(01-13-2020 08:53 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I understand adding schools that bring VALUE, but if the BigTen could succeed in taking the 3 schools of Virginia, UNC and Georgia Tech then WHO is out there that brings value???? There are NO teams that do that, but most likely contractual purposes the conference just like the Big12 will have to add to keep the contracts. Yes the Big12 was lucky that their TV contract said they could spread school 11 & 12 amongst their ten schools, and that’s why their payouts look so great per school. I think if the ACC lost a group of schools they would have to go with obvious choices of schools if other schools are not willing to jump ship. So who can we take???

For the ACC?

Basically nobody.

The extreme long shots of Texas or ND. After that there are few game changers and they are even bigger long shots.

The ACC has extremely limited options. Adding more mouths to feed makes 0 sense.

(01-13-2020 11:43 AM)nole Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 08:53 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I understand adding schools that bring VALUE, but if the BigTen could succeed in taking the 3 schools of Virginia, UNC and Georgia Tech then WHO is out there that brings value???? There are NO teams that do that, but most likely contractual purposes the conference just like the Big12 will have to add to keep the contracts. Yes the Big12 was lucky that their TV contract said they could spread school 11 & 12 amongst their ten schools, and that’s why their payouts look so great per school. I think if the ACC lost a group of schools they would have to go with obvious choices of schools if other schools are not willing to jump ship. So who can we take???

For the ACC?

Basically nobody.

The extreme long shots of Texas or ND. After that there are few game changers and they are even bigger long shots.

The ACC has extremely limited options. Adding more mouths to feed makes 0 sense.

I don’t think losing those 3 schools would hurt the ACC much at all, especially from a football standpoint. The only state we would lose is Georgia. Adding Cincinnati would equal that out I think. Replacing NC & Virginia becomes a bit more difficult so you could stay at 12 & have fewer mouthes to feed. Another alternative would be to add WV & maybe Houston. The ACC footprint is expanded but the athletics take a bit of a hit.


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(01-13-2020 02:48 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:43 AM)nole Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 08:53 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I understand adding schools that bring VALUE, but if the BigTen could succeed in taking the 3 schools of Virginia, UNC and Georgia Tech then WHO is out there that brings value???? There are NO teams that do that, but most likely contractual purposes the conference just like the Big12 will have to add to keep the contracts. Yes the Big12 was lucky that their TV contract said they could spread school 11 & 12 amongst their ten schools, and that’s why their payouts look so great per school. I think if the ACC lost a group of schools they would have to go with obvious choices of schools if other schools are not willing to jump ship. So who can we take???

For the ACC?

Basically nobody.

The extreme long shots of Texas or ND. After that there are few game changers and they are even bigger long shots.

The ACC has extremely limited options. Adding more mouths to feed makes 0 sense.

I don’t think losing those 3 schools would hurt the ACC much at all, especially from a football standpoint. The only state we would lose is Georgia. Adding Cincinnati would equal that out I think. Replacing NC & Virginia becomes a bit more difficult so you could stay at 12 & have fewer mouthes to feed. Another alternative would be to add WV & maybe Houston. The ACC footprint is expanded but the athletics take a bit of a hit.


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Losing teams isn't a big issue to me (unless it's Clemson).

There are 0 realistic adds that make any sense.

(01-13-2020 03:10 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 02:48 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:43 AM)nole Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 08:53 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I understand adding schools that bring VALUE, but if the BigTen could succeed in taking the 3 schools of Virginia, UNC and Georgia Tech then WHO is out there that brings value???? There are NO teams that do that, but most likely contractual purposes the conference just like the Big12 will have to add to keep the contracts. Yes the Big12 was lucky that their TV contract said they could spread school 11 & 12 amongst their ten schools, and that’s why their payouts look so great per school. I think if the ACC lost a group of schools they would have to go with obvious choices of schools if other schools are not willing to jump ship. So who can we take???

For the ACC?

Basically nobody.

The extreme long shots of Texas or ND. After that there are few game changers and they are even bigger long shots.

The ACC has extremely limited options. Adding more mouths to feed makes 0 sense.

I don’t think losing those 3 schools would hurt the ACC much at all, especially from a football standpoint. The only state we would lose is Georgia. Adding Cincinnati would equal that out I think. Replacing NC & Virginia becomes a bit more difficult so you could stay at 12 & have fewer mouthes to feed. Another alternative would be to add WV & maybe Houston. The ACC footprint is expanded but the athletics take a bit of a hit.


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Losing teams isn't a big issue to me (unless it's Clemson).

There are 0 realistic adds that make any sense.

The ACC cant afford to lose Clemson or FSU. Miami & VT are probably next on the list. Everyone else is expendable in todays world. These are the schools I want to see Louisville attached to. The ACC does have the potential to compete with the SEC & B1G as is though.


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As a Pitt fan, of course I’d love to have the Mountaineers in the same league. I’d like to resume our annual rivalry with them. I think we need to do it out of conference anyway. However, they would definitely add something to the league from Pitt’s perspective.

I think that ship has sailed though. If we are going to play WVU every year, it’s going to have to be as part of our out of conference slate.

It doesn’t really matter who leaves under any scenario, but the question is does ESPN who hold the rights to the ACC would allow the conference to stand still at 12??? I don’t think they are going to allow the conference to spread the pay of 3 schools around to remaining 12 like FOX did with the Big12. It really depends how the contracts are laid out if schools will need to b added. Basically ESPN controls what the conference will have to do.

Espn has to much vested in the ACC and SEC, the ACC will not lose any schools but I could see more ACC content. The Big 12 is the only power 5 conference without a channel, there is a reason their tv rights were not extended. The Big 12 is on borrowed time.

As a Cuse fan I'd love them to join. We love beating them.

I'm not sure if WVU makes the final cut of the "power" conference teams, but if they do, you better believe ESPN will want them in the ACC so they can play Pitt, Cuse and VT every year.

I hope like hell the ACC is never in a position to have to consider adding West Virginia.

Think about this ... it is repeated, over and over, how horrifically their fans behave. It is a "thing".

Screw those clowns.

It was beautiful being invited to a P-5 conference.
It was AMAZING being invited to a conference the quality of the ACC.
It was GLORIOUS realizing you weren't joining a league with those bastards.


Bestowing P-5 status on a Cincinnati, and watching them blossom, while WVU withered on the vine, would be karma in action.

(01-13-2020 11:49 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  I hope like hell the ACC is never in a position to have to consider adding West Virginia.

Think about this ... it is repeated, over and over, how horrifically their fans behave. It is a "thing".

Screw those clowns.

It was beautiful being invited to a P-5 conference.
It was AMAZING being invited to a conference the quality of the ACC.
It was GLORIOUS realizing you weren't joining a league with those bastards.


Bestowing P-5 status on a Cincinnati, and watching them blossom, while WVU withered on the vine, would be karma in action.

Cincinnati has lots of upside. Under the right circumstances I could see them. However, it's possible the ACC may need immediate help - UC will need some time.

I don’t think WV would be the best addition but I think they would be beneficial to the ACC network. Could you imagine a bowl game between WV and Kentucky? Might be enough teeth in the whole stadium for one mouth full. ???

(01-13-2020 11:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm not sure if WVU makes the final cut of the "power" conference teams, but if they do, you better believe ESPN will want them in the ACC so they can play Pitt, Cuse and VT every year.

Agree. Without a doubt if there is a consolidation from the P5 to a P4 and the ACC survives WVU will be a member of the ACC, either as #15 or 16 or as a replacement for someone shifted elsewhere.

Had WVU been able to be more patient about leaving the Big East they almost certainly would have been Maryland's replacement.

(01-14-2020 12:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm not sure if WVU makes the final cut of the "power" conference teams, but if they do, you better believe ESPN will want them in the ACC so they can play Pitt, Cuse and VT every year.

Agree. Without a doubt if there is a consolidation from the P5 to a P4 and the ACC survives WVU will be a member of the ACC, either as #15 or 16 or as a replacement for someone shifted elsewhere.

Had WVU been able to be more patient about leaving the Big East they almost certainly would have been Maryland's replacement.

To me the only question is can Oklahoma and Texas be lured away from the Big 12. If that answer is yes then we consolidate to a P4.

If the SEC and Big 10 move to payouts in the neighborhood of 65 million or more by 2024 and the Big 12 is parsed out, there is not a school in the ACC that adds revenue to either the Big 10 or ACC at that level of revenue. Should basketball ever be liberated from the NCAA like football was in the early 80's then maybe there's an angle of value to consider.

In West Virginia you have a small population state with a wide diaspora throughout the beltway and down the Eastern Seaboard. You don't pick up a lot of viewers in West Virginia but you strengthen your viewing numbers in many of the ACC states which adds premium subscriptions to your ACCN. What's more is that the Mountaineers are good enough in football, better in basketball, and competitive in baseball annually that they add to the content value of all three sports, much like Louisville has done, just not at Louisville level in hoops or baseball. So yes they are a solid add. With Miami and Georgia Tech in transportation hubs T.C.U. (if you don't land Texas) would be a way to boost the ACCN and transportation to DFW is not an issue.

IMO, the parsing of the Big 12 will pretty much end realignment for the foreseeable future. The PAC is isolated geographically and really doesn't hold many profitable prospects to a Big 10 making over 65 million. If the SEC and Big 10 expand out of the Big 12 both will essentially have to stop because increases won't add to revenue.

From that point the realistic eventuality to eliminating the revenue gap will come when the four remaining conferences all hit the days of declining college football viewership (think after 2035) and see the benefit in negotiating future contracts collectively.

(01-14-2020 02:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 12:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm not sure if WVU makes the final cut of the "power" conference teams, but if they do, you better believe ESPN will want them in the ACC so they can play Pitt, Cuse and VT every year.

Agree. Without a doubt if there is a consolidation from the P5 to a P4 and the ACC survives WVU will be a member of the ACC, either as #15 or 16 or as a replacement for someone shifted elsewhere.

Had WVU been able to be more patient about leaving the Big East they almost certainly would have been Maryland's replacement.

To me the only question is can Oklahoma and Texas be lured away from the Big 12. If that answer is yes then we consolidate to a P4.

If the SEC and Big 10 move to payouts in the neighborhood of 65 million or more by 2024 and the Big 12 is parsed out, there is not a school in the ACC that adds revenue to either the Big 10 or ACC at that level of revenue. Should basketball ever be liberated from the NCAA like football was in the early 80's then maybe there's an angle of value to consider.

In West Virginia you have a small population state with a wide diaspora throughout the beltway and down the Eastern Seaboard. You don't pick up a lot of viewers in West Virginia but you strengthen your viewing numbers in many of the ACC states which adds premium subscriptions to your ACCN. What's more is that the Mountaineers are good enough in football, better in basketball, and competitive in baseball annually that they add to the content value of all three sports, much like Louisville has done, just not at Louisville level in hoops or baseball. So yes they are a solid add. With Miami and Georgia Tech in transportation hubs T.C.U. (if you don't land Texas) would be a way to boost the ACCN and transportation to DFW is not an issue.

IMO, the parsing of the Big 12 will pretty much end realignment for the foreseeable future. The PAC is isolated geographically and really doesn't hold many profitable prospects to a Big 10 making over 65 million. If the SEC and Big 10 expand out of the Big 12 both will essentially have to stop because increases won't add to revenue.

From that point the realistic eventuality to eliminating the revenue gap will come when the four remaining conferences all hit the days of declining college football viewership (think after 2035) and see the benefit in negotiating future contracts collectively.

Let me get this straight.
West Virginia has value to the ACC even though it doesn't add revenue, but the SEC
or the B1G won't add any teams that don't add revenue?
Total hypocrisy.

(01-14-2020 02:08 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 12:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm not sure if WVU makes the final cut of the "power" conference teams, but if they do, you better believe ESPN will want them in the ACC so they can play Pitt, Cuse and VT every year.

Agree. Without a doubt if there is a consolidation from the P5 to a P4 and the ACC survives WVU will be a member of the ACC, either as #15 or 16 or as a replacement for someone shifted elsewhere.

Had WVU been able to be more patient about leaving the Big East they almost certainly would have been Maryland's replacement.

To me the only question is can Oklahoma and Texas be lured away from the Big 12. If that answer is yes then we consolidate to a P4.

If the SEC and Big 10 move to payouts in the neighborhood of 65 million or more by 2024 and the Big 12 is parsed out, there is not a school in the ACC that adds revenue to either the Big 10 or ACC at that level of revenue. Should basketball ever be liberated from the NCAA like football was in the early 80's then maybe there's an angle of value to consider.

In West Virginia you have a small population state with a wide diaspora throughout the beltway and down the Eastern Seaboard. You don't pick up a lot of viewers in West Virginia but you strengthen your viewing numbers in many of the ACC states which adds premium subscriptions to your ACCN. What's more is that the Mountaineers are good enough in football, better in basketball, and competitive in baseball annually that they add to the content value of all three sports, much like Louisville has done, just not at Louisville level in hoops or baseball. So yes they are a solid add. With Miami and Georgia Tech in transportation hubs T.C.U. (if you don't land Texas) would be a way to boost the ACCN and transportation to DFW is not an issue.

IMO, the parsing of the Big 12 will pretty much end realignment for the foreseeable future. The PAC is isolated geographically and really doesn't hold many profitable prospects to a Big 10 making over 65 million. If the SEC and Big 10 expand out of the Big 12 both will essentially have to stop because increases won't add to revenue.

From that point the realistic eventuality to eliminating the revenue gap will come when the four remaining conferences all hit the days of declining college football viewership (think after 2035) and see the benefit in negotiating future contracts collectively.

My fear, they P2 can just basically kill off the ACC (ie Big East 2) and the PAC12 (and most of the Big 12).

They really don't have to do anything. Just keep things as they are.

West Virginia? Yes.

West Virginia fans? Hard no.

(01-14-2020 08:17 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  West Virginia? Yes.

West Virginia fans? Hard no.

LOL. Can the ACC add WVU on an all-road games basis?

Did anybody watch the playoffs this year or any other? Oklahoma wants NO parts of the SEC.

At least now they have a glimmer of hope every season.

Besides money, what does Oklahoma get out of the Big 10? Playing games in Wisconsin and Illinois in November? I’m sure that’ll excite the recruits.

The Nebraska game hasn’t been a rivalry since before the athletes were born, so I doubt that will ignite passion.

The Big12 should stay together except their only outlier being WVU should possibly move to the AAC where they would be the big fish or to the ACC where they should have been since the conference formation.

The Big12 could poach BSU or Colorado St. to take their place.