, its a 1st and 10 at the 25. 4 more 1st downs, then the fake FG.
-44 yd TD run 4th qtr QB by Lance on a 3rd and 23. Big play #3.

Poor clock management on the last drive, followed by a very dumb call. Down by 8, 8 seconds left, 1st and goal at the 3, 1 timeout left, been running the ball well, and you have a 230 lb battering ram at RB. With the timeout left you have 2 plays left period. Run the damn ball. At least 50%-60% chance you score a TD there. If you don’t call the TO. If you’re at the 1 or 2 can run it again. Still at the 3 maybe pass it. But doing the pass play was DUMB. This ranks right up there with App St 2007 in dumb call lore. Heck, an RPO wouldn’t have been as bad. Don’t put the blame what happened at the end on Dinucci. Its all on Cignetti/Montgomery.

JMU lost the game because NDSU made the 3 biggest plays of the game, and horrendous clock management and play calling at the end.

Agree. Just read in the RTD online that we were in man to man defense on the third and 23. I do not get that. No just for the pass defense aspect but for the obvious QB run.
Congrats to NDSU. They made they plays and scored touchdowns and stopped us in the red zone again.

Yes! Thank you for pointing this out, because I made note at the time that man-to-man on a third and 23 with a running QB was exactly the wrong call. JMU absolutely should have been in a zone. Another poor coaching decision.

Our entire section was screaming to watch for the fake on the FG. It was an obvious situation for it. Should have been in a base defense and if the kid can hit a 40 yarder in that weather, tip your cap to him. That was the biggest disappointment to me. It was so obvious.

(01-11-2020 09:14 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  Was Polk blanketed by the NDSU DBs the entire game for those in attendance at the game?

Couldn't really tell watching game on the TV. Definitely had two guys on him or near him when DiNucci tried to hit him to make it a 2 point game at the end of regulation.

Every time I looked at Polk they had one within 5-10 yards then had help deep on him.

Overall, yep, we were out coached and that was about the last thing I was worried about. Cignetti went scared super conservative against WVU and again yesterday. The rest of the year he was great and we could’ve beaten both of those teams if we just play our game the way we did all year. I hope he learns from those mistakes instead of making the same mistakes over and over and over and over like Mickey Matthews.

3rd and 15 we run it up the middle. 3rd and 8 we run it up the middle. Lining up for a field goal with a bad kicker we aren’t ready for a fake. 3rd and 23 we let Lance get free. Dual quarterback flag football nonsense that never works in tackle football. 8 seconds left with a timeout on the 3, give it to Palmer or Percy and we get two shots at it unless they fumble. Instead we run both Stapleton and Polk to the same side of the end zone and have DiNucci throw the ball all the way across the field. Nothing Polk or DiNucci could really do if that’s the play. Ridiculous.

(01-12-2020 09:56 AM)91Alum Wrote:  Our entire section was screaming to watch for the fake on the FG. It was an obvious situation for it. Should have been in a base defense and if the kid can hit a 40 yarder in that weather, tip your cap to him. That was the biggest disappointment to me. It was so obvious.

My friend who was watching the game texted me "I saw that fake coming all the way from Boston."

Ray Charles saw that fake coming.

Everyone claims to see the fake coming in hindsight. NDSU hasn't run a fake field goal in like 6 years.

(01-12-2020 11:08 AM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  Everyone claims to see the fake coming in hindsight. NDSU hasn't run a fake field goal in like 6 years.

I literally called it as your kicker was trotting on to the field, but ok. Your kicker doesn’t have good length in your dome, nevertheless on a slick field in cold temps. The fact that we didn’t at least have a safety ready is a complete botch on our coaching staff and is quite frankly inexcusable.

(01-12-2020 11:26 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  

(01-12-2020 11:08 AM)WeAreThePride Wrote:  Everyone claims to see the fake coming in hindsight. NDSU hasn't run a fake field goal in like 6 years.

I literally called it as your kicker was trotting on to the field, but ok. Your kicker doesn’t have good length in your dome, nevertheless on a slick field in cold temps. The fact that we didn’t at least have a safety ready is a complete botch on our coaching staff and is quite frankly inexcusable.

You claim that, but I don't believe you. Unless you call a fake every time an opposing team puts its FG unit on the field.