Am I salty about losing to Tulane? -- you betcha. Let me state for the record UC lost because of poor rebounding, second half turnovers and an impressive ft shooting performance by, frankly, a good ft shooting team. Hats off.

But my god, this is the 5th AAC game this year that I have been aghast at how poor our collection of officials are. This crew couldn't understand what a goaltend was (both ways), often times missed pretty basic out of bounds calls and missed nearly every block/charge in favor of a charge call. They even delayed the game by 60 seconds to call a delay of game penalty on the bench during live ball play.

Is our league worse than other leagues? I watch a handful of big ten, big 12, sec and acc games throughout the week and I never see some of the sloppy 8th grade level sh*t I see from the AAC crews. Is this confirmation bias?

For sake of argument, let's ignore TV Teddy and focus on some of the more regular crews. I think the most egregious and widespread issue is the block/charge. Charge should generally be 30% of the calls to 70% blocks. Sliding under a player in the air is not basketball -- it's dangerous and should never be rewarded.

There are no conference refs in basketball.

Ed Hightower sucks for lots of conferences.

Bearcats fans complaining about refs after a loss. Must be a day ending in “y”.

College ref's are not real good period. It is what it is...

While refs are no longer affiliated by conference, I've been told that the "best" crews draw the biggest games with prime time television audiences. Clearly, not all officiating crews are created equal. The best crews are known. Look for them to be regularly assigned to the elite basketball conferences to officiate Duke v. UNC or KY vs. Louisville; not UC vs. Tulane.

Another dubious benefit of being P6.

So glad Karl Hess retired, that guy was the worst. Even though refs are not affiliated with conferences, I betcha some are actually taking bribes or sent money for calling a “good” game. The other stuff I can put up with. Good thing 1 game does not make or break the season.

(01-06-2020 08:39 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  While refs are no longer affiliated by conference, I've been told that the "best" crews draw the biggest games with prime time television audiences. Clearly, not all officiating crews are created equal. The best crews are known. Look for them to be regularly assigned to the elite basketball conferences to officiate Duke v. UNC or KY vs. Louisville; not UC vs. Tulane.

Another dubious benefit of being P6.

Do you know if they are graded internally?

Most Saturday games at Tulane or ECU are going to be assigned **** refs. That is the reality of this conference.

Even in a 30+ point win the Refs are atrocious.

https://twitter.com/UCBarstool/status/12...63776?s=20

(01-09-2020 01:13 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  Even in a 30+ point win the Refs are atrocious.

https://twitter.com/ucbarstool/status/12...63776?s=21

Your link doesn't work (at least for me) but if that was the video of Jarron's "charge", it was one of the worst calls I've seen this year. Yes the refs are terrible but I take a little solace knowing it normally goes both ways..

The thing that gets me is how absolutely everything is a charge now.. blocks aren't an option. You used to have to be very strategic if you wanted to slide in under a guy driving to the basket.. now it doesn't matter - just get in the way.

(01-09-2020 01:47 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 01:13 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  Even in a 30+ point win the Refs are atrocious.

https://twitter.com/ucbarstool/status/12...63776?s=21

Your link doesn't work (at least for me) but if that was the video of Jarron's "charge", it was one of the worst calls I've seen this year. Yes the refs are terrible but I take a little solace knowing it normally goes both ways..

The thing that gets me is how absolutely everything is a charge now.. blocks aren't an option. You used to have to be very strategic if you wanted to slide in under a guy driving to the basket.. now it doesn't matter - just get in the way.

Refs are so stunningly bad at the charge block call. NBA does a really good job officiating charge/blocks so it can be done. Tulsa defender started moving while Jarron was taking off, was still sliding under Jarron as the collision happened (and hadn't even really gotten directly in front of him). It's not unique to that call. Refs seem to love calling the charge and use it far too often.

(01-09-2020 02:19 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 01:47 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 01:13 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  Even in a 30+ point win the Refs are atrocious.

https://twitter.com/ucbarstool/status/12...63776?s=21

Your link doesn't work (at least for me) but if that was the video of Jarron's "charge", it was one of the worst calls I've seen this year. Yes the refs are terrible but I take a little solace knowing it normally goes both ways..

The thing that gets me is how absolutely everything is a charge now.. blocks aren't an option. You used to have to be very strategic if you wanted to slide in under a guy driving to the basket.. now it doesn't matter - just get in the way.

Refs are so stunningly bad at the charge block call. NBA does a really good job officiating charge/blocks so it can be done. Tulsa defender started moving while Jarron was taking off, was still sliding under Jarron as the collision happened (and hadn't even really gotten directly in front of him). It's not unique to that call. Refs seem to love calling the charge and use it far too often.

I think they just like the enthusiasm of the arm motion.. same with umps calling a 3rd strike in baseball.

(01-09-2020 01:47 PM)dubcat14 Wrote:  

(01-09-2020 01:13 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  Even in a 30+ point win the Refs are atrocious.

https://twitter.com/ucbarstool/status/12...63776?s=21

Your link doesn't work (at least for me) but if that was the video of Jarron's "charge", it was one of the worst calls I've seen this year. Yes the refs are terrible but I take a little solace knowing it normally goes both ways..

The thing that gets me is how absolutely everything is a charge now.. blocks aren't an option. You used to have to be very strategic if you wanted to slide in under a guy driving to the basket.. now it doesn't matter - just get in the way.

I'll fix the link (it is the "charge"). I've said for a while now the charge foul is an epidemic in cbball. Falling down is not basketball. Period.

(01-06-2020 07:14 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Am I salty about losing to Tulane? -- you betcha. Let me state for the record UC lost because of poor rebounding, second half turnovers and an impressive ft shooting performance by, frankly, a good ft shooting team. Hats off.

But my god, this is the 5th AAC game this year that I have been aghast at how poor our collection of officials are. This crew couldn't understand what a goaltend was (both ways), often times missed pretty basic out of bounds calls and missed nearly every block/charge in favor of a charge call. They even delayed the game by 60 seconds to call a delay of game penalty on the bench during live ball play.

Is our league worse than other leagues? I watch a handful of big ten, big 12, sec and acc games throughout the week and I never see some of the sloppy 8th grade level sh*t I see from the AAC crews. Is this confirmation bias?

For sake of argument, let's ignore TV Teddy and focus on some of the more regular crews. I think the most egregious and widespread issue is the block/charge. Charge should generally be 30% of the calls to 70% blocks. Sliding under a player in the air is not basketball -- it's dangerous and should never be rewarded.

F
Being bad just feels so good.

Hop on in, UConn fans, the water's warm!

As much as I friendly hate UConn the charge call in last nights game was *chef's kiss*
And that happens nightly 3-4 times. I only hope it happens to every team in the league.

(01-13-2020 11:52 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Hop on in, UConn fans, the water's warm!

As much as I friendly hate UConn the charge call in last nights game was *chef's kiss*
And that happens nightly 3-4 times. I only hope it happens to every team in the league.

LMAO.

UGone fans have ZERO reason to be complaining about any officiating in that game.

(01-13-2020 12:10 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:52 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  Hop on in, UConn fans, the water's warm!

As much as I friendly hate UConn the charge call in last nights game was *chef's kiss*
And that happens nightly 3-4 times. I only hope it happens to every team in the league.

LMAO.

UGone fans have ZERO reason to be complaining about any officiating in that game.

I missed the game, unfortunately. 42 trips to the line is nuts!
But that sliding under a player to draw a charge is definitely garbage.

TV Teddy Valentine doesn't even really try to hide that he's making the game all about him.

He's looking to provoke anyone at any time to make sure he gets on camera and his name mentioned by the announcers.

Good thing AAC showcased their best refs on ESPN prime time. Even Jay Bilas called them out all game.
(obligatory not the reason we lost qualifier)