(01-09-2020 11:04 AM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  Also wtf this weather i'm tired of being stressed for Frisco travel. I travel for work and it seems like the only time I have issues with my flights is when I'm trying to go to freaking Dallas

You don't fly in and out of O'Hare like I do.

Atlanta is awful in the summer, but Oh'Hare is bad winter and summer.

Go dukes!

(01-09-2020 12:44 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 11:04 AM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  Also wtf this weather i'm tired of being stressed for Frisco travel. I travel for work and it seems like the only time I have issues with my flights is when I'm trying to go to freaking Dallas

You don't fly in and out of O'Hare like I do.

Atlanta is awful in the summer, but Oh'Hare is bad winter and summer.

Go dukes!

Hahaha I fly united I literally go from RVA to ORD almost every flight.

The 3rd trip to Orlando for an FCS championship game could get old too. Look I'm not disagreeing with moving it, I'm not disagreeing that Frisco is an average place to hold it - this is backed up by the fact that there are hundreds, a thousand+? tickets out there on the market. People aren't as interested in following JMU all the way to Frisco as they once were. I can live with that and people's choices/priorities. But to paint Dallas as a subpar region to host I think is disingenuous.

the really disingenuous thing is to paint Frisco as bad just because the weather is again going to be crappy.

all you have to do is look at the week before and the week after gameday. the weather was great.

it's just pretty rotten and incredible bad luck that bad day hits us on gameday and travel day.

The pic I just got from Dallas said 64 degrees. My friends are enjoying the weather so far haha

(01-09-2020 11:23 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 10:36 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 08:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  If you're bored with "Frisco" (Dallas region) that's on you. There is plenty to do. It's like saying there's nothing to do in Harrisonburg; there is plenty to do in Harrisonburg.

Was thinking this morning about how many people out there must be JMU/NDSU fatigued. Probably every other fan base wishes they could be in Frisco and spite these two teams for "always" being there.

There's plenty to do in Washington DC (50 times more than Frisco)- it does not mean I want to spend a weekend or a vacation there (25 miles away) there every year.

While I'm sure there are some fans on both sides that might like to see different teams, I've not seen or heard much fatigue over the teams. Mine and I think others is if you are going to spend thousands of dollars on a day or two trip it would be nice to have it at a place that has complimentary weather and things to do not only us, but more so the rest of our family.

Deez, I don't think you are quite to the point in your life where you have to consider the family, and do we do this mini-vac in frisco again, or watch on TV and do the a mini vaca somewhere else?

Most or at least a significant amount of us on here are fathers. You kind of question yourself on if it is fair to spend this kinda $ on something that is not as fun for the rest of the family. Don't get me wrong my wife, DJ, and DJ2 all love the games & are JMU fans, but I know if I asked them would they rather spend $2,000 to go to Frisco for 24 hours, or watch the game on TV, and another weekend spend that $2,000 to head to Orlando, San Antonio, or New Orleans, etc. - there is no doubt in my mind what they would choose.

That's why I said this is the first year I considered not going, and watching on TV. It's options in life, and you have to consider the whole picture not only for yourself, but your family, or spouse.

If it was different teams reaching the NC each year there would not be the location fatigue. I was excited about Frisco the first time. I was ok with it last time. While I excited about the game, I'm dreading Frisco this time. Other than the NC - why am I paying this kinda money to go to Frisco? If different teams went on an annual basis as in the past, keeping it in the same place so long would not be an issue since you may only go once every 5-10 years. Same place 3 times in the last three years for JMU, and for NDSU 8th time in 8 years - that's not that exciting.

Like the NC in spite of Frisco for me "this" year.

Very well said.....Frisco, TX is simply NOT a destination location that anyone would ever go to without the National Championship game. Sure it is great for the Frisco economy and they embrace it.......but my guess is almost any locality would for a serious infusion of cash in early January.

I have spent a bit of time in the DFW area, it is fun for adults or couples.....but pretty lacking for a family compared to other locations that are also more of destination locations. A mini-vaca to Frisco, TX is a hard sell to the family after you have done it once given other options.

Neither is
Chattanooga (1997-2009)
Huntington, WV (1992-2006)
Statesboro, GA (1989-1991)
Pocatello, ID (1987-1988)
Tacoma, WA (1985-1986)

Before anyone says but with Tacoma you have Seattle 35 miles away, with Frisco you have Dallas 30 miles away).

(01-09-2020 03:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 11:23 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 10:36 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 08:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  If you're bored with "Frisco" (Dallas region) that's on you. There is plenty to do. It's like saying there's nothing to do in Harrisonburg; there is plenty to do in Harrisonburg.

Was thinking this morning about how many people out there must be JMU/NDSU fatigued. Probably every other fan base wishes they could be in Frisco and spite these two teams for "always" being there.

There's plenty to do in Washington DC (50 times more than Frisco)- it does not mean I want to spend a weekend or a vacation there (25 miles away) there every year.

While I'm sure there are some fans on both sides that might like to see different teams, I've not seen or heard much fatigue over the teams. Mine and I think others is if you are going to spend thousands of dollars on a day or two trip it would be nice to have it at a place that has complimentary weather and things to do not only us, but more so the rest of our family.

Deez, I don't think you are quite to the point in your life where you have to consider the family, and do we do this mini-vac in frisco again, or watch on TV and do the a mini vaca somewhere else?

Most or at least a significant amount of us on here are fathers. You kind of question yourself on if it is fair to spend this kinda $ on something that is not as fun for the rest of the family. Don't get me wrong my wife, DJ, and DJ2 all love the games & are JMU fans, but I know if I asked them would they rather spend $2,000 to go to Frisco for 24 hours, or watch the game on TV, and another weekend spend that $2,000 to head to Orlando, San Antonio, or New Orleans, etc. - there is no doubt in my mind what they would choose.

That's why I said this is the first year I considered not going, and watching on TV. It's options in life, and you have to consider the whole picture not only for yourself, but your family, or spouse.

If it was different teams reaching the NC each year there would not be the location fatigue. I was excited about Frisco the first time. I was ok with it last time. While I excited about the game, I'm dreading Frisco this time. Other than the NC - why am I paying this kinda money to go to Frisco? If different teams went on an annual basis as in the past, keeping it in the same place so long would not be an issue since you may only go once every 5-10 years. Same place 3 times in the last three years for JMU, and for NDSU 8th time in 8 years - that's not that exciting.

Like the NC in spite of Frisco for me "this" year.

Very well said.....Frisco, TX is simply NOT a destination location that anyone would ever go to without the National Championship game. Sure it is great for the Frisco economy and they embrace it.......but my guess is almost any locality would for a serious infusion of cash in early January.

I have spent a bit of time in the DFW area, it is fun for adults or couples.....but pretty lacking for a family compared to other locations that are also more of destination locations. A mini-vaca to Frisco, TX is a hard sell to the family after you have done it once given other options.

Neither is
Chattanooga (1997-2009)
Huntington, WV (1992-2006)
Statesboro, GA (1989-1991)
Pocatello, ID (1987-1988)
Tacoma, WA (1985-1986)

Before anyone says but with Tacoma you have Seattle 35 miles away, with Frisco you have Dallas 30 miles away).

What the hell is a Pocatello, ID?

(01-08-2020 11:53 AM)Potomac Wrote:  What would be great about Orlando is my family will still love it. Richmond to Orlando southwest flights are as cheap as flights get and I could confidently book them the moment those dates go on sale every year.

What if JMU doesn't go? Well, we'll just make it a theme park trip for a quick weekend instead, or cancel and reschedule for a weekend that may not be as crowded with freakin bison everywhere.

More than likely I would still go to a championship game regardless who is playing.

(01-09-2020 03:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 11:23 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 10:36 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 08:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  If you're bored with "Frisco" (Dallas region) that's on you. There is plenty to do. It's like saying there's nothing to do in Harrisonburg; there is plenty to do in Harrisonburg.

Was thinking this morning about how many people out there must be JMU/NDSU fatigued. Probably every other fan base wishes they could be in Frisco and spite these two teams for "always" being there.

There's plenty to do in Washington DC (50 times more than Frisco)- it does not mean I want to spend a weekend or a vacation there (25 miles away) there every year.

While I'm sure there are some fans on both sides that might like to see different teams, I've not seen or heard much fatigue over the teams. Mine and I think others is if you are going to spend thousands of dollars on a day or two trip it would be nice to have it at a place that has complimentary weather and things to do not only us, but more so the rest of our family.

Deez, I don't think you are quite to the point in your life where you have to consider the family, and do we do this mini-vac in frisco again, or watch on TV and do the a mini vaca somewhere else?

Most or at least a significant amount of us on here are fathers. You kind of question yourself on if it is fair to spend this kinda $ on something that is not as fun for the rest of the family. Don't get me wrong my wife, DJ, and DJ2 all love the games & are JMU fans, but I know if I asked them would they rather spend $2,000 to go to Frisco for 24 hours, or watch the game on TV, and another weekend spend that $2,000 to head to Orlando, San Antonio, or New Orleans, etc. - there is no doubt in my mind what they would choose.

That's why I said this is the first year I considered not going, and watching on TV. It's options in life, and you have to consider the whole picture not only for yourself, but your family, or spouse.

If it was different teams reaching the NC each year there would not be the location fatigue. I was excited about Frisco the first time. I was ok with it last time. While I excited about the game, I'm dreading Frisco this time. Other than the NC - why am I paying this kinda money to go to Frisco? If different teams went on an annual basis as in the past, keeping it in the same place so long would not be an issue since you may only go once every 5-10 years. Same place 3 times in the last three years for JMU, and for NDSU 8th time in 8 years - that's not that exciting.

Like the NC in spite of Frisco for me "this" year.

Very well said.....Frisco, TX is simply NOT a destination location that anyone would ever go to without the National Championship game. Sure it is great for the Frisco economy and they embrace it.......but my guess is almost any locality would for a serious infusion of cash in early January.

I have spent a bit of time in the DFW area, it is fun for adults or couples.....but pretty lacking for a family compared to other locations that are also more of destination locations. A mini-vaca to Frisco, TX is a hard sell to the family after you have done it once given other options.

Neither is
Chattanooga (1997-2009)
Huntington, WV (1992-2006)
Statesboro, GA (1989-1991)
Pocatello, ID (1987-1988)
Tacoma, WA (1985-1986)

Before anyone says but with Tacoma you have Seattle 35 miles away, with Frisco you have Dallas 30 miles away).

So your point is - we've had this model for the many years, so it must be ok?

One think I do like there is the moving of the site each 2-3 like happened in the 80' and early 90's.

(01-09-2020 01:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the really disingenuous thing is to paint Frisco as bad just because the weather is again going to be crappy.

all you have to do is look at the week before and the week after gameday. the weather was great.

it's just pretty rotten and incredible bad luck that bad day hits us on gameday and travel day.

Average January weather:

Frisco = High 55 & Low 33
Orlando = High 71 & low 51

Frisco pretty much averages a "freezing" low in January.

Huge difference IMO

(01-09-2020 03:31 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 01:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the really disingenuous thing is to paint Frisco as bad just because the weather is again going to be crappy.

all you have to do is look at the week before and the week after gameday. the weather was great.

it's just pretty rotten and incredible bad luck that bad day hits us on gameday and travel day.

Average January weather:

Frisco = High 55 & Low 33
Orlando = High 71 & low 51

Frisco pretty much averages a "freezing" low in January.

Huge difference IMO

Frisco = bid to host
Orlando = did not bid to host

MASSIVE difference IMO

(01-09-2020 08:40 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  If you're bored with "Frisco" (Dallas region) that's on you. There is plenty to do. It's like saying there's nothing to do in Harrisonburg; there is plenty to do in Harrisonburg.

Was thinking this morning about how many people out there must be JMU/NDSU fatigued. Probably every other fan base wishes they could be in Frisco and spite these two teams for "always" being there.

Visiting Harrisonburg doesn't cost $3000, Wife and I taking a vacation day from work, kids out of school for a day. There's nothing wrong with Frisco for a football game, It's just not a good value, family wise.

(01-09-2020 12:44 PM)NC Tribe Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 11:04 AM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  Also wtf this weather i'm tired of being stressed for Frisco travel. I travel for work and it seems like the only time I have issues with my flights is when I'm trying to go to freaking Dallas

You don't fly in and out of O'Hare like I do.

Atlanta is awful in the summer, but Oh'Hare is bad winter and summer.

Go dukes!

Funny, two of the airports I try to avoid are Atlanta and O'Hare. seems like I always get screwed up in Atlanta for no reason, O'Hare in the winter but that can be expected in the winter.

In Summary

I don't hate Frisco
I think Frisco/Dallas has a ton of restaurants and hotels.
I enjoyed Frisco in 2016.
Didn't even mind going a second time.
I realize that on average Frisco is about 10 degrees warmer than Washington DC in January.

I've never chosen to vacation in Frisco or Dallas. Would not be on the top of my top 50 list for the US, and I would not tell my neighbor - "Looking to vacation this year? You should head to Frisco Texas."

If I was just looking to go the the NC, tailgate, throw down many drinks and go out to eat it really does not matter where I go. I appreciate and respect those that feel that way. On the flip side, please appreciate that there are many families and even individuals that if they spend $2,000 for a family of four that would prefer it to have better weather, and a fresh city, and more activity options.

I enjoyed going to Chattanooga because it was new, but I would of tired of that too if we went three times in three years. "To me and my family" it would take many years to get bored of Orlando. My wife (as would my kids) would love to go to Riverwalk, Orlando, New Orleans, Miami, NY, Portland, etc. Some due to the city, others due to a new place.

Once again I'm not dissing Frisco, or those that would be fine if the NC never moved from Frisco. I'm just saying it does matter to me and apparently a lot of others.

I'm not calling names to people that are fine continuing to go to Frisco, but it's alright for us other that are not fine with it.

In reality - hopefully by the time this contract is up it will be a moot point because we will be FBS.

(01-09-2020 03:33 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 03:31 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 01:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the really disingenuous thing is to paint Frisco as bad just because the weather is again going to be crappy.

all you have to do is look at the week before and the week after gameday. the weather was great.

it's just pretty rotten and incredible bad luck that bad day hits us on gameday and travel day.

Average January weather:

Frisco = High 55 & Low 33
Orlando = High 71 & low 51

Frisco pretty much averages a "freezing" low in January.

Huge difference IMO

Frisco = bid to host
Orlando = did not bid to host

MASSIVE difference IMO

Since you brought it up, this has been something I wondered about.

What does a city offer to bid on the game? Do they offer the NCAA money to host it there? How much does the NCAA get for having the game there?

And I mention Orlando because it's my number 1, but why could the NCAA not paid for to rent a soccer stadium in Florida, CA, New Orleans, Washington DC, etc?

I assume the city probably offers assistance from their chamber of commerce to promote it. Is that that beneficial?

What is it that Frisco bid for the game that was so massive? DD, do you know that Orlando did not bid on the FCS NC? The whole bid thing... I've always wondered about that. Did Frisco guarantee to buy 1,000 seats? I doubt Frisco paid the NCAA $1,000,000 each year to play the game in Frisco, less stadium rental of course.

(01-09-2020 01:08 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  The 3rd trip to Orlando for an FCS championship game could get old too. Look I'm not disagreeing with moving it, I'm not disagreeing that Frisco is an average place to hold it - this is backed up by the fact that there are hundreds, a thousand+? tickets out there on the market. People aren't as interested in following JMU all the way to Frisco as they once were. I can live with that and people's choices/priorities. But to paint Dallas as a subpar region to host I think is disingenuous.

But Dallas is subpar.

Here's some hard facts.

9 months after attending the Atlanta Olympics DJ was born.

9 month after attending the 2004 NC DJ 2 was born.

No new babies the last three years.

(01-09-2020 04:24 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Here's some hard facts.

9 months after attending the Atlanta Olympics DJ was born.

9 month after attending the 2004 NC DJ 2 was born.

No new babies the last three years.

(01-09-2020 04:24 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Here's some hard facts.

9 months after attending the Atlanta Olympics DJ was born.

9 month after attending the 2004 NC DJ 2 was born.

No new babies the last three years.

(01-09-2020 04:13 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 03:33 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 03:31 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 01:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  the really disingenuous thing is to paint Frisco as bad just because the weather is again going to be crappy.

all you have to do is look at the week before and the week after gameday. the weather was great.

it's just pretty rotten and incredible bad luck that bad day hits us on gameday and travel day.

Average January weather:

Frisco = High 55 & Low 33
Orlando = High 71 & low 51

Frisco pretty much averages a "freezing" low in January.

Huge difference IMO

Frisco = bid to host
Orlando = did not bid to host

MASSIVE difference IMO

Since you brought it up, this has been something I wondered about.

What does a city offer to bid on the game? Do they offer the NCAA money to host it there? How much does the NCAA get for having the game there?

And I mention Orlando because it's my number 1, but why could the NCAA not paid for to rent a soccer stadium in Florida, CA, New Orleans, Washington DC, etc?

I assume the city probably offers assistance from their chamber of commerce to promote it. Is that that beneficial?

What is it that Frisco bid for the game that was so massive? DD, do you know that Orlando did not bid on the FCS NC? The whole bid thing... I've always wondered about that. Did Frisco guarantee to buy 1,000 seats? I doubt Frisco paid the NCAA $1,000,000 each year to play the game in Frisco, less stadium rental of course.

Another positive for Orlando - their soccer team is purple including the stadium/seating. Would make for a much nicer photo!