(01-19-2020 05:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 04:54 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 12:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 07:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  It seems more like they are fine with the TV deal, but that they aren't happy with the idea of changing things in the next renegotiation. I think it will be a contentious business as usual as long as they still have their sweetheart deal (6 years?).

Yeah, this is just Boise saying "uh, hell no!" to the MWC suggesting this is the last time their deal is negotiated separately. The MWC needs Boise and will cave. Not much to get excited about here.

If you read the contract the MWC will either cave or get their butts handed to them in court. The MW has no real legal basis for unilaterally ending the Boise special deal.

Or if BSU takes them to court, 3/4 of the schools will vote them out. Seems like that more than 3/4 of the schools are ready to end BSU special treatment.
BSU has a different president and AD when the deal was made. By the time for the new contract in 5 years, BSU will have a different president and AD.

In reality Boise State is creating most of the value with the mwc deal. They have a bit of leverage.

Sure, but we aren’t talking Texas money. Getting $3 million vs $3.9 million is not much of a loss in the overall budget. Good trade off for get more equity for all schools.

(01-19-2020 07:58 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 02:24 AM)Crayton Wrote:  BYU-Boise-Gonzaga and a few other athletic directors meet at an airport, and...

The FBS members can be quasi-independent in football (unless there are 8+ of them). Independence (Top 10) is not much more difficult than G5 (Top 15) in reaching the NY6.

West:
Boise, BYU, Nevada, USU, Gonzaga

East:
UTSA, La Tech, WKU, NMSU, Dayton

I have no idea what I’m doing when it comes to selecting strong basketball programs. I did the idea. Maybe the radio guy wasn’t talking about the AAC at all.

Five team divisions! (Built from...)
Four Mountain West’s
Three CUSAs
Two Basketball Schools
And a Mormon Independent

I was actually singing that in my head.

(01-19-2020 05:28 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 04:54 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 12:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 07:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  It seems more like they are fine with the TV deal, but that they aren't happy with the idea of changing things in the next renegotiation. I think it will be a contentious business as usual as long as they still have their sweetheart deal (6 years?).

Yeah, this is just Boise saying "uh, hell no!" to the MWC suggesting this is the last time their deal is negotiated separately. The MWC needs Boise and will cave. Not much to get excited about here.

If you read the contract the MWC will either cave or get their butts handed to them in court. The MW has no real legal basis for unilaterally ending the Boise special deal.

Or if BSU takes them to court, 3/4 of the schools will vote them out. Seems like that more than 3/4 of the schools are ready to end BSU special treatment.
BSU has a different president and AD when the deal was made. By the time for the new contract in 5 years, BSU will have a different president and AD.

In reality Boise State is creating most of the value with the mwc deal. They have a bit of leverage.

But is Boise the driving force to deliver a triple in value for all other MW conference members?

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I think this only makes sense for Boise if you invite two of their Western friends. Maybe Air Force and Colorado State. Also this benefits the AAC by effectively killing the Mountain West.

I’d love to get BYU but doubt they’d join a non-P5 at this point. My thought then would be to add Boise, AFA and CSU. Get rid of divisions, go to a nine game schedule; each team plays five permanent rivals and then each of the other eight teams in the conference every other season. The MWC would be dead and the gap between the AAC and the rest of the G5 would be cavernous.

(01-20-2020 09:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I think this only makes sense for Boise if you invite two of their Western friends. Maybe Air Force and Colorado State. Also this benefits the AAC by effectively killing the Mountain West.

(01-20-2020 11:33 PM)World Wide Swag Wrote:  I’d love to get BYU but doubt they’d join a non-P5 at this point. My thought then would be to add Boise, AFA and CSU. Get rid of divisions, go to a nine game schedule; each team plays five permanent rivals and then each of the other eight teams in the conference every other season. The MWC would be dead and the gap between the AAC and the rest of the G5 would be cavernous.

Both you dudes get it.

What does Colorado St bring to the table?

(01-20-2020 09:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I think this only makes sense for Boise if you invite two of their Western friends. Maybe Air Force and Colorado State. Also this benefits the AAC by effectively killing the Mountain West.

Adding Boise State would give ESPN 6-7 late games per year with more east coast eyeballs that might stay awake. I'm not buying ESPN is going to pay up for 3 of them though at $7 million or more each.

A huge "if" with ESPN buy-in...

Take SDSU, Boise State, and Colorado State fb only. Their other sports can find a home that makes sense for travel. Add VCU other sports to get to 12.

SDSU seems to be the strongest MWC program considering FB & MBB. I'd think they would be fed up with Boise 's special deal & they'd be a good fit in the AAC.

(01-19-2020 12:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 07:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 08:54 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  BSU exploring options. Not happy with new TV deal.


https://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/co...13553.html

It seems more like they are fine with the TV deal, but that they aren't happy with the idea of changing things in the next renegotiation. I think it will be a contentious business as usual as long as they still have their sweetheart deal (6 years?).

Yeah, this is just Boise saying "uh, hell no!" to the MWC suggesting this is the last time their deal is negotiated separately. The MWC needs Boise and will cave. Not much to get excited about here.

If you read the contract the MWC will either cave or get their butts handed to them in court. The MW has no real legal basis for unilaterally ending the Boise special deal.

Their comment implies that Boise won't get a sweetheart deal on the NEXT contract. They weren't talking about attempting to void/change the one they just signed.

(01-21-2020 07:32 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  What does Colorado St bring to the table?

Geography. Offers a western wing for Olympics, cause a real P6 league has all sports members. CSU also has infrastructure and potential to grow and a relatively close TV market, where I am sure many of their grads live and work. I would take them as part of a western strategy.

(01-21-2020 10:37 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 12:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 07:25 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 02:10 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 08:54 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  BSU exploring options. Not happy with new TV deal.


https://www.idahostatesman.com/sports/co...13553.html

It seems more like they are fine with the TV deal, but that they aren't happy with the idea of changing things in the next renegotiation. I think it will be a contentious business as usual as long as they still have their sweetheart deal (6 years?).

Yeah, this is just Boise saying "uh, hell no!" to the MWC suggesting this is the last time their deal is negotiated separately. The MWC needs Boise and will cave. Not much to get excited about here.

If you read the contract the MWC will either cave or get their butts handed to them in court. The MW has no real legal basis for unilaterally ending the Boise special deal.

Their comment implies that Boise won't get a sweetheart deal on the NEXT contract. They weren't talking about attempting to void/change the one they just signed.

I understand that. My point is the MW cannot ignore the Boise special deal for the next tv contract just because they feel its time to dispense with the special Boise provision. If you read the Boise term sheet from 2012--the "special Boise deal" overrides anything in the current bylaws, articles of incorporation, or any future votes or bylaws. Its forever. Its now basically part of the MW bylaws and cannot be altered without Boise's consent. Thus, it only ends when Boise leaves the conference or when the conference ceases to exist. Since Boise has served its notice that it does NOT consent to ending the deal---the deal cannot be voided. There is a reason the AAC told Boise "hell no" when they wanted us to match the MW special deal.

(01-21-2020 01:05 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 07:32 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  What does Colorado St bring to the table?

Geography. Offers a western wing for Olympics, cause a real P6 league has all sports members. CSU also has infrastructure and potential to grow and a relatively close TV market, where I am sure many of their grads live and work. I would take them as part of a western strategy.

Unless it has changed recently, CSU has more alumni in Denver and in all of Colorado than the Buffs.

https://247sports.com/college/boise-stat...142501301/

(01-21-2020 05:40 PM)B easy Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/boise-stat...142501301/

Good find.

Here is the video....

http://www.ktik.com/2019/12/11/boise-st-...-aac-sure/

(01-21-2020 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I understand that. My point is the MW cannot ignore the Boise special deal for the next tv contract just because they feel its time to dispense with the special Boise provision. If you read the Boise term sheet from 2012--the "special Boise deal" overrides anything in the current bylaws, articles of incorporation, or any future votes or bylaws. Its forever.

You and I both know nothing is forever. The courts would get involved if the MWC is serious about not doing this "Special Boise Deal" for their next TV deal and both sides would come to some type of mutual agreement.

(01-21-2020 05:40 PM)B easy Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/boise-stat...142501301/

Horrible travel, no rivals, football only money share. That seems to be their concerns and I don't blame them. I don't see any way that they would come by themselves.

(01-21-2020 07:32 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  What does Colorado St bring to the table?

nothing really..it more that they fit profile wise and budget wise without being to much of a dead weight

(01-21-2020 06:25 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 07:32 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  What does Colorado St bring to the table?

nothing really..it more that they fit profile wise and budget wise without being to much of a dead weight

Doesn't seem like much of a rationale for Colorado State---"C'mon down, you're not too much of a dead weight"! I'd go for BYU, San Diego State or Air Force in the AAC and that's it.

More appropriately, I'm ready for UC to be back with Pitt, 'Cuse, UofL, Notre Dame (basketball) and former Metro brethren Virginia Tech, Florida State and Georgia Tech in the ACC.

(01-21-2020 06:19 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 01:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I understand that. My point is the MW cannot ignore the Boise special deal for the next tv contract just because they feel its time to dispense with the special Boise provision. If you read the Boise term sheet from 2012--the "special Boise deal" overrides anything in the current bylaws, articles of incorporation, or any future votes or bylaws. Its forever.

You and I both know nothing is forever. The courts would get involved if the MWC is serious about not doing this "Special Boise Deal" for their next TV deal and both sides would come to some type of mutual agreement.

Thats not the point. A unilateral declaration by the MW that the special deal is hereby voided wont fly. There is also zero reason for Boise to give it up. Thus, the only option the MW will have is to buy out the deal. THAT is the only way out. How much? Who knows, but it wont be cheap. How much is a 1.8 million dollar income stream for 20 years worth? How about 30 yrs? That's basically an annuity with a present value of 25 million (20 years) to 33 million (30 years) assuming a 3.5 percent interest rate.