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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-14-2020 09:10 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
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(01-13-2020 05:51 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  One note about JMU next year. I think the FBS game at UNC coming later is actually a good thing. Normally I would rather play that team in week one because I think as the season goes the program with more talent and depth gains a bigger advantage but in this case it gives the new JMU QB to get acclimated as starter and get a rhythm before that game.

I would prefer to play UNC the 1st week instead of a conference game in week 1 though.

Can you imagine what Delaware is saying to themselves about their week 1. I know we graduated a bunch of guys but they have to play at Bridgeforth against JMU. That’s a very tall order for them and a game that I don’t think will even be close.

Week one will be an interesting & telling week for us in my opinion.

I would not bet the mortgage on this game. If we were to lose week one at home to UD it could change the outlook for both teams. They are already focusing on us, no doubt. We are not them. If anything most are probably focused on UNC.

I know Sandy and folks believe we'll always be as good each year, but I think next year will be a drop off from the prior 4. Now if we picked up a game changing transfer at QB (like Vad Lee), and perhaps "another" successful stud along the defensive front, as well as another Polk caliber receiver. The roster as it presently exists for next year will be materially weaker than the prior 4 years based on returning players.

Just a lot more unknowns/holes than the prior 4 years.
There could be a drop off from 2016, 2017, and this past season. I’d be shocked if was worse than 2018. That would mean finishing WORSE than 9-4, 8-3/6-2 regular season.

‘As it stands now’ would be assuming no improvement in the 10 returning starting Juniors, the majority of the rest of the 2 deep, and the redshirted Fr. While it could be weaker than 16’, 17’ & this past season, don’t see it being weaker than 2018- that team only started 2 seniors for most of the season. As it stands now, next year will be 10 senior starters..
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-14-2020 10:59 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
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(01-14-2020 02:52 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Can you imagine what Delaware is saying to themselves about their week 1. I know we graduated a bunch of guys but they have to play at Bridgeforth against JMU. That’s a very tall order for them and a game that I don’t think will even be close.

Week one will be an interesting & telling week for us in my opinion.

I would not bet the mortgage on this game. If we were to lose week one at home to UD it could change the outlook for both teams. They are already focusing on us, no doubt. We are not them. If anything most are probably focused on UNC.

I know Sandy and folks believe we'll always be as good each year, but I think next year will be a drop off from the prior 4. Now if we picked up a game changing transfer at QB (like Vad Lee), and perhaps "another" successful stud along the defensive front, as well as another Polk caliber receiver. The roster as it presently exists for next year will be materially weaker than the prior 4 years based on returning players.

Just a lot more unknowns/holes than the prior 4 years.

Disagree. If the positions you’ve outlined as transfers fill in (and some have already signed) I don’t see the team’s returning players being weaker, “materially” or otherwise. OL and interior DL are the same. Amos is at S. Kickers and returners are the same. Are you trying to sandbag everyone?

As it exists certainly does would not include potential future transfers. Receivers go from a (Grade) A to a C in my opinion as it exists. QB goes from A to C in my opinion. Running backs stay as strong. TE goes from A-/B+ to C-ish. Offensive line hopefully remains as strong.

The defensive line goes from A+ to B. Defensive backs might will be similar

Special teams should be similar to next (Amos, Harry, etc.)

I did not feel this way following the 2016 & 2018 season. I thought we were going to be better on paper. Following 2017 I thought there would be a fall off (and there was), but not as much as this year.

It's going to require a very good coaching job by Cig to get this team into a top 4 seed this year.

BDK or someone else - go position to position and see if you think it will be better, the same, or worse this year?

Polk
Stapleton
Stapleton
Ben
Mac

On offense all 5 of those positions will step back a decent amount with the current roster.

Daka
Carter
Holloway
Smith
Robinson

On defense all 5 of those positions will step back a decent amount with the current roster.

I like the Minnesota transfer defensive lineman Abi N-Okonji, but at this point he's not played any meaningful downs in college, so fingers crossed.

To me it's just being realistic. I'm not saying we will have a losing season. I'd probably put us in the likely 7-10 range nationally, but who's the QB, the receivers? I think of the 10 players I listed above, the players we are currently projected to take their spot are a significant step back. I see this team being 7-10 points a game worse than this year's team.

"As it exists" doesn't account for all the Freshman players and the other transfers that just signed with us. How about those 2nd year guys that were redshirted or didn't see the light of day. Guys like Ayamel who many believed was the best guy in the entire class. Youth doesn't always mean the team is worse. Jalen Green didn't get much time due to how good Carter and Daka were, but he may not be that much of a step down.
I agree that we are losing some big players. But Cignetti is not a guy that will settle for rebuilding. He is fully aware at JMU rebuilding is not on the table. His expectation is to return to the championship next year.
Cignetti isn't going to accept a step back, that's for sure. If there's a position where he feels we need help, he'll bring in someone to fill that need.
It does seem hard to believe we'll be better, but let's face it: this team wasn't perfect. There were plenty of times where this team could have played better. We started games slow. Special teams struggled. While we only lost 1 game, we could have played better.
This coaching staff is only in year 2. I don't think it's impossible to think this team could be better. More youth? Sure, but youth doesn't mean the cupboard is bare.
We're going to be fine.

A thought that came to mind reading this and related posts is" HCMH and even HCEW left this program in a place where predecessors could reload instead of rebuilding every few years. Sure we may have peeks and valley's but I don't see anything very deep in our future. Regardless of the sport, this is what great programs do, seeing the big picture.
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-14-2020 11:26 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 10:59 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 10:38 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
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(01-14-2020 09:10 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Week one will be an interesting & telling week for us in my opinion.

I would not bet the mortgage on this game. If we were to lose week one at home to UD it could change the outlook for both teams. They are already focusing on us, no doubt. We are not them. If anything most are probably focused on UNC.

I know Sandy and folks believe we'll always be as good each year, but I think next year will be a drop off from the prior 4. Now if we picked up a game changing transfer at QB (like Vad Lee), and perhaps "another" successful stud along the defensive front, as well as another Polk caliber receiver. The roster as it presently exists for next year will be materially weaker than the prior 4 years based on returning players.

Just a lot more unknowns/holes than the prior 4 years.

Disagree. If the positions you’ve outlined as transfers fill in (and some have already signed) I don’t see the team’s returning players being weaker, “materially” or otherwise. OL and interior DL are the same. Amos is at S. Kickers and returners are the same. Are you trying to sandbag everyone?

As it exists certainly does would not include potential future transfers. Receivers go from a (Grade) A to a C in my opinion as it exists. QB goes from A to C in my opinion. Running backs stay as strong. TE goes from A-/B+ to C-ish. Offensive line hopefully remains as strong.

The defensive line goes from A+ to B. Defensive backs might will be similar

Special teams should be similar to next (Amos, Harry, etc.)

I did not feel this way following the 2016 & 2018 season. I thought we were going to be better on paper. Following 2017 I thought there would be a fall off (and there was), but not as much as this year.

It's going to require a very good coaching job by Cig to get this team into a top 4 seed this year.

BDK or someone else - go position to position and see if you think it will be better, the same, or worse this year?

Polk
Stapleton
Stapleton
Ben
Mac

On offense all 5 of those positions will step back a decent amount with the current roster.

Daka
Carter
Holloway
Smith
Robinson

On defense all 5 of those positions will step back a decent amount with the current roster.

I like the Minnesota transfer defensive lineman Abi N-Okonji, but at this point he's not played any meaningful downs in college, so fingers crossed.

To me it's just being realistic. I'm not saying we will have a losing season. I'd probably put us in the likely 7-10 range nationally, but who's the QB, the receivers? I think of the 10 players I listed above, the players we are currently projected to take their spot are a significant step back. I see this team being 7-10 points a game worse than this year's team.

"As it exists" doesn't account for all the Freshman players and the other transfers that just signed with us. How about those 2nd year guys that were redshirted or didn't see the light of day. Guys like Ayamel who many believed was the best guy in the entire class. Youth doesn't always mean the team is worse. Jalen Green didn't get much time due to how good Carter and Daka were, but he may not be that much of a step down.
I agree that we are losing some big players. But Cignetti is not a guy that will settle for rebuilding. He is fully aware at JMU rebuilding is not on the table. His expectation is to return to the championship next year.
Cignetti isn't going to accept a step back, that's for sure. If there's a position where he feels we need help, he'll bring in someone to fill that need.
It does seem hard to believe we'll be better, but let's face it: this team wasn't perfect. There were plenty of times where this team could have played better. We started games slow. Special teams struggled. While we only lost 1 game, we could have played better.
This coaching staff is only in year 2. I don't think it's impossible to think this team could be better. More youth? Sure, but youth doesn't mean the cupboard is bare.
We're going to be fine.

There was no bigger fan of signing Green than me. I started a thread about him before the season started. I talked about after hiring Cig the one recruit by far I wanted to make sure he kept was Green. I've probably posted over 30 times about him. That said the reason he did not play him or rotate him in this year is because he was a big step down from what played this year. Green is one of the players I wished he had rotated in more, but he apparently felt we has too big of a step behind the current Seniors.

Cig took the most stacked team JMU has ever had to the NC. Certainly a solid year. This will be a MUCH more challenging situation this year - at least it will be in my opinion.

Out of curiosity is anyone claiming that next year's current returning team is as strong as any of the prior 3 year returning teams?
Yes. The team should be stronger than 2018. After 2017, lost a similar amount of talent as this year. Once Robinson went down, that team only had 6-7 returning starters/2 of them seniors. Next year ‘as it stands now’ will have 10 returning starters/10 of them seniors.

Quote:Running backs stay as strong.
Why would you assume no improvement among the RBs? They should be even stronger than next year. Could be the best in school history.
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-14-2020 12:05 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 10:59 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 10:38 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
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(01-14-2020 09:10 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Week one will be an interesting & telling week for us in my opinion.

I would not bet the mortgage on this game. If we were to lose week one at home to UD it could change the outlook for both teams. They are already focusing on us, no doubt. We are not them. If anything most are probably focused on UNC.

I know Sandy and folks believe we'll always be as good each year, but I think next year will be a drop off from the prior 4. Now if we picked up a game changing transfer at QB (like Vad Lee), and perhaps "another" successful stud along the defensive front, as well as another Polk caliber receiver. The roster as it presently exists for next year will be materially weaker than the prior 4 years based on returning players.

Just a lot more unknowns/holes than the prior 4 years.

Disagree. If the positions you’ve outlined as transfers fill in (and some have already signed) I don’t see the team’s returning players being weaker, “materially” or otherwise. OL and interior DL are the same. Amos is at S. Kickers and returners are the same. Are you trying to sandbag everyone?

As it exists certainly does would not include potential future transfers. Receivers go from a (Grade) A to a C in my opinion as it exists. QB goes from A to C in my opinion. Running backs stay as strong. TE goes from A-/B+ to C-ish. Offensive line hopefully remains as strong.

The defensive line goes from A+ to B. Defensive backs might will be similar

Special teams should be similar to next (Amos, Harry, etc.)

I did not feel this way following the 2016 & 2018 season. I thought we were going to be better on paper. Following 2017 I thought there would be a fall off (and there was), but not as much as this year.

It's going to require a very good coaching job by Cig to get this team into a top 4 seed this year.

BDK or someone else - go position to position and see if you think it will be better, the same, or worse this year?

Polk
Stapleton
Stapleton
Ben
Mac

On offense all 5 of those positions will step back a decent amount with the current roster.

Daka
Carter
Holloway
Smith
Robinson

On defense all 5 of those positions will step back a decent amount with the current roster.

I like the Minnesota transfer defensive lineman Abi N-Okonji, but at this point he's not played any meaningful downs in college, so fingers crossed.

To me it's just being realistic. I'm not saying we will have a losing season. I'd probably put us in the likely 7-10 range nationally, but who's the QB, the receivers? I think of the 10 players I listed above, the players we are currently projected to take their spot are a significant step back. I see this team being 7-10 points a game worse than this year's team.

"As it exists" doesn't account for all the Freshman players and the other transfers that just signed with us. How about those 2nd year guys that were redshirted or didn't see the light of day. Guys like Ayamel who many believed was the best guy in the entire class. Youth doesn't always mean the team is worse. Jalen Green didn't get much time due to how good Carter and Daka were, but he may not be that much of a step down.
I agree that we are losing some big players. But Cignetti is not a guy that will settle for rebuilding. He is fully aware at JMU rebuilding is not on the table. His expectation is to return to the championship next year.
Cignetti isn't going to accept a step back, that's for sure. If there's a position where he feels we need help, he'll bring in someone to fill that need.
It does seem hard to believe we'll be better, but let's face it: this team wasn't perfect. There were plenty of times where this team could have played better. We started games slow. Special teams struggled. While we only lost 1 game, we could have played better.
This coaching staff is only in year 2. I don't think it's impossible to think this team could be better. More youth? Sure, but youth doesn't mean the cupboard is bare.
We're going to be fine.

A thought that came to mind reading this and related posts is" HCMH and even HCEW left this program in a place where predecessors could reload instead of rebuilding every few years. Sure we may have peeks and valley's but I don't see anything very deep in our future. Regardless of the sport, this is what great programs do, seeing the big picture.

That's pretty much what I'm saying. I'm not knocking JMU and saying the end of the world is coming. I think even the premier programs (of coarse less NDSU) have peaks and valleys. I thought following 2016 and 2018 we were in the peek stage. I felt in 2017 we were in a challenging stage, and compared to the prior three years I think this year looks to be more challenging than the last three. Aka more challenging than 3 years we lived in the top 5. I said earlier in this thread I would likely put put us in the 7-10 range nationally at this point and time next year. I hardy think that is doom and gloom.
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-14-2020 09:10 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 02:52 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 05:55 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 05:51 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  One note about JMU next year. I think the FBS game at UNC coming later is actually a good thing. Normally I would rather play that team in week one because I think as the season goes the program with more talent and depth gains a bigger advantage but in this case it gives the new JMU QB to get acclimated as starter and get a rhythm before that game.

I would prefer to play UNC the 1st week instead of a conference game in week 1 though.

Can you imagine what Delaware is saying to themselves about their week 1. I know we graduated a bunch of guys but they have to play at Bridgeforth against JMU. That’s a very tall order for them and a game that I don’t think will even be close.

Week one will be an interesting & telling week for us in my opinion.

I would not bet the mortgage on this game. If we were to lose week one at home to UD it could change the outlook for both teams. They are already focusing on us, no doubt. We are not them. If anything most are probably focused on UNC.

I know Sandy and folks believe we'll always be as good each year, but I think next year will be a drop off from the prior 4. Now if we picked up a game changing transfer at QB (like Vad Lee), and perhaps "another" successful stud along the defensive front, as well as another Polk caliber receiver. The roster as it presently exists for next year will be materially weaker than the prior 4 years based on returning players.

Just a lot more unknowns/holes than the prior 4 years.

Disagree on us not being focused on week 1 the season opener at home Cignetti’s second year after a disappointing loss in Frisco. We will be nothing but focused on week 1 all off season.
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-14-2020 10:38 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
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(01-13-2020 05:55 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  I would prefer to play UNC the 1st week instead of a conference game in week 1 though.

Can you imagine what Delaware is saying to themselves about their week 1. I know we graduated a bunch of guys but they have to play at Bridgeforth against JMU. That’s a very tall order for them and a game that I don’t think will even be close.

Week one will be an interesting & telling week for us in my opinion.

I would not bet the mortgage on this game. If we were to lose week one at home to UD it could change the outlook for both teams. They are already focusing on us, no doubt. We are not them. If anything most are probably focused on UNC.

I know Sandy and folks believe we'll always be as good each year, but I think next year will be a drop off from the prior 4. Now if we picked up a game changing transfer at QB (like Vad Lee), and perhaps "another" successful stud along the defensive front, as well as another Polk caliber receiver. The roster as it presently exists for next year will be materially weaker than the prior 4 years based on returning players.

Just a lot more unknowns/holes than the prior 4 years.

Disagree. If the positions you’ve outlined as transfers fill in (and some have already signed) I don’t see the team’s returning players being weaker, “materially” or otherwise. OL and interior DL are the same. Amos is at S. Kickers and returners are the same. Are you trying to sandbag everyone?

As it exists certainly does would not include potential future transfers. Receivers go from a (Grade) A to a C in my opinion as it exists. QB goes from A to C in my opinion. Running backs stay as strong. TE goes from A-/B+ to C-ish. Offensive line hopefully remains as strong.

The defensive line goes from A+ to B. Defensive backs might will be similar

Special teams should be similar to next (Amos, Harry, etc.)

I did not feel this way following the 2016 & 2018 season. I thought we were going to be better on paper. Following 2017 I thought there would be a fall off (and there was), but not as much as this year.

It's going to require a very good coaching job by Cig to get this team into a top 4 seed this year.

BDK or someone else - go position to position and see if you think it will be better, the same, or worse this year?

Polk
Stapleton
Stapleton
Ben
Mac

On offense all 5 of those positions will step back a decent amount with the current roster.

Daka
Carter
Holloway
Smith
Robinson

On defense all 5 of those positions will step back a decent amount with the current roster.

I like the Minnesota transfer defensive lineman Abi N-Okonji, but at this point he's not played any meaningful downs in college, so fingers crossed.

To me it's just being realistic. I'm not saying we will have a losing season. I'd probably put us in the likely 7-10 range nationally, but who's the QB, the receivers? I think of the 10 players I listed above, the players we are currently projected to take their spot are a significant step back. I see this team being 7-10 points a game worse than this year's team.

That's not what your original post implied. I agree there are vacancies/holes on the roster that must be addressed, but then you went on the suggest that the other returning players weren't up to championship snuff. JMU has big needs, especially at QB and WR, otherwise I can see the returning talent making another deep run in the playoffs.
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A simplistic look at what we have coming back in 2020. Making some assumptions below, including that every person moves up a single team next year (admittedly injuries impact current year recognition - i.e. R. Stapleton - and next year awards), but let's see what happens.

2020 offense will lose a 1st team QB (Nooch), OL (Patrick) and a 2nd team WR (Polk), TE (Stapleton) and no 3rd teamers.
They will return 1st team RB (Percy), OL (Fornadel), and a 2nd team RB (Hamilton), OL (Wilson) - as they will move up from 3rd team in 2019 to 2nd in 2020.
So offenses goes from 4 players on 1st team (including QB, RB, OL, OL) to only 2 (RB and OL). No longer having a 1st team QB or a 2nd team WR and TE (and really a second WR in Riley) could be rough.

2020 defense will lose a 1st team DL (Carter), DL (Daka), LB (Holloway), S (Smith), and 2nd team CB (Robinson) and a 3rd team LB (Ward).
They will return 1st team S (Amos) and a now 2nd team DL (Greene).
So defense goes from 5 players on 1st team players to just 1 and 1 player each year on the 2nd team.

When I have more time I think it would be interesting to see how this would have looked using 2017 to predict 2018 and then what actually happened.
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
Here’s a tidbit. OL coaches:
2016: Jamal Powell
2017: Bryan Stinespring
2018: Steve Shankweiler
2019: Damian Wroblewski
2020: Hopefully Damian Wroblewski

Finally some continuity there. Return 3, or 2.5, starters, and 8 (or 7) of the top 10 (depemding on Gillespie). Also return best O lineman in AA Fornadel, a potential consensus AA next year. The OL ‘should’ be at least as good as this past season, and probably better.
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(01-14-2020 02:35 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Here’s a tidbit. OL coaches:
2016: Jamal Powell
2017: Bryan Stinespring
2018: Steve Shankweiler
2019: Damian Wroblewski
2020: Hopefully Damian Wroblewski

Finally some continuity there. Return 3, or 2.5, starters, and 8 (or 7) of the top 10 (depemding on Gillespie). Also return best O lineman in AA Fornadel, a potential consensus AA next year. The OL ‘should’ be at least as good as this past season, and probably better.

Yeah, this combined with Percy/Latrele plus Painter as a proven blocker is going to make life a whole lot easier for whoever wins the QB1 and WR slots.
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-13-2020 11:03 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  
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(01-12-2020 05:37 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  The sooner everyone realizes that the FCS Championship game in Frisco, TX isn't even on the same level as the Menards Shovel Bowl the better.

#1 vs #2 with 3 weeks of lead up..... 17K people. And that's with knowing there was a 90% chance your team would be there before week 1.

I didn't used to feel his way, but the past 2 years or so I've really changed my mind on it.

As another poster has said, there is nowhere to go in FCS except down from here. Hopefully the resolution is being worked in the background.

Respectfully disagree. App St had an amazing season, maybe their best ever, we’re ranked 20th at one point and had 21k in New Orleans for their bowl this year. Granted, they played 1-2 “marquee” teams during the regular season, but an iffy schedule the rest of the way (and a ton of travel = $$$). I hear your argument, just not seeing that much upside and don’t want to become ODU

App State ended the regular season ranked as the third highest G5 team in the country. The result was a bowl game that drew 21,000 at a neutral site and played on Saturday night on ESPN

Weber State ended the season as the third ranked FCS team. The result was playing a national semi-final game at a home field site (JMU) in front of 10,000 people on a Friday night on ESPNU.

As someone who has slowly moved from "I'm fine with staying FCS" to "its time to go to FBS," you cannot point to one thing in FCS that comes close to its equal at the G5 level.

I'm not naive to think that G5 will bring us sold out stadiums, national TV appearances and beating Clemson in the national championship...but there is nothing I can think of at the FCS level that when compared to G5 FBS is superior when comparing apples to apples.

why did you compare App State's end of season game to our 2nd to last game?

that makes no sense.

Because I'm comparing apples to apples. It was Weber's last game. We are not App State in this scenario.

If you finish third in the FCS it's because you made it to the semifinal. If you finish third in G5, you make it to a bowl.

So by this logic, are we Clemson? Not getting it.

Not sure it's apples to apples anyway as you're comparing a bowl system to a playoff system.

I know folks are dug in on this issue on both sides...just hope the administration realizes it is not slam dunk issue one way or the other, and I think they do. Glad we are not rushing it.

Shoot, let's go Premier League on this thing....top 2 teams from FCS move up to FBS/G5 and the bottom 2 G5 teams move down to the FCS...who's with me?!
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-15-2020 04:10 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 11:03 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 11:01 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 10:59 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 07:33 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  Respectfully disagree. App St had an amazing season, maybe their best ever, we’re ranked 20th at one point and had 21k in New Orleans for their bowl this year. Granted, they played 1-2 “marquee” teams during the regular season, but an iffy schedule the rest of the way (and a ton of travel = $$$). I hear your argument, just not seeing that much upside and don’t want to become ODU

App State ended the regular season ranked as the third highest G5 team in the country. The result was a bowl game that drew 21,000 at a neutral site and played on Saturday night on ESPN

Weber State ended the season as the third ranked FCS team. The result was playing a national semi-final game at a home field site (JMU) in front of 10,000 people on a Friday night on ESPNU.

As someone who has slowly moved from "I'm fine with staying FCS" to "its time to go to FBS," you cannot point to one thing in FCS that comes close to its equal at the G5 level.

I'm not naive to think that G5 will bring us sold out stadiums, national TV appearances and beating Clemson in the national championship...but there is nothing I can think of at the FCS level that when compared to G5 FBS is superior when comparing apples to apples.

why did you compare App State's end of season game to our 2nd to last game?

that makes no sense.

Because I'm comparing apples to apples. It was Weber's last game. We are not App State in this scenario.

If you finish third in the FCS it's because you made it to the semifinal. If you finish third in G5, you make it to a bowl.

So by this logic, are we Clemson? Not getting it.

Not sure it's apples to apples anyway as you're comparing a bowl system to a playoff system.

I know folks are dug in on this issue on both sides...just hope the administration realizes it is not slam dunk issue one way or the other, and I think they do. Glad we are not rushing it.

Shoot, let's go Premier League on this thing....top 2 teams from FCS move up to FBS/G5 and the bottom 2 G5 teams move down to the FCS...who's with me?!

I read something where a writer was joking about the relegation thing. Said Rutgers should have to play NDSU for the right to be in the Big 10. And he further installed the Bison as 21 point favorites!
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RE: Sadly everyone is playing for 2nd next year..
(01-15-2020 04:27 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 04:10 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 11:03 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 11:01 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 10:59 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  App State ended the regular season ranked as the third highest G5 team in the country. The result was a bowl game that drew 21,000 at a neutral site and played on Saturday night on ESPN

Weber State ended the season as the third ranked FCS team. The result was playing a national semi-final game at a home field site (JMU) in front of 10,000 people on a Friday night on ESPNU.

As someone who has slowly moved from "I'm fine with staying FCS" to "its time to go to FBS," you cannot point to one thing in FCS that comes close to its equal at the G5 level.

I'm not naive to think that G5 will bring us sold out stadiums, national TV appearances and beating Clemson in the national championship...but there is nothing I can think of at the FCS level that when compared to G5 FBS is superior when comparing apples to apples.

why did you compare App State's end of season game to our 2nd to last game?

that makes no sense.

Because I'm comparing apples to apples. It was Weber's last game. We are not App State in this scenario.

If you finish third in the FCS it's because you made it to the semifinal. If you finish third in G5, you make it to a bowl.

So by this logic, are we Clemson? Not getting it.

Not sure it's apples to apples anyway as you're comparing a bowl system to a playoff system.

I know folks are dug in on this issue on both sides...just hope the administration realizes it is not slam dunk issue one way or the other, and I think they do. Glad we are not rushing it.

Shoot, let's go Premier League on this thing....top 2 teams from FCS move up to FBS/G5 and the bottom 2 G5 teams move down to the FCS...who's with me?!

I read something where a writer was joking about the relegation thing. Said Rutgers should have to play NDSU for the right to be in the Big 10. And he further installed the Bison as 21 point favorites!

Funny thing is I’ve overheard folks in a bar recently who believe this IS how it works. There are literally some people in America who believe NDSU will be FBS next year for winning the title. Guess they look at schools like App St and draw that conclusion.
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(01-12-2020 04:56 PM)Purple Wrote:  I talked to Bryan Schor yesterday at our postgame tailgate and asked him what he thought about the last play of the game. He was clearly trying to cover for Cig and the team when he said two running plays would be low percentage, therefore, the passing play was the right call.

I couldn't disagree more. If we couldn't take it in with two plays from three yards out with Latrele or Latrele leading DiNucci, then I would have been OK with the loss. The passing play called made as much sense to me as a field goal attempt.
I was ok with a pass play there, just not that one. Two players in one area with a guy throwing across his body, should’ve run play action hitting either of the Stapletons. Everyone calling for a run, but easy to second guess and if we fumble the same people question that strategy. And this play was one of two 2-point plays they drew up, so even if they punch it in on a run, they go with this same pass for the conversion.

I would NEVER "question" a run in that situation. We had two plays and a timeout with a bulldozer that does 60 MPH in the backfield. I don't know if this was supposed to be Nooch's highlight reel for NFL scouts or what the reason was that Cig decided that Nooch needed 30+ passes for the game when we were running the ball at will, but it certainly lost us the game. A punt would have made as much sense in that situation, IMO.
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(01-15-2020 04:55 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 04:27 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 04:10 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 11:03 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 11:01 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  why did you compare App State's end of season game to our 2nd to last game?

that makes no sense.

Because I'm comparing apples to apples. It was Weber's last game. We are not App State in this scenario.

If you finish third in the FCS it's because you made it to the semifinal. If you finish third in G5, you make it to a bowl.

So by this logic, are we Clemson? Not getting it.

Not sure it's apples to apples anyway as you're comparing a bowl system to a playoff system.

I know folks are dug in on this issue on both sides...just hope the administration realizes it is not slam dunk issue one way or the other, and I think they do. Glad we are not rushing it.

Shoot, let's go Premier League on this thing....top 2 teams from FCS move up to FBS/G5 and the bottom 2 G5 teams move down to the FCS...who's with me?!

I read something where a writer was joking about the relegation thing. Said Rutgers should have to play NDSU for the right to be in the Big 10. And he further installed the Bison as 21 point favorites!

Funny thing is I’ve overheard folks in a bar recently who believe this IS how it works. There are literally some people in America who believe NDSU will be FBS next year for winning the title. Guess they look at schools like App St and draw that conclusion.

Check this out: http://www.erikpitzer.com/college-football-pyramid/

This was created by one of our own. It makes too much sense.
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(01-16-2020 08:46 AM)lingerba Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 04:55 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 04:27 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 04:10 PM)Ddog4 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 11:03 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  Because I'm comparing apples to apples. It was Weber's last game. We are not App State in this scenario.

If you finish third in the FCS it's because you made it to the semifinal. If you finish third in G5, you make it to a bowl.

So by this logic, are we Clemson? Not getting it.

Not sure it's apples to apples anyway as you're comparing a bowl system to a playoff system.

I know folks are dug in on this issue on both sides...just hope the administration realizes it is not slam dunk issue one way or the other, and I think they do. Glad we are not rushing it.

Shoot, let's go Premier League on this thing....top 2 teams from FCS move up to FBS/G5 and the bottom 2 G5 teams move down to the FCS...who's with me?!

I read something where a writer was joking about the relegation thing. Said Rutgers should have to play NDSU for the right to be in the Big 10. And he further installed the Bison as 21 point favorites!

Funny thing is I’ve overheard folks in a bar recently who believe this IS how it works. There are literally some people in America who believe NDSU will be FBS next year for winning the title. Guess they look at schools like App St and draw that conclusion.

Check this out: http://www.erikpitzer.com/college-football-pyramid/

This was created by one of our own. It makes too much sense.

Brilliant
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(01-13-2020 12:22 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Geez....how do I say this nicely......at some point folks just start to sound like a bunch of whiny, spoiled, entitled brats.

- When JMU wins it is not good enough b/c it is not against who we want to play or the game was not entertaining enough or we won by too much or we won by not enough
- And god forbid, when JMU loses the sky is falling and everyone SUCKS!!!

If we won, the narrative would be "We're too good for FCS". Especially if we won 3 of the last 4, which we had a shot to do.

I've learned over the years that JMU fans like to complain... a lot.
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(01-19-2020 08:24 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 12:22 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Geez....how do I say this nicely......at some point folks just start to sound like a bunch of whiny, spoiled, entitled brats.

- When JMU wins it is not good enough b/c it is not against who we want to play or the game was not entertaining enough or we won by too much or we won by not enough
- And god forbid, when JMU loses the sky is falling and everyone SUCKS!!!

If we won, the narrative would be "We're too good for FCS". Especially if we won 3 of the last 4, which we had a shot to do.

I've learned over the years that JMU fans like to complain... a lot.
It's hard to tell the difference between her and Bisonville...same issues over there, haha.
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Hang in there JMU
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(01-11-2020 11:19 PM)Ike N. Berry Wrote:  Understood, thank you.

And congratulations.

Please convince your QB to go on a five-year mission trip.
Haha! Thanks for the laugh. Hopefully the Dukes can reload, and not have to rebuild.
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(01-14-2020 11:47 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  
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(01-11-2020 05:14 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Meh. Can we just move to FBS already. Based on the last couple of posts all anyone is playing for is a conference title anyway.

(01-13-2020 11:41 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  
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(01-11-2020 11:04 PM)Ike N. Berry Wrote:  Pardon my ignorance but is that on their radar at all? Maybe as a football-only member somewhere?


I'd say 30-40% of the fanbase wants FBS.
Alot of small town north dakota people think being top dog is the coolest thing ever.

President & AD have said they don't want to move up unless something breaks apart with the power 5 and G 5.

Personally Ive been pushing hard for it since Carson Wentz days! I think the President is close to retirement age and the AD is from Stony Brook and just happy to be here.... so there's not motivation for those 2.

if Mountain West gave us an Invite tomorrow or the American NDSU would say YES right away.

Mac or SunBelt probably not.

Stadium is 19,000 so it meets fbs requirement, but if NDSU built a 30k on campus stadium it would help.
Football Only would probably work easier since travel costs will be biggest deterrant

At what point are the fans/supporters ok with being the big fish in a little pond?

Even our fan base is getting tired of beating up on teams throughout the season. At what point does "how much are we going to beat them by" stop being fun? So assume NDSU has 13 championships is 14 years, I believe some of the pride starts to decline when everyone knows you're playing "down"?

Looks to me like you're the second biggest fish in the pond.

You are correct. NDSU is a very big fish in a little pond, has been for 10 years. JMU is a big fish, not as big as NDSU in that same pond but for a shorter period of time. NDSU has very good reasons for staying FCS, JMU's market is much different and doesn't have the same reasons to remain FCS long term.

Everyone that follows FCS football knows that each year there's only a small handful of teams that have a chance at slaying the FCS giant. For ME: If the tables were turned, JMU being the giant, I don't think I would enjoy the game as much. Close games are a lot more fun that going into a game knowing your going to blow them out by the half.
I agree with this. I personally like a close game, down to the wire type of game, but Coach Entz doesn't take his foot off of the throttle /throat like some of the previous coaches did. He has a bit of fire in him. I like him. Tough nut for sure. It has to be hard to be a NDSU head fb coach at this stage, Frickin target on your back EVERY game. 16-0 with a Natty in his rookie season as HC........as we say up around these parts....."Uffda!!!"
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