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RE: Bowl TV ratings
App's game also spent 25 minutes on ESPNNews before getting on the flagship because of an overrun. Also a good NFL game was on at the same time.

SMU/FAU had better ratings because it was on ABC rather than Cable.



As far as attendance goes, App brought more people in 2019 than 2018. UAB brought less than MTSU.


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RE: Bowl TV ratings
(01-08-2020 12:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 11:48 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It'll be interesting what happens if there's quarterfinals on NYD. Rose requires 5pm exclusivity. Sugar requires 9pm exclusivity. That really only leaves two options.

Orange 10e/10e
Cotton 130e/1230c
Rose 5e/2p
Sugar 9e/8c

Orange 1e/1e
Cotton 1e/1e
Rose 5e/2p
Sugar 9e/8c

I don't think it's possible unless the Rose and Sugar become more flexible.
All 4 Quarterfinals don’t have to be on the same day. You probably won’t put both semifinals on current Championship Monday, you’d relocate 1 to be played after the NFL’s 2 Sunday games. Also, while the Rose and Sugar should be permanent QFs, the other spots could alternate, Fiesta/Cotton in the West and Orange/Peach in the East.
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RE: Bowl TV ratings
(01-08-2020 10:50 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 10:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 06:29 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 06:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 01:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  Note that Alabama-Michigan was #4, ahead of 3 NY6 games.
#8 was Texas-Utah, #9 Texas A&M-Oklahoma St., #10 Notre Dame-Iowa St. and #11 the other NYD game-Auburn-Minnesota.

Auburn / Minnesota would have been more highly rated but it was going head to head with Michigan / Alabama which admittedly was a much more compelling match up. That's the problem with viewing numbers in the noon slot on New Year's day. Right now 3 bowls are played in that time slot.

ND/Iowa State went up against Memphis/Penn State as well, I believe.

Yes, the Cotton Bowl and Camping Bowl were both on at 1 PM EST. The Camping Bowl was on ABC, the Cotton Bowl on ESPN.

To me New Year's day is an extremely frustrating and mismanaged day. You are coming off of two weeks worth of lesser bowl games strung out to tease their way to New Year's day with every bowl carefully spaced not to overlap and when you get to the day where the match ups involve better teams and the bowls still have a semblance of consequence to them you get 3 key games at once, an overlap of the Rose with the Sugar. Quite frankly that pisses me off! I know none of them want to give up New Year's day, but it seems to me if they actually made those games more accessible that all of their ratings would go up and that should make them more profitable. But 3 key games year after year at the same time is just stupid.

Back in the 70's and 80's we solved that in our house by bringing in a 13 inch black and white tv into the living room so we could watch two at one time. Orange and Sugar tended to go head to head and Fiesta and Orange went head to head. Didn't nobody mess with the Rose
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RE: Bowl TV ratings
(01-10-2020 06:30 AM)Crayton Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 12:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 11:48 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It'll be interesting what happens if there's quarterfinals on NYD. Rose requires 5pm exclusivity. Sugar requires 9pm exclusivity. That really only leaves two options.

Orange 10e/10e
Cotton 130e/1230c
Rose 5e/2p
Sugar 9e/8c

Orange 1e/1e
Cotton 1e/1e
Rose 5e/2p
Sugar 9e/8c

I don't think it's possible unless the Rose and Sugar become more flexible.
All 4 Quarterfinals don’t have to be on the same day. You probably won’t put both semifinals on current Championship Monday, you’d relocate 1 to be played after the NFL’s 2 Sunday games. Also, while the Rose and Sugar should be permanent QFs, the other spots could alternate, Fiesta/Cotton in the West and Orange/Peach in the East.

Agreed. 2 quarterfinals can be on NYD (Rose and Sugar) and then having the other games on other nights. For instance, this year could have had 2 games on 1/1, 1 prime time game on 1/2 and 1 prime time game on 1/3. Assuming that the NFL moves its playoffs to February, the semifinals can be played as a doubleheader on the next Saturday at least 7 days after the last semifinal game (which would have been 1/11 this year). The national championship can then be played at least 1 week after that (probably Monday like it is now for optimal TV ratings, which would be the 1/20 MLK Jr. holiday this year).

The NFL doesn’t try to cram more than 2 playoff games on one day. College football doesn’t need to, either. A doubleheader of playoff games is generally the most that people can handle, anyway, especially when college games push 4 hours each these days.
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(01-08-2020 09:31 AM)chidave Wrote:  Pitt-EMU was a competitive game till the end and the nice crowd added to the aesthetics on TV. It looked and felt like a big time game when you were watching it. Hate it ended the way it did.

What difference does that make? watching Pitt compared to UCF. I bet UCF is more popular.
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(01-08-2020 12:21 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Gotta say I'm really disappointed in the numbers for App State's bowl game with the great season they had. Losing by three points to Ga. Southern and otherwise winning twelve games entering bowl season, they were thisclose to the Cotton Bowl.

Try UCF losing by 7 points in three losses.
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(01-08-2020 11:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 11:05 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 10:50 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 10:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 06:29 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND/Iowa State went up against Memphis/Penn State as well, I believe.

Yes, the Cotton Bowl and Camping Bowl were both on at 1 PM EST. The Camping Bowl was on ABC, the Cotton Bowl on ESPN.

To me New Year's day is an extremely frustrating and mismanaged day. You are coming off of two weeks worth of lesser bowl games strung out to tease their way to New Year's day with every bowl carefully spaced not to overlap and when you get to the day where the match ups involve better teams and the bowls still have a semblance of consequence to them you get 3 key games at once, an overlap of the Rose with the Sugar. Quite frankly that pisses me off! I know none of them want to give up New Year's day, but it seems to me if they actually made those games more accessible that all of their ratings would go up and that should make them more profitable. But 3 key games year after year at the same time is just stupid.

For a very long time, the Orange and Sugar Bowls were both played at night on New Year's Day. I think it was only with the start of the CFP that the Sugar Bowl got the Orange Bowl kicked out of that time slot.

And, IMO... why not play all those games on NYD. It's the day for bowl games. Switch back and forth, have a few TVs going, whatever. Who cares which game has the best Nielsen rating.

Yes, my sense is that the CFP has done a better job of spacing out the NY6 bowls and giving them their own time slots than was done in previous eras.

IIRC, this year, the only NY6 that shared a time slot with any other bowl was the Cotton Bowl. The other five all had their own slots. And it's harder to do that with 6 major bowls than it was with 4 in the past.

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FCS Champ game ratings came out with a rating of 1.7 and over 2.5 million viewers on ABC. That rating would be good enough for the 17th rated bowl game. Only two FBS bowl games on ABC did worse: The Boca Raton Bowl with 1.3 rating and the Las Vegas Bowl with a 1.6 rating.
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(01-14-2020 10:46 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  FCS Champ game ratings came out with a rating of 1.7 and over 2.5 million viewers on ABC. That rating would be good enough for the 17th rated bowl game. Only two FBS bowl games on ABC did worse: The Boca Raton Bowl with 1.3 rating and the Las Vegas Bowl with a 1.6 rating.

2.69 million.

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FCS championship game 2.69 million up by 168% from last year
Celebration Bowl 1.81 million down by 23% from last year
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FCS Championship game also went from ESPN to ABC. Big difference.

Celebration Bowl actually had another game on at the same time, different than last year.
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Final 2 bowl games are in. Louisiana-Miami did not beat Louisiana Tech-Miami, as it only came in #31. Clemson-LSU had a 14.3 rating and 25.59 million viewers. Up 1% from last year, but only 15th of 22 title games.

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One not good number-"...In adults 18-49, LSU-Clemson averaged a combined 7.7 rating across ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU — down a tick from last year on the same three networks (7.8). That includes a 7.5 on ESPN alone (-1%)...."

That indicates 50 up and kids were doing a huge amount of the viewing to get a 14.3 overall.
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Interesting comment to the article:

"...I had zero interest in the national title game this season because of the 16 days in between. Too much time and my interest dwindled by the time the game got here. Plus, I’m sick of seeing Clemson vs. an SEC team every year. Every year since 2016 has featured Clemson and/or the SEC in the title game and it’s gotten really tiresome. Time for an eight team playoff to change things up a bit. Maybe there would be more random results in the quarterfinal round, therefore creating different matchups in the title game...."
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I'll add to the conversation with my spreadsheet comparing ratings for bowl games under the BCS and CFP systems, which I believe I have posted in prior years as well.

Total viewership for 33 games with ten years of published data was down from 185.4 million in 2018-19 to 183.4 million in 2019-20, about 1%. For the seven NY6 and CFP games, the decline was from 108.1 million to 102.8 million to, about 5%.

For the 33 games, it is the lowest total since 2011-12, and the second lowest in the ten years looked at. For the seven NY6 and CFP games, it is the lowest since 2015-16, but the fifth highest for these seven games since in the ten years looked at.

Some conclusions - the CFP has boosted the overall viewership and value of the seven games that are party of the NY6 and CFP. This benefit does not appear to be at the expense of overall viewership, but has resulted in a shift of viewership from other bowls to CFP and NY6 games.

Time slots matter. The worst ratings year for the CFP/NY6 was the disastrous 2011-12, when the semifinals were held on a weekday New Years Eve. This year's issue seems to be related to the NY6 games not part of the CFP, which all had drops from the most recent non-CFP editions. This year saw a number of unusual time slots, including no non-CFP NY6 game on New Year's Day, boosting the Citrus, an isolated Monday night game with a poor match up to be sure, and using an NY6 game as a warm up game for semifinals being played five days before New Years Day.

My suggestions:

- Play the Semifinals on New Years Day every year. In years that the Rose Bowl is not a semifinal, play the first semifinal at 1 pm ET.
- Play two non semifinal NY6 games on nights between New Years Day and the CFP Championship Game in the same way the BCS used to do.
- In years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal, play the third non semifinal game on New Years Day at 1 pm. In other years, play it on New Year's Eve.


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RE: Bowl TV ratings
For comparison from the regular season thread-top 10:

1. LSU @ Alabama week 11 CBS 16.64M 330pm gd there
2. LSU vs Georgia week 15 CBS 13.70M 4pm gd there
3. Wisconsin vs Ohio St week 15 Fox 13.55m 8pm
4. Ohio St @ Michigan week 14 Fox 12.42M noon gd there
5. Alabama @ Auburn week 14 CBS 11.43M 330pm
6. Penn St @ Ohio St week 13 Fox 9.43M noon gd there
7. Notre Dame @ Georgia week 4 CBS 9.29M 8pm gd there
8. Oklahoma vs Baylor week 15 ABC 8.70m noon
9. LSU @ Texas week 2 ABC 8.63M 730 pm gd there
10. Army vs Navy week 16 CBS 7.71M 3pm gd there

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UPDATED through January 1/UPATED through January 4/UPDATED through January 6/UPDATED to end of bowl season
Bowl ratings through the 28th:
1. 1/13 Clemson-LSU 25.59 million rating 14.3
2. 12/28 Clemson-Ohio St. 21.15 million rating 11.1
3. 12/28 LSU-OU 17.21 rating 9.5
4. 1/1 OR-Wisconsin 16.30 rating 8.7
5. 1/1 AL-Michigan 14.00 rating 8.0
6. 1/1 UGA-Baylor 10.22 rating 5.7
7. 12/28 Penn St.-Memphis 6.22 rating 3.8
8. 12/30 FLorida-UVA 6.07 rating 3.5
9. 12/31 Texas-Utah 5.61 rating 3.1
10. 12/27 Texas A&M-Ok. St. 4.90 rating 2.8
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Only the title game, 4 of the NY6 and the Citrus (Alabama-Michigan) would crack the regular season top 10.
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(01-17-2020 05:03 PM)orangefan Wrote:  I'll add to the conversation with my spreadsheet comparing ratings for bowl games under the BCS and CFP systems, which I believe I have posted in prior years as well.

Total viewership for 33 games with ten years of published data was down from 185.4 million in 2018-19 to 183.4 million in 2019-20, about 1%. For the seven NY6 and CFP games, the decline was from 108.1 million to 102.8 million to, about 5%.

For the 33 games, it is the lowest total since 2011-12, and the second lowest in the ten years looked at. For the seven NY6 and CFP games, it is the lowest since 2015-16, but the fifth highest for these seven games since in the ten years looked at.

Some conclusions - the CFP has boosted the overall viewership and value of the seven games that are party of the NY6 and CFP. This benefit does not appear to be at the expense of overall viewership, but has resulted in a shift of viewership from other bowls to CFP and NY6 games.

Time slots matter. The worst ratings year for the CFP/NY6 was the disastrous 2011-12, when the semifinals were held on a weekday New Years Eve. This year's issue seems to be related to the NY6 games not part of the CFP, which all had drops from the most recent non-CFP editions. This year saw a number of unusual time slots, including no non-CFP NY6 game on New Year's Day, boosting the Citrus, an isolated Monday night game with a poor match up to be sure, and using an NY6 game as a warm up game for semifinals being played five days before New Years Day.

My suggestions:

- Play the Semifinals on New Years Day every year. In years that the Rose Bowl is not a semifinal, play the first semifinal at 1 pm ET.
- Play two non semifinal NY6 games on nights between New Years Day and the CFP Championship Game in the same way the BCS used to do.
- In years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal, play the third non semifinal game on New Years Day at 1 pm. In other years, play it on New Year's Eve.

If you put the Sugar and Rose CFP games on different years, you could have 2 semi-finals on NYD 4 out of the 6 years.
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(01-17-2020 05:10 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 05:03 PM)orangefan Wrote:  I'll add to the conversation with my spreadsheet comparing ratings for bowl games under the BCS and CFP systems, which I believe I have posted in prior years as well.

Total viewership for 33 games with ten years of published data was down from 185.4 million in 2018-19 to 183.4 million in 2019-20, about 1%. For the seven NY6 and CFP games, the decline was from 108.1 million to 102.8 million to, about 5%.

For the 33 games, it is the lowest total since 2011-12, and the second lowest in the ten years looked at. For the seven NY6 and CFP games, it is the lowest since 2015-16, but the fifth highest for these seven games since in the ten years looked at.

Some conclusions - the CFP has boosted the overall viewership and value of the seven games that are party of the NY6 and CFP. This benefit does not appear to be at the expense of overall viewership, but has resulted in a shift of viewership from other bowls to CFP and NY6 games.

Time slots matter. The worst ratings year for the CFP/NY6 was the disastrous 2011-12, when the semifinals were held on a weekday New Years Eve. This year's issue seems to be related to the NY6 games not part of the CFP, which all had drops from the most recent non-CFP editions. This year saw a number of unusual time slots, including no non-CFP NY6 game on New Year's Day, boosting the Citrus, an isolated Monday night game with a poor match up to be sure, and using an NY6 game as a warm up game for semifinals being played five days before New Years Day.

My suggestions:

- Play the Semifinals on New Years Day every year. In years that the Rose Bowl is not a semifinal, play the first semifinal at 1 pm ET.
- Play two non semifinal NY6 games on nights between New Years Day and the CFP Championship Game in the same way the BCS used to do.
- In years when the Rose Bowl is a semifinal, play the third non semifinal game on New Years Day at 1 pm. In other years, play it on New Year's Eve.

If you put the Sugar and Rose CFP games on different years, you could have 2 semi-finals on NYD 4 out of the 6 years.

Since we're stuck with this turkey of a system for six more years, might as well at least do that.
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(01-17-2020 04:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting comment to the article:

"...I had zero interest in the national title game this season because of the 16 days in between. Too much time and my interest dwindled by the time the game got here. Plus, I’m sick of seeing Clemson vs. an SEC team every year. Every year since 2016 has featured Clemson and/or the SEC in the title game and it’s gotten really tiresome. Time for an eight team playoff to change things up a bit. Maybe there would be more random results in the quarterfinal round, therefore creating different matchups in the title game...."

The FCS has a big 24-team playoff and the "random result" is .... North Dakota State winning 8 of 9 years. And right before that, a decade ago, App State was polishing off a 3-peat.

Matchups do matter. One problem with the NY6 was that with the ACC being effectively a G6 conference this year, we were stuck with two games featuring low-brand-value teams, the Orange Bowl and the Cotton Bowl. And then we also had low-brand Baylor in the Sugar Bowl.

Also agree that the absurd 16-day wait for LSU - Clemson was negative too.

Even though both had down years by their standards, Alabama vs Michigan was two big brand names so the ratings were good.
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(01-17-2020 04:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting comment to the article:

"...I had zero interest in the national title game this season because of the 16 days in between. Too much time and my interest dwindled by the time the game got here. Plus, I’m sick of seeing Clemson vs. an SEC team every year. Every year since 2016 has featured Clemson and/or the SEC in the title game and it’s gotten really tiresome. Time for an eight team playoff to change things up a bit. Maybe there would be more random results in the quarterfinal round, therefore creating different matchups in the title game...."

Instead of giving LSU the easy path to the championship, they should've made LSU/Clemson the semifinal in Atlanta and let Ohio State play Oklahoma in the Fiesta. Maximum ticket value in the Peach, plus a guaranteed new conference in the final.
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