How many guys leave the program when if and when he gets fired? Create that poll next

History tells us they are willing to go into the final year of a contract that has no buyout. MB had to do this, they did not give him a new contract until his had completely expired. He would not have been retained at that point had we not won the CAA tourney which gave us the autobid for the NCAA tournament, but he had completed five full years of his first contract. I can only base my thoughts on what they've done in the past. Very sad and maybe they'll act differently this time, but that's the recent history of MBB.

(01-02-2020 06:47 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  How many guys leave the program when if and when he gets fired? Create that poll next

I’ve said this before but I think the retention goes up because we’re a year further in than last year. What I mean by that is I think the guys truly like Rowe and playing for him but as rising Seniors after let’s say 3 years of losing do they take their red shirt and transfer somewhere for one final season or do they stay to open the new arena and try to win for the new coach? I think if Rowe is let go for another bad season even his biggest supporters will say to themselves that he was given a fair shake. Now if he has a winning year and shows progress it could be another thing.

All it takes is one leader to stick around and maybe that’s enough to keep more guys in the program. Hope we don’t have to test this out but that’s just my gut feeling if it plays out that way. I just wonder if the rising seniors not having taken their red shirts have options to grad transfer/ are they good enough students to graduate in 3 years/ if not they would have to take a step down to red shirt one season to play another somewhere else. Not much a market for guys who aren’t immediately eligible and or don’t have 2 or more years of eligibility to transfer.

There are other variables as well that may keep guys at JMU aside from a love of the school- parents who went to JMU, girlfriends at JMU, high school coaches who were JMU alum etc.

(01-02-2020 09:48 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  History tells us they are willing to go into the final year of a contract that has no buyout. MB had to do this, they did not give him a new contract until his had completely expired. He would not have been retained at that point had we not won the CAA tourney which gave us the autobid for the NCAA tournament, but he had completed five full years of his first contract. I can only base my thoughts on what they've done in the past. Very sad and maybe they'll act differently this time, but that's the recent history of MBB.

Another thought I had- with the new arena and the need to fill
It on the horizon- would a higher profile coach be attracted to JMU and vice versa and could a contract be designed with yes a higher base to attract said coach but with incentives in the contract if that coach really moved the needle in terms of attendance.

Would someone with cache let’s say take the JMU job for $500k base but if they helped sell out the new arena they could make $750k for example?

NJ Duke,

I understand and somewhat agree with you, but we all know these kids have so many people in their ears. Bad advice runs rampant. I could see some people telling guys to transfer to higher level, even though we know this is the level they belong at. Also, schools that lost out on some of the freshman may begin circling like vultures. Remains to be seen how things play out.

(01-02-2020 09:52 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(01-02-2020 09:48 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  History tells us they are willing to go into the final year of a contract that has no buyout. MB had to do this, they did not give him a new contract until his had completely expired. He would not have been retained at that point had we not won the CAA tourney which gave us the autobid for the NCAA tournament, but he had completed five full years of his first contract. I can only base my thoughts on what they've done in the past. Very sad and maybe they'll act differently this time, but that's the recent history of MBB.

Another thought I had- with the new arena and the need to fill
It on the horizon- would a higher profile coach be attracted to JMU and vice versa and could a contract be designed with yes a higher base to attract said coach but with incentives in the contract if that coach really moved the needle in terms of attendance.

Would someone with cache let’s say take the JMU job for $500k base but if they helped sell out the new arena they could make $750k for example?

I've always thought at least one of their bonuses should be designed around attendance. With that said, you'd almost have to give him some input on the tangibles and intangibles of the pricing and promotions designed to draw people to the games. Maybe he gets to hire someone who can oversee his interest.

This is certainly extreme, but trying to make my point, what if we decided to charge $200 per seat. Certainly nobody would pay that and it would be impossible to make his bonus numbers.

Another extreme example: what if we put a limit of only 250 students get in free. We know that's not going to happen, but should it, again the coach could not make bonus.

All I'm saying is that he needs some voice for a bonus like this to work.

I don’t think the regular season wins will matter. Winning the CAA tourney is what will matter. The season isn’t over and there is lots of ball to be played. Plus there aren’t any strong teams in this year’s watered down CAA. JMU will have just as good of a chance to win the tourney as 6 or 7 teams.
Go ahead and eliminate Elon and UNCW now. All others are not separated by much.

(01-02-2020 10:28 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I don’t think the regular season wins will matter. Winning the CAA tourney is what will matter. The season isn’t over and there is lots of ball to be played. Plus there aren’t any strong teams in this year’s watered down CAA. JMU will have just as good of a chance to win the tourney as 6 or 7 teams.
Go ahead and eliminate Elon and UNCW now. All others are not separated by much.

Have to see more but the way I view it is that Northeastern and Charleston will be tough for JMU to beat. They are well Coached and have guards we have yet to Prove we can stop in Roland and Riller.

We can play with Hofstra yet I sense W&M May give us trouble like they always do. Delaware like Hofstra should be a team that JMU can beat this year. The key will be will JMU lose games go lower tier teams like they always do. Elon and Drexel are the ones that always worry me and maybe Uncw at home. Towson plays ugly and that usually suits us.

Never a better time to be at JMU Basketball if only for the facility standpoint - I would think that our athletes and signees would be compelled to stay at JMU now more than ever before. I think the culture that Rowe has built will help retain most guys too.

Rowe is back regardless of what he does this year and its unfortunate.

(01-03-2020 08:29 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  Rowe is back regardless of what he does this year and its unfortunate.

There has never been a more inaccurate statement ever made.

(01-03-2020 09:30 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 08:29 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  Rowe is back regardless of what he does this year and its unfortunate.

There has never been a more inaccurate statement ever made.

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(01-02-2020 04:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  That stipulated, JMU opens a $127 million dollar, 8500 seat basketball arena/complex in the Fall of this year (2020). JMU is not Drexel playing in an antiquated upstairs gym. Given the investment in the new arena, if JMU doesn’t see MBB as a revenue sport our administration is blind, dumb and foolish, and I don’t think they are any of those things.

Fair enough. From an outsider view (with a JMU alum parent), the right time to make that decision for the benefit of the program would have been last year where the new coach can start to build some momentum into the opening of the new place. New coach with new building is a tricky slope because of so much unknown.

Making a move to gain publicity attendance (which will happen initially regardless of product on the court) just before opening, would require a big splash hire. If you fire him end of the season and don't make a splash name hire, what will truly be gained (beyond just folks who want to see the new arena in the first season or even just few games)? I do not see JMU ponying up for a splash hire. I could be wrong though. Also glad you guys are finally upgrading the convo.

Drexel clearly doesnt believe basketball is a revenue sport and won't truly replace the DAC. That will continue to hold us back in recruiting, despite the upgrades in the past handful of years to get the place into the 90's. They had a chance to be taken seriously with the armory plans a decade ago, instead they went the direction of turning that building into the U.S. national squash facility. Opportunity missed and priorities backwards. Nothing new there.

Appreciate your POV, but are you suggesting that the JMU who you say is unwilling to eat even one year of a coach’s contract (based on Brady’s retention during a Presidential turnover) should have eaten TWO years of a coach’s contract? You’re kinda all over the place.

Yes, that is the point. A lot of us wanted them to make the change after last season, but it sounded like buying out two years of a contract plus paying for a new coach was not an option. If this year was the last year of his contract, I think a change would have been made after last season.

Agreed that it would have been best for the new coach to have this season to get settled in and recruit his players before the opening of the stadium next season. Contract of Rowe did not allow for that.

(01-03-2020 12:09 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  Yes, that is the point. A lot of us wanted them to make the change after last season, but it sounded like buying out two years of a contract plus paying for a new coach was not an option. If this year was the last year of his contract, I think a change would have been made after last season.

Agreed that it would have been best for the new coach to have this season to get settled in and recruit his players before the opening of the stadium next season. Contract of Rowe did not allow for that.

Is this dan’s burner account? I fully understand his 5-year contract. I fully understand people were wailing for HCLR to get canned last year with two years left on his contract. What I don’t understand is why you are answering for dan10’s inconsistency. Nothing you posted explains the inconsistency.

For clarity, it’s obvious to me that JMU prefers to eat only one year of a coach’s contract. But that doesn’t mean JMU prefers to let contracts ride out to the bitter end like Dan kinda suggests JMU will do (based on the Brady lame duck fiasco).

(01-03-2020 12:19 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  For clarity, it’s obvious to me that JMU prefers to eat only one year of a coach’s contract. But that doesn’t mean JMU prefers to let contracts ride out to the bitter end like Dan kinda suggests JMU will do (based on the Brady lame duck fiasco).

I really don't understand why they didn't make a small buyout for the fifth season, especially since that's what was done for Brady for his extension. This way if things had not been going in a positive direction after last season, JMU would have been on the hook for one year salary plus $20K.

Since we've never seen the LR contract, maybe it does have a small buyout after this season. Sure would like for one of our media folk to request seek out the information. In the past it's been either the Breeze or DNR who made the request. Frankly, I'm not trying to push him out, I simply like understanding contracts and negotiations.

If they don't fire him at the end of this season - don't they need to extend him to avoid another lame duck situation??

Surely they learned their lesson last time around....

If the season ends with mediocrity at the tournament - would they really try to say that he earned an extension?

(01-03-2020 12:38 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-03-2020 12:19 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  For clarity, it’s obvious to me that JMU prefers to eat only one year of a coach’s contract. But that doesn’t mean JMU prefers to let contracts ride out to the bitter end like Dan kinda suggests JMU will do (based on the Brady lame duck fiasco).

I really don't understand why they didn't make a small buyout for the fifth season, especially since that's what was done for Brady for his extension. This way if things had not been going in a positive direction after last season, JMU would have been on the hook for one year salary plus $20K.

Since we've never seen the LR contract, maybe it does have a small buyout after this season. Sure would like for one of our media folk to request seek out the information. In the past it's been either the Breeze or DNR who made the request. Frankly, I'm not trying to push him out, I simply like understanding contracts and negotiations.

Source:
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2019/11/...or-2019-20

Contract:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1ZJrUW...sp=sharing