If someone was busted we would have heard already. There is one player I haven't seen on the sidelines for a few games, though.

The post is a good thing. I'm happy and proud that we haven't had any of these issues this time.

(01-08-2020 09:42 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  If someone was busted we would have heard already. There is one player I haven't seen on the sidelines for a few games, though.

The post is a good thing. I'm happy and proud that we haven't had any of these issues this time.

JMU posted their 2 deep for the title game.....looks like the standard, expected 2 deep.

(01-08-2020 09:03 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

love it

(01-08-2020 07:16 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 10:43 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  You’re right, saying somebody is dumb and selfish for getting suspended for a national championship game was pretty damn dumb. And thinking one suspension was more honorable than the other was brilliant.

Nowhere did i say it was honorable but keep trying. You probably think Bonds is the legitimate homerun king too

Nope, think Bonds and every other PED user was wrong. Rules are rules and when you break them you must face the consequences, when you do it this time of the year you’re selfish and dumb. And your comment of “I see a big difference in that” is you clearly thinking our suspensions were more justifiable.

(01-08-2020 11:10 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 07:16 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 10:43 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  You’re right, saying somebody is dumb and selfish for getting suspended for a national championship game was pretty damn dumb. And thinking one suspension was more honorable than the other was brilliant.

Nowhere did i say it was honorable but keep trying. You probably think Bonds is the legitimate homerun king too

Nope, think Bonds and every other PED user was wrong. Rules are rules and when you break them you must face the consequences, when you do it this time of the year you’re selfish and dumb. And your comment of “I see a big difference in that” is you clearly thinking our suspensions were more justifiable.

Did I miss the news flash, where Bonds ever failed a drug test and was suspended? It is not what you think, it is what happened. He never failed.

Way to keep this on topic and now make it a baseball
PED thing. He did test positive and likely won’t be in the HoF due to his usage. BTW, It’s easy to miss the news flash since it was so many years ago.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112982

“According to the indictment, the anabolic steroids were detected in Bonds' system during a November 2000 test. That was almost three years prior to the implementation of a testing program by Major League Baseball. Bonds hit 49 home runs, then a career high, in 2000. The next season, he hit a major league-record 73 home runs.

An attorney familiar with the investigation told ESPN that the government obtained the results of positive steroids tests for Bonds during a search of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), the Burlingame, Calif.-based supplements lab at the center of the steroid scandal. Agents also had access to a storage locker where BALCO clients' files were maintained.

BALCO founder Victor Conte told ESPN.com on Thursday night that the test result likely came from his lab, saying that it was common for the lab to refer samples from athletes for testing. At the time, those tests were performed by Quest Diagnostics outside San Diego.

Three months after the BALCO raid, on Dec. 4, 2003, Bonds testified under a grant of immunity before a federal grand jury in San Francisco. According to the indictment, Bonds was informed of the positive test.”

(01-08-2020 12:23 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Way to keep this on topic and now make it a baseball
PED thing. He did test positive and likely won’t be in the HoF due to his usage. BTW, It’s easy to miss the news flash since it was so many years ago.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112982

“According to the indictment, the anabolic steroids were detected in Bonds' system during a November 2000 test. That was almost three years prior to the implementation of a testing program by Major League Baseball. Bonds hit 49 home runs, then a career high, in 2000. The next season, he hit a major league-record 73 home runs.

An attorney familiar with the investigation told ESPN that the government obtained the results of positive steroids tests for Bonds during a search of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), the Burlingame, Calif.-based supplements lab at the center of the steroid scandal. Agents also had access to a storage locker where BALCO clients' files were maintained.

BALCO founder Victor Conte told ESPN.com on Thursday night that the test result likely came from his lab, saying that it was common for the lab to refer samples from athletes for testing. At the time, those tests were performed by Quest Diagnostics outside San Diego.

Three months after the BALCO raid, on Dec. 4, 2003, Bonds testified under a grant of immunity before a federal grand jury in San Francisco. According to the indictment, Bonds was informed of the positive test.”

I thought we were talking about actual tests that involve suspension, fines, etc.......Does a test that occurred prior to MLB even have relevance. I should have said Bonds was never suspended/fined based on the MLB testing process.

Hey there are a lot of dudes in the NFL HoF that took steroids too before there was testing in the NFL.

I did not bring up baseball nor Bonds by the way.

(01-08-2020 11:10 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 07:16 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 10:43 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  You’re right, saying somebody is dumb and selfish for getting suspended for a national championship game was pretty damn dumb. And thinking one suspension was more honorable than the other was brilliant.

Nowhere did i say it was honorable but keep trying. You probably think Bonds is the legitimate homerun king too

Nope, think Bonds and every other PED user was wrong. Rules are rules and when you break them you must face the consequences, when you do it this time of the year you’re selfish and dumb. And your comment of “I see a big difference in that” is you clearly thinking our suspensions were more justifiable.

Oh so now its justifiable and not honorable as you said i called them before. Try harder. I called both suspensions dumb on the players part in my first post but i do see a difference in the 2 suspensions. One gives you an unfair advantage on the field.

(01-08-2020 12:34 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 11:10 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 07:16 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 10:43 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  You’re right, saying somebody is dumb and selfish for getting suspended for a national championship game was pretty damn dumb. And thinking one suspension was more honorable than the other was brilliant.

Nowhere did i say it was honorable but keep trying. You probably think Bonds is the legitimate homerun king too

Nope, think Bonds and every other PED user was wrong. Rules are rules and when you break them you must face the consequences, when you do it this time of the year you’re selfish and dumb. And your comment of “I see a big difference in that” is you clearly thinking our suspensions were more justifiable.

Oh so now its justifiable and not honorable as you said i called them before. Try harder. I called both suspensions dumb on the players part in my first post but i do see a difference in the 2 suspensions. One gives you an unfair advantage on the field.

Nice try but your first post is below and how you maintain there is a difference still implies you’re putting value/honor/legitimacy/on one over the other. Like hey our guys got suspended too but at least they were only smoking dope and didn’t use PEDs...“ You did say both were dumb in a later post after I called you out, but had you said both were dumb in your first post I never would’ve responded.

(01-07-2020 07:29 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  JMU's players were suspend for weed, NDSU had players suspend for PEDs. I see a big difference in that

(01-08-2020 12:52 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 12:34 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 11:10 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 07:16 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 10:43 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  You’re right, saying somebody is dumb and selfish for getting suspended for a national championship game was pretty damn dumb. And thinking one suspension was more honorable than the other was brilliant.

Nowhere did i say it was honorable but keep trying. You probably think Bonds is the legitimate homerun king too

Nope, think Bonds and every other PED user was wrong. Rules are rules and when you break them you must face the consequences, when you do it this time of the year you’re selfish and dumb. And your comment of “I see a big difference in that” is you clearly thinking our suspensions were more justifiable.

Oh so now its justifiable and not honorable as you said i called them before. Try harder. I called both suspensions dumb on the players part in my first post but i do see a difference in the 2 suspensions. One gives you an unfair advantage on the field.

Nice try but your first post is below and how you maintain there is a difference still implies you’re putting value/honor/legitimacy/on one over the other. Like hey our guys got suspended too but at least they were only smoking dope and didn’t use PEDs...“ You did say both were dumb in a later post after I called you out, but had you said both were dumb in your first post I never would’ve responded.

(01-07-2020 07:29 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  JMU's players were suspend for weed, NDSU had players suspend for PEDs. I see a big difference in that

To continue to beat it, two people break laws. One guy kills someone and one guy robs a store. One is worse in my opinion but neither are good. Same concept but you cant seem to get that through your head.

Nice try to take this even further from the original point, but the end result for both suspensions would mean is each team is without their player for the championship game. Try getting that through your head.

(01-08-2020 05:12 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

Nice try to take this even further from the original point, but the end result for both suspensions would mean is each team is without their player for the championship game. Try getting that through your head.

Trying to provide an analogy to help you understand that while both result in suspensions I believe there is a difference in level of offense in terms of the character of the individual but it seems like that is over your head

Lets just be glad we're debating things that happened in the past and not this year

Saturday cant come soon enough

(01-07-2020 07:29 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  JMU's players were suspend for weed, NDSU had players suspend for PEDs. I see a big difference in that

Just an FYI, it was a single NDSU player and we're about 95% certain the PED was caffeine. No joke. Everything points to him taking too much of a pre-workout supplement that is high in caffeine.



And to answer a different question that popped up in this thread, the NCAA uses a third-party to randomly test 18 players from each team either just before or just after every playoff game. That means both of our teams have each been tested 54 times so far with 18 tests left to go.

On a side note, in the recent Frisco Bowl, Utah State’s QB played after declaring for the draft and then getting arrested for weed. He was hyped as a potential 1st round pick and then went out and was outplayed by a QB that began the season on the bench.

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/utah-state...-athletes/

(01-07-2020 08:11 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  WHYYYYYYYYYYYY would you post this a few days before the game!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not superstitious, just a little stitious.

We need an exorcist!

(01-08-2020 07:45 PM)Hammersmith Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 07:29 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  JMU's players were suspend for weed, NDSU had players suspend for PEDs. I see a big difference in that

Just an FYI, it was a single NDSU player and we're about 95% certain the PED was caffeine. No joke. Everything points to him taking too much of a pre-workout supplement that is high in caffeine.



And to answer a different question that popped up in this thread, the NCAA uses a third-party to randomly test 18 players from each team either just before or just after every playoff game. That means both of our teams have each been tested 54 times so far with 18 tests left to go.

Same for our guys; they were just eating a LOT of poppy-seed bagels.

(01-08-2020 07:45 PM)Hammersmith Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 07:29 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  JMU's players were suspend for weed, NDSU had players suspend for PEDs. I see a big difference in that

Just an FYI, it was a single NDSU player and we're about 95% certain the PED was caffeine. No joke. Everything points to him taking too much of a pre-workout supplement that is high in caffeine.



And to answer a different question that popped up in this thread, the NCAA uses a third-party to randomly test 18 players from each team either just before or just after every playoff game. That means both of our teams have each been tested 54 times so far with 18 tests left to go.

Is there a source for the 18 players for every playoff game? My memory fails me plenty of times but I'm like 99% sure that wasn't the case a handful of years ago.

This is a lame thread heading into a national championship game where we have have not have these issues this season. IMO. Go Dukes!


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(01-09-2020 07:09 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(01-08-2020 07:45 PM)Hammersmith Wrote:  And to answer a different question that popped up in this thread, the NCAA uses a third-party to randomly test 18 players from each team either just before or just after every playoff game. That means both of our teams have each been tested 54 times so far with 18 tests left to go.

Is there a source for the 18 players for every playoff game? My memory fails me plenty of times but I'm like 99% sure that wasn't the case a handful of years ago.

I'm trying to find it, but not having any luck at the moment. I'm pretty sure it was in one of the FCS playoffs/championship handbooks. This year's books just have a vague "we can test you at any time" warning.

It came up a year ago because of the one player from the Bison that failed a test in the semis and lost his entire senior season(would have been this current season). The school and the family never said exactly which substance he tested positive for, but both said it was a stimulant and not an illicit, steroid, or HGH type drug.

The player's mom(a former NDSU WBB player from our DII championship years) was very upset and went to the media, claiming the substance was introduced by an NDSU staff member and was being used by many in the locker room. A former player hinted that the guy in question was a motivational coach hired by our then head coach. The guy is also a rep for a company that makes pre-workout supplements that contain caffeine.

We also looked into things and caffeine is one of the NCAA banned substances if you use it at high enough levels(equivalent of consuming a full six-pack of 20oz Mountain Dews within two or three hours). In this case, it would take a double dose of the supplement to get you into the testing danger range. We think several players do take this supplement or another like it, but everyone else was using it according to the directions. We found the testing requirements because we wanted to point out to those rivals attacking us back then that there was no way there could be widespread use of a normal banned substance like steroids considering how much the Bison have been tested over the last decade.