(01-05-2020 09:21 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 04:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 02:41 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 02:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 02:33 PM)2Buck Wrote:  No one should be blaming Lou, he didn't hire himself.

Don't blame the guy who hasn't performed? Ok.

That's right. He has performed to the best of his abilities. I blame the inept hiring managers who continually fail to recognize the limitations of their hires.

We're long past the "shame on you" stage and well into the "shame on us" stage.

But I don't expect you to see that since your field of vision is so obscured by the lining of this admin's arse.

I thought the hire was a mistake from the beginning, but the powers that be decided extending an opportunity to an alum to succeed was a risk worth taking. It’s clear (or should be at this point) it was a failed hire. Again, nothing personal against LR, but this is a business and LR simply hasn’t performed to required expectations.

While the employee’s failure to perform might have been predictablee, only the failure to terminate now would be on the decision makers. Time to move forward and start anew.

As some have said this was the Sherman Dillard hire 2.0. Clearly nobody in administration learned from that.

In my opinion, much worse than the Dillard hire. At least Sherman actually had experience as a head coach.

(01-05-2020 11:49 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 09:21 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 04:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 02:41 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 02:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Don't blame the guy who hasn't performed? Ok.

That's right. He has performed to the best of his abilities. I blame the inept hiring managers who continually fail to recognize the limitations of their hires.

We're long past the "shame on you" stage and well into the "shame on us" stage.

But I don't expect you to see that since your field of vision is so obscured by the lining of this admin's arse.

I thought the hire was a mistake from the beginning, but the powers that be decided extending an opportunity to an alum to succeed was a risk worth taking. It’s clear (or should be at this point) it was a failed hire. Again, nothing personal against LR, but this is a business and LR simply hasn’t performed to required expectations.

While the employee’s failure to perform might have been predictablee, only the failure to terminate now would be on the decision makers. Time to move forward and start anew.

As some have said this was the Sherman Dillard hire 2.0. Clearly nobody in administration learned from that.

In my opinion, much worse than the Dillard hire. At least Sherman actually had experience as a head coach.

The Dillard hire could be argued for the exact opposite position. It was the worst hire because he already had a track record as a head coach and never had a winning season at Indiana State. Hired in spite of the evidence.

I also think Dillard was older and by all accounts didn't relate to players. Rowe was a younger hire and more relatable. I think in some circles folks thought Rowe could be the next Kenny Brooks but on the men's side. I believe Brooks was part of the selection committee early on and is close to Rowe and gave a recommendation that probably carried some weight.

It feels like Rowe and Dillard were about the same age when they took the JMU job. I could be wrong.

(01-05-2020 12:50 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 11:49 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 09:21 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 04:04 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 02:41 PM)2Buck Wrote:  That's right. He has performed to the best of his abilities. I blame the inept hiring managers who continually fail to recognize the limitations of their hires.

We're long past the "shame on you" stage and well into the "shame on us" stage.

But I don't expect you to see that since your field of vision is so obscured by the lining of this admin's arse.

I thought the hire was a mistake from the beginning, but the powers that be decided extending an opportunity to an alum to succeed was a risk worth taking. It’s clear (or should be at this point) it was a failed hire. Again, nothing personal against LR, but this is a business and LR simply hasn’t performed to required expectations.

While the employee’s failure to perform might have been predictablee, only the failure to terminate now would be on the decision makers. Time to move forward and start anew.

As some have said this was the Sherman Dillard hire 2.0. Clearly nobody in administration learned from that.

In my opinion, much worse than the Dillard hire. At least Sherman actually had experience as a head coach.

The Dillard hire could be argued for the exact opposite position. It was the worst hire because he already had a track record as a head coach and never had a winning season at Indiana State. Hired in spite of the evidence.

I thought it strange at the time Dillard was hired that he had never coached a winning team in 3 seasons at Indiana St., however the spin was that Dillard’s ISU teams had “improved” and won more games in each successive season. That was blarney of course, and hindsight on Dillard’s tenure revealed what a total lie it was.

The fact that Lou is considered a good recruiter, good person and relates well to his players is a big part of why he was hired. He has recruited good young men who represent JMU well. There have been zero off the field issues with these young men. No APR issues either. Nothing off the court at all. Brady had a lot of stuff going on non-basketball related.

It is easy to root for Lou. He has done a great job at all of the things I mentioned above. Where he is falling short has been well documented and posted already. It makes me sad to see him struggle. I wanted to see a good person do well just like Bennett at UVA.

Lou Rowe Recruits:

Year 1 – 2017

- Gerrome Scissum (left mid season)
- Vince Holmes JUCO – left team
- Terrance Johnson JUCO – left team

Year 2 - 2018

- Jonathan Hicklin – left team mid-season
- Greg Jones - left team
- Matthew Urbach – left team
- Alex Schultz – left team

Year 3 – 2019

- Mike Fowler – removed from team

2019 Coaching Changes

2019 – Rob Summers – to Cleveland State
2019 – Tim Johnson – to Furman

So he lost no one of significance and upgraded coaches and players. Thanks for sharing this post Dukeman.

(01-05-2020 06:15 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  So he lost no one of significance and upgraded coaches and players. Thanks for sharing this post Dukeman.

It’s not a matter that the recruits who left were not “of significance” it’s a sign LR was wasting resources and opportunities spent on recruiting the wrong future players.

It's not a perfect science- Lou had had some recruiting missteps but by in large he's kept the right guys in the program- like Wilson for example and I agree they seem like good kids too. I actually take the coaches leaving for other jobs as kind of a compliment of Rowe. Despite the poor record the staff has always worked hard and I think within basketball circles they have the respect of other programs.

I can understand people not being happy with where the program is and Lou's overall results but Lou has seemed to recruit talented, good character kids since day one. Unless I am forgetting something, there haven't been any off court or character issues from the kids Lou has recruited. As for the transfers, there are reasons we may never know for some leaving the program but I don't think Lou has ever brought in a kid he didn't plan to develop or eventually give them meaningful minutes.

(01-05-2020 08:24 PM)Anders Wrote:  I can understand people not being happy with where the program is and Lou's overall results but Lou has seemed to recruit talented, good character kids since day one. Unless I am forgetting something, there haven't been any off court or character issues from the kids Lou has recruited. As for the transfers, there are reasons we may never know for some leaving the program but I don't think Lou has ever brought in a kid he didn't plan to develop or eventually give them meaningful minutes.

I agree and I think most on here would say the same, with the exception of the very last point. He's playing very few and I'm not convinced that he'll ever play more guys than this. What convinces you that he plans to develop or give meaningful minutes? Key word, "meaningful".

By the way, I'm not saying his rotations are right or wrong, simply wondering what you are seeing and wanting a little of your thoughts.

(01-05-2020 07:48 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  It's not a perfect science- Lou had had some recruiting missteps but by in large he's kept the right guys in the program- like Wilson for example and I agree they seem like good kids too. I actually take the coaches leaving for other jobs as kind of a compliment of Rowe. Despite the poor record the staff has always worked hard and I think within basketball circles they have the respect of other programs.

Are rats leaving a sinking ship a compliment to the ship’s Captain? Just curious...

(01-05-2020 08:24 PM)Anders Wrote:  I can understand people not being happy with where the program is and Lou's overall results but Lou has seemed to recruit talented, good character kids since day one. Unless I am forgetting something, there haven't been any off court or character issues from the kids Lou has recruited. As for the transfers, there are reasons we may never know for some leaving the program but I don't think Lou has ever brought in a kid he didn't plan to develop or eventually give them meaningful minutes.

Year 4 with LR’s “good character kids”...can we expect a CAA championship this year? JMU has been so close these past couple of seasons. I expect LR will lead JMU MBB back to the NCAAT soon, don’t you?

Obviously, other than the fact JMU is in year 4 with LR with a core of nice kids, 7 or 8 of whom play the majority of the minutes, none of above is true. Time to pull the plug. The Dillard 2.0 experiment has been a bust.

LH: The purpose of the posts by several people was to point out why Lou was hired and what he has done well. I think we all agree the product on the court thus far this season is less than expected. At this point, it is fairly obvious the administration will be forced to move on come seasons end.

I hate when players are put in the position of playing for a coach they fear will be fired at seasons end. It stinks for them.

(01-05-2020 09:20 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:24 PM)Anders Wrote:  I can understand people not being happy with where the program is and Lou's overall results but Lou has seemed to recruit talented, good character kids since day one. Unless I am forgetting something, there haven't been any off court or character issues from the kids Lou has recruited. As for the transfers, there are reasons we may never know for some leaving the program but I don't think Lou has ever brought in a kid he didn't plan to develop or eventually give them meaningful minutes.

I agree and I think most on here would say the same, with the exception of the very last point. He's playing very few and I'm not convinced that he'll ever play more guys than this. What convinces you that he plans to develop or give meaningful minutes? Key word, "meaningful".

By the way, I'm not saying his rotations are right or wrong, simply wondering what you are seeing and wanting a little of your thoughts.

I would like to have some more depth in our rotation but personally don’t have a problem with not every freshman getting minutes. We don’t know what they look like in practice and might not be ready. I don’t think any freshman should ever expect playing time for just being available. Guys past true frosh...yeah I get a little concerned there. Not sure when flowers will get his time if ever.

(01-06-2020 08:51 AM)Anders Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 09:20 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:24 PM)Anders Wrote:  I can understand people not being happy with where the program is and Lou's overall results but Lou has seemed to recruit talented, good character kids since day one. Unless I am forgetting something, there haven't been any off court or character issues from the kids Lou has recruited. As for the transfers, there are reasons we may never know for some leaving the program but I don't think Lou has ever brought in a kid he didn't plan to develop or eventually give them meaningful minutes.

I agree and I think most on here would say the same, with the exception of the very last point. He's playing very few and I'm not convinced that he'll ever play more guys than this. What convinces you that he plans to develop or give meaningful minutes? Key word, "meaningful".

By the way, I'm not saying his rotations are right or wrong, simply wondering what you are seeing and wanting a little of your thoughts.

I would like to have some more depth in our rotation but personally don’t have a problem with not every freshman getting minutes. We don’t know what they look like in practice and might not be ready. I don’t think any freshman should ever expect playing time for just being available. Guys past true frosh...yeah I get a little concerned there. Not sure when flowers will get his time if ever.

Agree.....by this point of the season with half the season and a ton of practices under their belt the coaches have a pretty good idea who can help put this team in the best position to win. It is highly unlikely someone that has not played any meaningful minutes thus far this season would pop-off the bench and make a difference.

Not everyone on the team has earned/deserves playing time.....this is NOT Parks & Rec basketball where everyone gets equal playing time.

A rotation of 8-10 players makes sense. Do I agree necessarily with how those minutes are distributed and style of play at times, NO.....but I don't think anyone is being denied an opportunity that would make a difference. Most freshmen are not ready to contribute in a meaningful way immediately and if not by mid-season not their freshman season. That does not mean they cannot step up and be good players and contribute for the next 3 years.

(01-06-2020 08:25 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  LH: The purpose of the posts by several people was to point out why Lou was hired and what he has done well. I think we all agree the product on the court thus far this season is less than expected. At this point, it is fairly obvious the administration will be forced to move on come seasons end.

I hate when players are put in the position of playing for a coach they fear will be fired at seasons end. It stinks for them.

It’s not just this season’s results...it’s a track record of little to no progress.

Do players feel bad playing for a HC that’s a dead man walking? Sure, any normal person would, but it happens. They’ll survive, and possibly flourish with the new coaching staff. It happened with MM, and with Mickey Dean. The challenge is hiring the right person. So far the powers that be have not shown they know how hire a winning HC for MBB.