(01-07-2020 12:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Yeah, anyone thinking this asshat is being mourned by anyone outside his immediate family is a first rate dumb***. One article called him a "popular" leader. I guess he was if you liked having your friends and family murdered in front of you. Many more so-called Americans are mourning his death today than actual Iranians. What you see on TV has the spontaneity of a Kim Jong Un military parade.

A pretty good analysis of the situation IMHO. The author served President trump and CIA Directors Pompeo and Haspel.

Quote:I do not debate we had intelligence regarding any number of prospective attacks Iran was facilitating through proxies in Iraq, and elsewhere. But don’t we always? The Iranians design potential operations at various degrees of lethality and provocation, some of which they will execute, others to put aside for a rainy day. It’s what they do. The reality is that the U.S. government would have been legally bound to warn the public of a threat against an American embassy. The U.S. Intelligence Community is also prohibited from exclusively warning American government officials of threats likewise faced by civilians, and regardless of nationality. For this reason, the deep skepticism that has met the president’s claim that Iran was planning to attack four U.S. embassies is certainly warranted.

The White House’s narrative and the posture adopted by the intelligence agencies are inconsistent with U.S. options, if there was, in fact, a specific, credible, and imminent threat from Iran. Rather, the Trump administration appears to have cherry-picked information from the broader intelligence to support its actions. Intelligence assessments on the anticipated escalatory paths Iran would follow in response to kinetic U.S. retaliatory measures have been consistent and well briefed to every president. The surprise wasn’t that the Iranians escalated, but that they pulled their punches to minimize casualties and provide an off ramp to further escalation.

Further undermining the Trump administration’s argument that the Soleimani strike disrupted an imminent plot to kill Americans, the IRGC is a military institution and so taking out its leader is unlike removing a key terrorist leader, whose death can often eliminate the planning, communications and direction for a particular attack. The IRGC’s command and control are likely largely unaffected, whereas its resolve has likely increased. Moreover, the U.S. acting without any deniability seems to have forced Iran’s hand to respond openly.

The President, His Relationship with Intelligence, and the Soleimani Strike

(01-15-2020 10:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  A pretty good analysis of the situation IMHO. The author served President trump [sic] and CIA Directors Pompeo and Haspel.

Quote:I do not debate we had intelligence regarding any number of prospective attacks Iran was facilitating through proxies in Iraq, and elsewhere. But don’t we always?

The President, His Relationship with Intelligence, and the Soleimani Strike

Which is why we take him out when we get the chance.

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 12:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Yeah, anyone thinking this asshat is being mourned by anyone outside his immediate family is a first rate dumb***. One article called him a "popular" leader. I guess he was if you liked having your friends and family murdered in front of you. Many more so-called Americans are mourning his death today than actual Iranians. What you see on TV has the spontaneity of a Kim Jong Un military parade.

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

(01-15-2020 10:35 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 12:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Yeah, anyone thinking this asshat is being mourned by anyone outside his immediate family is a first rate dumb***. One article called him a "popular" leader. I guess he was if you liked having your friends and family murdered in front of you. Many more so-called Americans are mourning his death today than actual Iranians. What you see on TV has the spontaneity of a Kim Jong Un military parade.

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

Exactly. Its like trying to sell the line that Hitler's army was just clearing the way for Hitler's motorcade to drive to Paris for peace negotiations.

(01-15-2020 10:35 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 12:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Yeah, anyone thinking this asshat is being mourned by anyone outside his immediate family is a first rate dumb***. One article called him a "popular" leader. I guess he was if you liked having your friends and family murdered in front of you. Many more so-called Americans are mourning his death today than actual Iranians. What you see on TV has the spontaneity of a Kim Jong Un military parade.

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

I'm a liberal...I know lots of liberals...I follow lots of liberals on twitter...when I watch cable news, it's usually CNN or MSNBC.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.

Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of the administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

Stop making **** up, k? It just makes you look like a GOP talking point regurgitater.

(01-15-2020 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.
Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of he administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

What reason is needed beyond what you bolded?

Question Tippy Tom.. If this had been any Democrat that done this would you still be whining about the slimeball?

I know the answer, I just like seeing you ignore questions or lie through your teeth.

(01-15-2020 02:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.
Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of he administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

What reason is needed beyond what you bolded?

Owl, I've said this numerous times already. I don't much care what the actual reason was, JUST ******* PICK ONE AND STAY WITH IT! The changing justifications make it look like they're hiding something or are totally incompetent putting forth a cogent message. Both are disturbing for an administration starting it's 4th year.

I take more issue with a President ordering the killing of an American citizen without due process. A 16 year old boy at that. Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki.

https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-laws...one-strike

(01-15-2020 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 10:35 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 12:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Yeah, anyone thinking this asshat is being mourned by anyone outside his immediate family is a first rate dumb***. One article called him a "popular" leader. I guess he was if you liked having your friends and family murdered in front of you. Many more so-called Americans are mourning his death today than actual Iranians. What you see on TV has the spontaneity of a Kim Jong Un military parade.

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

I'm a liberal...I know lots of liberals...I follow lots of liberals on twitter...when I watch cable news, it's usually CNN or MSNBC.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.

Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of the administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

Stop making **** up, k? It just makes you look like a GOP talking point regurgitater.

Liberal Media LOVES Soleimani

Washington Post: “Airstrike at Baghdad airport kills Iran’s most revered military leader, Qasem Soleimani.”

CNN: “Imagine the French Foreign Legion, at the height of the French empire. This guy is regarded in Iran as a completely heroic figure.”

CBS: “Military genius … inspirational.”

New Yorker: “a flamboyant former construction worker and bodybuilder with snowy white hair, a dapper beard, and arching salt-and-pepper eyebrows”

New York Times: “Many saw him as a larger-than-life hero, particularly within security circles. Anecdotes about his asceticism and quiet charisma joined to create an image of a warrior-philosopher who became the backbone of a nation’s defense against a host of enemies.”

(01-15-2020 03:39 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  I take more issue with a President ordering the killing of an American citizen without due process. A 16 year old boy at that. Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki.

https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-laws...one-strike

Sssshhhhhh!

That doesn't fit the narrative that bits-n-pieces was actually a loving freedom fighter who had just cleansed the world of ISIS near single-handed.

Some of us out here follow on the twitter a bit as well.

THAT's ^^^ a very popular theme with the lunatic left. The Drumpf took out a veritable hero...

(01-15-2020 03:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 10:35 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 12:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Yeah, anyone thinking this asshat is being mourned by anyone outside his immediate family is a first rate dumb***. One article called him a "popular" leader. I guess he was if you liked having your friends and family murdered in front of you. Many more so-called Americans are mourning his death today than actual Iranians. What you see on TV has the spontaneity of a Kim Jong Un military parade.

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

I'm a liberal...I know lots of liberals...I follow lots of liberals on twitter...when I watch cable news, it's usually CNN or MSNBC.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.

Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of the administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

Stop making **** up, k? It just makes you look like a GOP talking point regurgitater.

Liberal Media LOVES Soleimani

Washington Post: “Airstrike at Baghdad airport kills Iran’s most revered military leader, Qasem Soleimani.”

CNN: “Imagine the French Foreign Legion, at the height of the French empire. This guy is regarded in Iran as a completely heroic figure.”

CBS: “Military genius … inspirational.”

New Yorker: “a flamboyant former construction worker and bodybuilder with snowy white hair, a dapper beard, and arching salt-and-pepper eyebrows”

New York Times: “Many saw him as a larger-than-life hero, particularly within security circles. Anecdotes about his asceticism and quiet charisma joined to create an image of a warrior-philosopher who became the backbone of a nation’s defense against a host of enemies.”

Moron, your bus is leaving.

Fox News:
"military mastermind"
"Considered one of the most powerful men in Iran, he routinely was referred to as its 'shadow commander' or 'spymaster.'"
https://www.foxnews.com/world/rockets-ba...s-reported

(01-15-2020 03:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 10:35 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 12:51 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Yeah, anyone thinking this asshat is being mourned by anyone outside his immediate family is a first rate dumb***. One article called him a "popular" leader. I guess he was if you liked having your friends and family murdered in front of you. Many more so-called Americans are mourning his death today than actual Iranians. What you see on TV has the spontaneity of a Kim Jong Un military parade.

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

I'm a liberal...I know lots of liberals...I follow lots of liberals on twitter...when I watch cable news, it's usually CNN or MSNBC.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.

Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of the administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

Stop making **** up, k? It just makes you look like a GOP talking point regurgitater.

Liberal Media LOVES Soleimani

Washington Post: “Airstrike at Baghdad airport kills Iran’s most revered military leader, Qasem Soleimani.”

CNN: “Imagine the French Foreign Legion, at the height of the French empire. This guy is regarded in Iran as a completely heroic figure.”

CBS: “Military genius … inspirational.”

New Yorker: “a flamboyant former construction worker and bodybuilder with snowy white hair, a dapper beard, and arching salt-and-pepper eyebrows”

New York Times: “Many saw him as a larger-than-life hero, particularly within security circles. Anecdotes about his asceticism and quiet charisma joined to create an image of a warrior-philosopher who became the backbone of a nation’s defense against a host of enemies.”

Ouch.

That's gonna leave a mark

(01-15-2020 03:39 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  I take more issue with a President ordering the killing of an American citizen without due process. A 16 year old boy at that. Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki.

https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-laws...one-strike

Yeah, I mentioned that in another thread. It is kind of strange the left didn't raise a fuss about that but are now. We all know the reason. Trump.

(01-15-2020 03:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 03:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 10:35 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

I'm a liberal...I know lots of liberals...I follow lots of liberals on twitter...when I watch cable news, it's usually CNN or MSNBC.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.

Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of the administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

Stop making **** up, k? It just makes you look like a GOP talking point regurgitater.

Liberal Media LOVES Soleimani

Washington Post: “Airstrike at Baghdad airport kills Iran’s most revered military leader, Qasem Soleimani.”

CNN: “Imagine the French Foreign Legion, at the height of the French empire. This guy is regarded in Iran as a completely heroic figure.”

CBS: “Military genius … inspirational.”

New Yorker: “a flamboyant former construction worker and bodybuilder with snowy white hair, a dapper beard, and arching salt-and-pepper eyebrows”

New York Times: “Many saw him as a larger-than-life hero, particularly within security circles. Anecdotes about his asceticism and quiet charisma joined to create an image of a warrior-philosopher who became the backbone of a nation’s defense against a host of enemies.”

Moron, your bus is leaving.

Fox News:
"military mastermind"
"Considered one of the most powerful men in Iran, he routinely was referred to as its 'shadow commander' or 'spymaster.'"
https://www.foxnews.com/world/rockets-ba...s-reported

What Fox News said is a FAR CRY from talking about the guy as a body-building poet with fluffy salt and pepper eyebrows. What they said is actually accurate, and an example of factual news reporting.

(01-15-2020 03:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 03:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 10:35 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

I'm a liberal...I know lots of liberals...I follow lots of liberals on twitter...when I watch cable news, it's usually CNN or MSNBC.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.

Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of the administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

Stop making **** up, k? It just makes you look like a GOP talking point regurgitater.

Liberal Media LOVES Soleimani

Washington Post: “Airstrike at Baghdad airport kills Iran’s most revered military leader, Qasem Soleimani.”

CNN: “Imagine the French Foreign Legion, at the height of the French empire. This guy is regarded in Iran as a completely heroic figure.”

CBS: “Military genius … inspirational.”

New Yorker: “a flamboyant former construction worker and bodybuilder with snowy white hair, a dapper beard, and arching salt-and-pepper eyebrows”

New York Times: “Many saw him as a larger-than-life hero, particularly within security circles. Anecdotes about his asceticism and quiet charisma joined to create an image of a warrior-philosopher who became the backbone of a nation’s defense against a host of enemies.”

Moron, your bus is leaving.

Fox News:
"military mastermind"
"Considered one of the most powerful men in Iran, he routinely was referred to as its 'shadow commander' or 'spymaster.'"
https://www.foxnews.com/world/rockets-ba...s-reported

Uhhhhh, ok?

So, how does any of that square with this veeeeeery emphatic retort? lol

"I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST." Ooooops

Sad.

I haven't heard any MSM stating he was a slimeball.

Tom can you link MSNBC or CNN saying that? Would ya pumpkin?

Somebody quote me.. I feel like Tom needs to see what he's ignoring.

(01-15-2020 03:53 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 03:40 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 01:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-15-2020 10:35 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(01-07-2020 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Sadly, you are wrong. But you should be used to that.

Liberals in the Country have made this guy out be some sort of Diplomatic Saint that was mending the middle east and all of world's hate problem. Good Grief. The guy was a sick and twisted murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands. Good Riddance to human waste.

I'm a liberal...I know lots of liberals...I follow lots of liberals on twitter...when I watch cable news, it's usually CNN or MSNBC.

I HAVE NOT HEARD ONE WORD FROM ANYONE DESCRIBING THIS GUY AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SLIMEBALL TERRORIST.

Just because I or others may take issue with the veracity of the administrations myriad reasons for the kill doesn't mean the guy is something he's not.

Stop making **** up, k? It just makes you look like a GOP talking point regurgitater.

Liberal Media LOVES Soleimani

Washington Post: “Airstrike at Baghdad airport kills Iran’s most revered military leader, Qasem Soleimani.”

CNN: “Imagine the French Foreign Legion, at the height of the French empire. This guy is regarded in Iran as a completely heroic figure.”

CBS: “Military genius … inspirational.”

New Yorker: “a flamboyant former construction worker and bodybuilder with snowy white hair, a dapper beard, and arching salt-and-pepper eyebrows”

New York Times: “Many saw him as a larger-than-life hero, particularly within security circles. Anecdotes about his asceticism and quiet charisma joined to create an image of a warrior-philosopher who became the backbone of a nation’s defense against a host of enemies.”

Moron, your bus is leaving.

Fox News:
"military mastermind"
"Considered one of the most powerful men in Iran, he routinely was referred to as its 'shadow commander' or 'spymaster.'"
https://www.foxnews.com/world/rockets-ba...s-reported

You are losing at this.

(01-15-2020 04:06 PM)gdunn Wrote:  I haven't heard any MSM stating he was a slimeball.

Tom can you link MSNBC or CNN saying that? Would ya pumpkin?

Somebody quote me.. I feel like Tom needs to see what he's ignoring.

What?

Can you say that again? speak up? thx