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(01-11-2020 12:46 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  FCS as a whole should miss us more than the SOCON. That division is so watered down and weak it’s depressing. Now when the MAC wises up and drops down as a league they’ll be in better shape. Let the big boys in the south play big boy football, let the rust belt states compete for their wooden plaque.

You are right about the MAC. There is always one decent squad that comes out of there each year, but it's rarely the same team on top year to year, which is not good. You want the consistency of top teams with others rotating in and out from time to time. Not to mention their attendance is woeful in that league. This is something App State, and to a lesser extent, Ga Southern, UL and Troy have provided the Fun Belt. This is probably the main reason y'all have passed CUSA in the last half decade or so.
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(01-10-2020 01:22 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 11:47 AM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 11:12 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 11:09 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Good. I like Coastal more. UTC's stadium is "big enough" but kind of a dump.

yeah, but there's an awesome bar/bowling alley/bar games spot right across the street from it.

Downtown Chattanooga, and the city as a whole, has transformed tremendously, over the last two decades. The stadium was built in 1997, but hasn't had many upgrades since then. But as I already stated, the transformation of the area around the stadium, is pretty amazing.

my wife is from Chattanooga. I love it there. Lots of stuff to do for adults and for the kids.
We hope to move there eventually

My girlfriend and I both went there, and would highly consider a move there, if a job came up. We live in Memphis now, which is where we're both from.
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(01-11-2020 05:10 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 01:22 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 11:47 AM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 11:12 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 11:09 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Good. I like Coastal more. UTC's stadium is "big enough" but kind of a dump.

yeah, but there's an awesome bar/bowling alley/bar games spot right across the street from it.

Downtown Chattanooga, and the city as a whole, has transformed tremendously, over the last two decades. The stadium was built in 1997, but hasn't had many upgrades since then. But as I already stated, the transformation of the area around the stadium, is pretty amazing.

my wife is from Chattanooga. I love it there. Lots of stuff to do for adults and for the kids.
We hope to move there eventually

My girlfriend and I both went there, and would highly consider a move there, if a job came up. We live in Memphis now, which is where we're both from.

nice. I actually just flew into memphis this morning. I flew home from Memphis Thursday last week, flew back in this morning to pick up my truck and work my way back to Ga.
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(01-11-2020 05:08 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 12:46 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  FCS as a whole should miss us more than the SOCON. That division is so watered down and weak it’s depressing. Now when the MAC wises up and drops down as a league they’ll be in better shape. Let the big boys in the south play big boy football, let the rust belt states compete for their wooden plaque.

You are right about the MAC. There is always one decent squad that comes out of there each year, but it's rarely the same team on top year to year, which is not good. You want the consistency of top teams with others rotating in and out from time to time. Not to mention their attendance is woeful in that league. This is something App State, and to a lesser extent, Ga Southern, UL and Troy have provided the Fun Belt. This is probably the main reason y'all have passed CUSA in the last half decade or so.

The MAC needs to invite North Dakota State yesterday! Yeah it's a long way out there but they'd come in and rip that conference to shreds year in and year out giving them at least one legitimate football culture.
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Not sure if the SoCon misses GS and App that much but I am sure I don't miss them at all.
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The SoCon was hit really hard by realignment several years back.

They were nine teams for football, 12 overall, and they lost three football members and two non-football including Davidson.

So they got whittled down to 7. Impressive that basketball has gotten much better, but man has football taken a hit without App, GS, and even Elon. Head scratcher about adding VMI when they could've had Kennesaw State.
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(01-16-2020 09:25 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  The SoCon was hit really hard by realignment several years back.

They were nine teams for football, 12 overall, and they lost three football members and two non-football including Davidson.

So they got whittled down to 7. Impressive that basketball has gotten much better, but man has football taken a hit without App, GS, and even Elon. Head scratcher about adding VMI when they could've had Kennesaw State.

They were members of the conference from 1924-2003 so that probably carried some weight in the decision. Plus VMI fits well with the current members prestige-wise compared to Kennesaw
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The SOCon would prefer to pick academic programs for an athletic conference, helps them feel better about themselves as they sink further into obscurity.

The lack of leadership was mind blowing.
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(01-18-2020 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The SOCon would prefer to pick academic programs for an athletic conference, helps them feel better about themselves as they sink further into obscurity.

The lack of leadership was mind blowing.

The reason I began referring to it as the SmallCon.
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(01-18-2020 01:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The SOCon would prefer to pick academic programs for an athletic conference, helps them feel better about themselves as they sink further into obscurity.

The lack of leadership was mind blowing.

The reason I began referring to it as the SmallCon.

To be fair...who else would we propose the SoCon pick? There arnt any good options. I'm of the opinion that the MEAC, SWAC and Ivy League (none of which participate in the FCS Playoffs) move to DII. Combine DII and DIII into a massive organization.

Move NDSU, Montana, Jacksonville State and JMU up...I think they are the last of the FCSers who have the fan base to handle FBS...and call it a day. Then reconfigure are G5, FCS and DII conferences strictly based on geography and boom its done.

But that's saves too much money, makes too much money and creates rivalries....so it'll never happen.
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(01-18-2020 02:08 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 01:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The SOCon would prefer to pick academic programs for an athletic conference, helps them feel better about themselves as they sink further into obscurity.

The lack of leadership was mind blowing.

The reason I began referring to it as the SmallCon.

To be fair...who else would we propose the SoCon pick? There arnt any good options. I'm of the opinion that the MEAC, SWAC and Ivy League (none of which participate in the FCS Playoffs) move to DII. Combine DII and DIII into a massive organization.

Move NDSU, Montana, Jacksonville State and JMU up...I think they are the last of the FCSers who have the fan base to handle FBS...and call it a day. Then reconfigure are G5, FCS and DII conferences strictly based on geography and boom its done.

But that's saves too much money, makes too much money and creates rivalries....so it'll never happen.

Kennesaw State, Coastal Carolina, Hampton (a good academic and athletic fit), and NC A&T were available. Maybe Jacksonville State, too. Belmont would have been a decent fill in for Davidson/CofC.
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(01-18-2020 02:08 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 01:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The SOCon would prefer to pick academic programs for an athletic conference, helps them feel better about themselves as they sink further into obscurity.

The lack of leadership was mind blowing.

The reason I began referring to it as the SmallCon.

To be fair...who else would we propose the SoCon pick? There arnt any good options. I'm of the opinion that the MEAC, SWAC and Ivy League (none of which participate in the FCS Playoffs) move to DII. Combine DII and DIII into a massive organization.

Move NDSU, Montana, Jacksonville State and JMU up...I think they are the last of the FCSers who have the fan base to handle FBS...and call it a day. Then reconfigure are G5, FCS and DII conferences strictly based on geography and boom its done.

But that's saves too much money, makes too much money and creates rivalries....so it'll never happen.

Could've picked up Lenoir-Rhyne, if they wanted to make the move up. Would be interesting to see what FCS in Hickory would look like.
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Lenoir-Rhyne has less than 2,000 students...


Soon as App/GS bounced the SoCon should have targeted KSU for their 2015 start-up season and Murray State. Murray State's BBall might have saved the SoCon from losing Elon and Davidson.
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(01-20-2020 02:41 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Lenoir-Rhyne has less than 2,000 students...


Soon as App/GS bounced the SoCon should have targeted KSU for their 2015 start-up season and Murray State. Murray State's BBall might have saved the SoCon from losing Elon and Davidson.

Great points! I hate to bash VMI because they turn out I'm sure a lot of men and women who serve out country, but athletically they were not a sensible addition to the conference. Its seems they were added just because they used to be in the SoCon, when a number if better athletic additions were there for the taking.

I read up on some articles from around 2013 or so, when all this was changing, and Elon seemed to be the one that disturbed the remaining universities the most, in part because Elon announced they were leaving after VMI, ETSU, and Mercer were voted in.

From https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/spor...on/108960/

"In recent years, it became increasingly evident that Elon's negative view of the diversity in the Southern Conference was not shared by the majority of the membership," Iamarino said.

It's good to be out of the SoCon, but I certainly didn't wish ill will towards them. (I'm from Greenville, SC originally and have a soft spot for Furman.) And while basketball has gone well of late, the league in football is nothing compared to what it was.

Anyway, the Sun Belt has been good for App. I'm hoping basketball continues to improve so that in this league we can shed the idea that we are only a football school.
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(01-20-2020 02:41 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Lenoir-Rhyne has less than 2,000 students...


Soon as App/GS bounced the SoCon should have targeted KSU for their 2015 start-up season and Murray State. Murray State's BBall might have saved the SoCon from losing Elon and Davidson.

I grew up about 5 miles from LR's campus. It's TEEEENY TINY.

That said LR was a 2 seed in the DII playoffs this year, nationally ranked all season. They seem to have something going. SOCON out to keep an en eye on them.
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(01-19-2020 12:54 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 02:08 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 01:56 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 10:46 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The SOCon would prefer to pick academic programs for an athletic conference, helps them feel better about themselves as they sink further into obscurity.

The lack of leadership was mind blowing.

The reason I began referring to it as the SmallCon.

To be fair...who else would we propose the SoCon pick? There arnt any good options. I'm of the opinion that the MEAC, SWAC and Ivy League (none of which participate in the FCS Playoffs) move to DII. Combine DII and DIII into a massive organization.

Move NDSU, Montana, Jacksonville State and JMU up...I think they are the last of the FCSers who have the fan base to handle FBS...and call it a day. Then reconfigure are G5, FCS and DII conferences strictly based on geography and boom its done.

But that's saves too much money, makes too much money and creates rivalries....so it'll never happen.

Kennesaw State, Coastal Carolina, Hampton (a good academic and athletic fit), and NC A&T were available. Maybe Jacksonville State, too. Belmont would have been a decent fill in for Davidson/CofC.

Belmont was by far the best fit for the SoCon. ETSU, WCU and UTC are much better fits for the OVC.
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The shift southward in the SoCon from 70's to today is dramatic.
1970: Citadel, Davidson, ECU, Furman, Richmond, VMI, William & Mary (3 VA, 2 NC, 2 SC)
1975: App State, Citadel, Davidson, East Carolina, Furman, Richmond, VMI, William & Mary (3 VA, 3 NC, 2 SC)
1980: App State, Citadel, ETSU, Furman, Marshall, UTC, VMI, WCU (1 VA, 2 NC, 2 SC, 2 TN, 1 WVA)
1985: App State, Citadel, Davidson, ETSU, Furman, Marshall, UTC, VMI, WCU (3 NC, 2 SC, 2 TN, 1 VA, 1 WVA)
1995: App State, Citadel, Davidson, ETSU, Furman, GA Southern, Marshall, UTC, VMI, WCU (3 NC, 2 SC, 2 TN, 1GA, 1 Va, 1 WVA)
2000: App State, Citadel, Charleston, Davidson, ETSU, Furman, GA So, UNCG, UTC, VMI, WCU, Wofford (4 NC, 4 SC, 2 TN, 1 GA, 1 VA)
2005: App State, Citadel, Charleston, Davidson, Elon, ETSU, Furman, GA So, UNCG, UTC, WCU, Wofford (5 NC, 4 SC, 2 TN, 1 GA)
2010: App State, Citadel, Charleston, Davidson, Elon, Furman, GA So, UNCG, Samford, UTC, WCU, Wofford (5 NC, 4 SC, 1 TN, 1 GA, 1 AL)
2015: Citadel, ETSU, Furman, Mercer, UNCG, Samford, UTC, VMI, WCU, Wofford (3 SC, 2 NC, 2 TN, 1 GA, 1 AL, 1 VA)
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