(12-30-2019 01:44 PM)Jugnaut Wrote: I loved Rogue One and really liked Solo. Much better than the new trilogy. Disney really blew it by completely ignoring the expanded universe. I haven't seen the newest one, probably won't see it until it ends up on Disney +. Disney really screwed up star wars. Hope there are a bunch of standalone movies set in the galactic empire era that can redeem the franchise. They should just burn the new trilogy down. Maybe it'll get fixed in a remake of reboot in the future.
I don't know about you, but I've been watching The Mandalorian and thought it was nicely done.
(12-30-2019 02:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Disney is reversing course to undo the damage that Darth Kennedy and Darth Johnson did in the trilogy including making the TLJ never happened. As it is, the news is that they hired Ewan McGregor to come back as Obi One. Christian Haydonson is also being brought back as Anakin. There is talks that They are bringing Mark Hamill back as Luke for a Disney + show on Luke Skywalker. TROS and The Mandolorian brought in source materials from the comics, books and the Clone Wars cartoons to tie things up. When Rey claimed she is a Skywalker? It is an FU to Kennedy who is in charged of Lucasfilms who wanted Luke to die, the Lesbian kiss, Rose Tico, that stupid sex bot who wants to be human in Solo and so forth. Rey is Han and Leia's daughter which means Palpatine is Luke and Leia's grandfather. I think they will clran all this up in the Luke Skywalker's tv show. John Faveruea and Dave Filino who are doing The Mandolorian worked with George Lucas on the Clone Wars cartoons from 2008 til now. It is being reported that Favereau is going to replaced Kennedy as the head of Lucasfilms. I could see some writers who will be let go who wanted TLJ to happen.
David, you're speaking of things you don't know. You haven't seen the movie and alot of what you stated above is incorrect.
Like anything else, please educate yourself before coming somewhere and tell us that have seen the movie that we're wrong because you read some blog somewhere.
(12-30-2019 02:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Disney is reversing course to undo the damage that Darth Kennedy and Darth Johnson did in the trilogy including making the TLJ never happened. As it is, the news is that they hired Ewan McGregor to come back as Obi One. Christian Haydonson is also being brought back as Anakin. There is talks that They are bringing Mark Hamill back as Luke for a Disney + show on Luke Skywalker. TROS and The Mandolorian brought in source materials from the comics, books and the Clone Wars cartoons to tie things up. When Rey claimed she is a Skywalker? It is an FU to Kennedy who is in charged of Lucasfilms who wanted Luke to die, the Lesbian kiss, Rose Tico, that stupid sex bot who wants to be human in Solo and so forth. Rey is Han and Leia's daughter which means Palpatine is Luke and Leia's grandfather. I think they will clran all this up in the Luke Skywalker's tv show. John Faveruea and Dave Filino who are doing The Mandolorian worked with George Lucas on the Clone Wars cartoons from 2008 til now. It is being reported that Favereau is going to replaced Kennedy as the head of Lucasfilms. I could see some writers who will be let go who wanted TLJ to happen.
David, you're speaking of things you don't know. You haven't seen the movie and alot of what you stated above is incorrect.
Like anything else, please educate yourself before coming somewhere and tell us that have seen the movie that we're wrong because you read some blog somewhere.
The cross lightsaber that was introduced in episode 7 came from the Clone Wars cartoon. In other words, episode 7 and 9 actually used canon material from other sources when Disney said they do not exsist. A Force Awakins, TLJ and TROS should have used the Young Jedi Knights as a storyline, or take off from there when Han and Leia had twins and little Anakin Solo as siblings to Ben Solo. Luke trained Leia at the Jedi Academy with Wedge there as well. Wedge is slightly force sensitive. The TROS took elements from the comics, cartoon and books besides the movies. The ending to the movie where Rey claimed to be Skywalker is the direct story that George wanted to say in Episode 3 where Palpatine tells Anakin that he is his father. Now, the hint in TROS is that Rey is Han and Leia's daughter which brings back to the point George wanted to do in the first place in Episode 3.
My Star Wars ranking:
Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars (some people but not me call it A New Hope)
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
The Mandalorian (streaming)
The Clone Wars (TV)
--boundary between like and dislike for me--
Rise of Skywalker
Rebels (TV)
Solo
The Phantom Menace
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
The Clone Wars (theatrically release TV pilot)
The Ewok Movie/Caravan of Courage (TV)
Star Wars Holiday Special (TV)
Attack of the Clones
(This post was last modified: 12-31-2019 07:38 PM by AppfanInCAAland.)
(12-31-2019 07:34 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote: My Star Wars ranking:
Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars (some people but not me call it A New Hope)
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
The Mandalorian (streaming)
The Clone Wars (TV)
--boundary between like and dislike for me--
Rise of Skywalker
Rebels (TV)
Solo
The Phantom Menace
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
The Clone Wars (theatrically release TV pilot)
The Ewok Movie/Caravan of Courage (TV)
Star Wars Holiday Special (TV)
Attack of the Clones
If you dig that deep where are Ewoks and Droids from 80s Saturday morning cartoon fame?
(This post was last modified: 12-31-2019 09:21 PM by PirateTreasureNC.)
(12-31-2019 07:34 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote: My Star Wars ranking:
Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars (some people but not me call it A New Hope)
Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
The Mandalorian (streaming)
The Clone Wars (TV)
--boundary between like and dislike for me--
Rise of Skywalker
Rebels (TV)
Solo
The Phantom Menace
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
The Clone Wars (theatrically release TV pilot)
The Ewok Movie/Caravan of Courage (TV)
Star Wars Holiday Special (TV)
Attack of the Clones
If you dig that deep where are Ewoks and Droids from 80s Saturday morning cartoon fame?
Dang it, I forgot about those shows. Not sure where I'd rank them but I'm sure they would be ahead of Attack of the Clones. I remember liking those two cartoons when I was 8 years old.
As for the new one, all I can say is I did not hate it, even though I also did not particularly like it. Mostly I found it disappointing. It is disappointing in the sense that there were some good characters created for the new trilogy (I know some disagree but I like both Rey and Kylo Ren), and a decent cast to play those roles (Boyega and Issacs are great but wasted), and also some really great ideas. But none of it amounted to anything, just wheel spinning. I can't help but wonder what the whole Disney trilogy would have been like if they gave the entire thing to a single creative team (specifically JJ as director and story consultant with a different set of writers)
(This post was last modified: 01-01-2020 11:21 PM by AppfanInCAAland.)
(12-30-2019 02:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Disney is reversing course to undo the damage that Darth Kennedy and Darth Johnson did in the trilogy including making the TLJ never happened. As it is, the news is that they hired Ewan McGregor to come back as Obi One. Christian Haydonson is also being brought back as Anakin. There is talks that They are bringing Mark Hamill back as Luke for a Disney + show on Luke Skywalker. TROS and The Mandolorian brought in source materials from the comics, books and the Clone Wars cartoons to tie things up. When Rey claimed she is a Skywalker? It is an FU to Kennedy who is in charged of Lucasfilms who wanted Luke to die, the Lesbian kiss, Rose Tico, that stupid sex bot who wants to be human in Solo and so forth. Rey is Han and Leia's daughter which means Palpatine is Luke and Leia's grandfather. I think they will clran all this up in the Luke Skywalker's tv show. John Faveruea and Dave Filino who are doing The Mandolorian worked with George Lucas on the Clone Wars cartoons from 2008 til now. It is being reported that Favereau is going to replaced Kennedy as the head of Lucasfilms. I could see some writers who will be let go who wanted TLJ to happen.
David, you're speaking of things you don't know. You haven't seen the movie and alot of what you stated above is incorrect.
Like anything else, please educate yourself before coming somewhere and tell us that have seen the movie that we're wrong because you read some blog somewhere.
The cross lightsaber that was introduced in episode 7 came from the Clone Wars cartoon. In other words, episode 7 and 9 actually used canon material from other sources when Disney said they do not exsist. A Force Awakins, TLJ and TROS should have used the Young Jedi Knights as a storyline, or take off from there when Han and Leia had twins and little Anakin Solo as siblings to Ben Solo. Luke trained Leia at the Jedi Academy with Wedge there as well. Wedge is slightly force sensitive. The TROS took elements from the comics, cartoon and books besides the movies. The ending to the movie where Rey claimed to be Skywalker is the direct story that George wanted to say in Episode 3 where Palpatine tells Anakin that he is his father. Now, the hint in TROS is that Rey is Han and Leia's daughter which brings back to the point George wanted to do in the first place in Episode 3.
Again.. you're speaking of things of which are not in the movie you've read some blog from someone. Watch the damn movies.
Star Wars will always get new fans from young people who watched the films with their kids who in turn watch it with their kids. Catering to the Twolight fandom crowd, the Toxic SJWs and other crowds that are not true fans to Star Wars or to the Sci-Fi genre will create this toxic ordeal. Luke Skywalker was supposed to be alive in tRoS.
The issue you had with Rian Johnson, he said he hates leaving films open, so he created a film without a cliffhanger that the original Episode 9 would have continued when left off. Now, we have a complete mess as the true Star Fans hated the TLJ, and are not going to watch 9. Abrams had to Retcon the damage that Johnson laid to waste to the franchise, plus the meddling of Kennedy and Iger wanted the script change in the middle of filming.
(12-30-2019 12:44 PM)gdunn Wrote: Did anyone notice the lesbian kiss in Rise of Skywalker?
How could we not? They put it front and center....
Don't need all this PC bullcrap...
It was not in the original script. It was supposed to be Finn and Poe, but Disney want them to change it. Knives are out right now with blame game.
People forget that Ben is the child of Luke and Mara Jade in a novel back in the early to late 1990s. Many from books by Kevin J. Anderson.
Darksaber
The Jedi Academy
Young Jedi Knights
Mara Jade was created by Timothy Zahn which the character appeared in other books and all that. Heir To The Empire is her first book appearance.
Disney should look at the Star Wars Legends set of books called The Jedi Academy and The Young Jedi Knights as a movie series. Luke Skywalker in the TJA had three books with his own adventures through the universe and fight the Dark Shadow Academy. It would set up to the Young Jedi Knights series which would be the Star Wars Harry Potter type of films which would fit for Disney. They threw away a perfect set of books that actually fit the Harry Potter crowd.
(12-30-2019 12:44 PM)gdunn Wrote: Did anyone notice the lesbian kiss in Rise of Skywalker?
How could we not? They put it front and center....
Don't need all this PC bullcrap...
It was not in the original script. It was supposed to be Finn and Poe, but Disney want them to change it. Knives are out right now with blame game.
People forget that Ben is the child of Luke and Mara Jade in a novel back in the early to late 1990s. Many from books by Kevin J. Anderson.
Darksaber
The Jedi Academy
Young Jedi Knights
Mara Jade was created by Timothy Zahn which the character appeared in other books and all that. Heir To The Empire is her first book appearance.
Disney should look at the Star Wars Legends set of books called The Jedi Academy and The Young Jedi Knights as a movie series. Luke Skywalker in the TJA had three books with his own adventures through the universe and fight the Dark Shadow Academy. It would set up to the Young Jedi Knights series which would be the Star Wars Harry Potter type of films which would fit for Disney. They threw away a perfect set of books that actually fit the Harry Potter crowd.
Actually, they should only look to George Lucas. The rest is a mish mash of various others who took Lucas's characters for their own purposes.
(12-30-2019 12:44 PM)gdunn Wrote: Did anyone notice the lesbian kiss in Rise of Skywalker?
How could we not? They put it front and center....
Don't need all this PC bullcrap...
It was not in the original script. It was supposed to be Finn and Poe, but Disney want them to change it. Knives are out right now with blame game.
People forget that Ben is the child of Luke and Mara Jade in a novel back in the early to late 1990s. Many from books by Kevin J. Anderson.
Darksaber
The Jedi Academy
Young Jedi Knights
Mara Jade was created by Timothy Zahn which the character appeared in other books and all that. Heir To The Empire is her first book appearance.
Disney should look at the Star Wars Legends set of books called The Jedi Academy and The Young Jedi Knights as a movie series. Luke Skywalker in the TJA had three books with his own adventures through the universe and fight the Dark Shadow Academy. It would set up to the Young Jedi Knights series which would be the Star Wars Harry Potter type of films which would fit for Disney. They threw away a perfect set of books that actually fit the Harry Potter crowd.
Actually, they should only look to George Lucas. The rest is a mish mash of various others who took Lucas's characters for their own purposes.
But, Lucas said not all of them are like that. Abrams took elements from Zahn's novels that Jacen Solo was turned by the Sith's to be bad. Jacen then tried to court Ben Skywalker to be with him on the side of the Sith's. Jacen wound up destroying the Jedi Academy and killed Mara Jade. The Rise of Skywalker would have a Flashback of Keylo Ren destroying the Jedi Academy and Luke holding Mara's cloak which would have led Luke to the point of going hermit in The Last Jedi. The Keylo Ren's storyarch is way too much similar to the Jacen Solo, Ben Skywalker and Mara Jade in the books by both Zahn and Anderson's books.
As I started watching a Force Awakens, and it was a terrible script, not enough character development and Abrams stealing ideas from other people like he have done in the past with his Star Trek disaster using the idea of Kahn as one of his own ideas. That is a problem with the Disney's Star Wars trilogy. It was a lack of creative story arcs, and take storyarcs from other sources. Rian Johnson, Jar Jar Abrams and Darth Kennedy destroyed Star Wars.
GDunn, you need to read Zahn's Heir To The Empire series and Anderson's Jedi Academy and Young Jedi Knights to get what I am getting at why these movies suck the big ones. They stole plot lines from Zahn's and Anderson's books. There is a character in one of the books that is so powerful in the force, and turned to the darkside and put Luke in a coma. Once you see what I am talking about? Then, you will see why I am so negative about Abrams' disaster and Johnson's disaster.
They are bringing the Star Wars:Legends back as canon now. The whole trilogy Disney are now admitting that they actually wrecked with the Legacy Characters.
Lando is being reported to have a movie or tv show.
Mara Jade is said to have appeared in The Rise of Skywalker which her part was edited out on Iger's demands because nobody would have known about her, but was surprised that he was wrong.
Luke Skywalker series is in the works with Mark Hamill back as Luke. They do have the de-aging technology to make Mark younger. Mara and Luke might be a series together.
Anakin Skywalker is back and was supposed to be in TROS.
There are talks that Luke, Obi One and Anakin could appeared in the Mandalorian as flashbacks mainly Obi One and Anakin in the show to reveal the Yoda people in the war with Mando's people. It would tell the story of the love/hate between the two groups.
They want George Lucas back to help stir the Star Wars back in the right direction.
They are going be adding another 30 minutes or so to TRoS soon. The ending with Rey with the Force Ghost would have not Luke and Leia, but all the Jedis including Anakin, Obi One and Yoda to name a few. Lando's daughter be revealed and other things that were cut out that made the film sloppy in the rush in edit for released. Disney will be releasing a director's cut that would be 3 hours plus that the film was made, and extra stuff that were scraped like the Matt Smith's character arc that got destroyed.
Abrams' editor confirmed some of these leaks as true. She even said Iger was meddling for them to cut scenes and do a lot of reshoots. It could explain why the film look bad.
(01-07-2020 10:52 AM)gdunn Wrote: Have you seen it yet?
Nope, and I will not see it. I am a Star Wars fan since the 1980s. I read the books. I saw the young Anakin movie and liked Jar Jar Binks.
Like I said, I watched some of the A Force Awakens and hated what they did with the legacy characters. They need to fixed the damage done to the three movies.
Quote:The leakers for TROS had an agenda and are tied to Disney directly. My source confessed that they have an agenda as well in that they struggle with ignoring what’s been happening to someone who they think doesn’t deserve it.
JJ always treated everyone on and offset with respect so my source’s agenda is that what Disney has done to JJ and how much they screwed him over should be something people are at least aware of, whether you like him as a filmmaker or not.
Disney was one of the studios who were in that Bad Robot bidding war last year. Disney never had much interest in BR as a company but they did in JJ because they saw WB (who JJ went with in the end) as a major threat.
JJ is very successful at bringing franchises back like Mission Impossible, Star Trek and Star Wars. WB is struggling with DC and aside from Wonder Woman, DC is still seen as a bit of a joke in its current state by the GA.
WB wants Abrams for some DC projects. My source said that this generation’s Star Wars is the MCU, and Marvel’s biggest threat is a well operational DC. They want to keep DC in the limbo that they’re in right now. Abrams jumpstarting that franchise with something like a successful, audience-pleasing Superman movie makes them nervous. Their goal is to make JJ look bad to potential investors/shareholders.
My source mentioned this shortly after the premiere: “The TROS we saw last night was not the TROS we thought we worked on”.
JJ was devastated and blindsided by this. He’s been feeling down over the last 6 months because of some of the ridiculous demands Disney had that changed his movie’s story. While the scenes were shot, a lot of the changes were made in post-production and the audio was rerecorded and altered. My source said they’ve never seen anything like this happen before. He’s the director and he wasn’t in the know about what they were doing behind his back.
Apparently, JJ felt threatened over the month leading up to the premiere.
Rian was never meant to do IX despite some rumors that he was.
JJ was brought back by Iger, not KK. Disney insisted on more fan service, less controversy.
JJs original agreement when he signed on was indicating he would have way more creative control than he did on TFA. It became evident this wasn’t the case only a couple of weeks into shooting when the trouble with meddling started.
JJ wanted to do some scenes he thought were important but Disney shut it down citing budgetary reasons.
May 2019: JJ argued that those scenes were crucial. He had to let go of one of the scenes. The other scene he insisted on was approved at first. He did reshoots and additional photography in July. The new scene was shot at BR in October.
The “ending that will blow your mind” was a part of this. Older actors were included like Hayden, Ewan and Samuel and anyone who wasn’t animated. The force ghosts weren’t meant to be voices because they shot that footage on camera. The actors were in costumes. Rey was supposed to be surrounded by the force ghosts to serve as sort of a barrier between her and the Sith surrounding them.
My source thinks but can’t 100% confirm that this is because of China. It’s an office talk of sorts. Some VFX people claimed they got a list of approved shades of blue they could use on the Luke force ghosts. Cutting this out was when the bad blood turned into a nightmare for JJ because the movie he was making was suddenly unrecognizable to him in almost every way.
My source knows JJ well enough to know that he’s just not the yelling type but apparently in a meeting he yelled something along the lines of “Why don’t you just put ‘directed and written by Lucasfilm’ then?” My source wasn’t present for that exchange but knows some who were.
Disney demanded they shoot some scenes that would have things in it for merchandise. “They fly now” is one of them. It’s also JJ’s least favorite scene. At a November screening of a 2:37 cut, he cringed, groaned and laughed when the scene was on.
My source says that JJ was most likely not joking when he said “you’re right” in the interview where they asked him about TROS criticism.
JJ’s original early November cut was 3 hours 2 minutes long.
In January, JJ suggested that they turn this into two films. My source told me this well before Terrio mentioned it in an interview a couple of days ago. When Disney said no, JJ was content with making this 3 hours long.
Over a period of 9 months JJ started realizing that one by one his ideas and whole scenes were being thrown out the window or entirely altered by people who have “no business meddling with the creatives”.
They were not on the same page when it came to creative decisions and it became obvious that Disney had an agenda in addition to wanting to please shareholders. Disney could “afford messing up IX for the sake of the bigger picture” when it came to protecting things unrelated to IX.
The cut JJ eventually and hesitantly agreed to in early December was 2:37 minutes long. It wasn’t the cut we saw which he wouldn’t have approved of (and which is 2:22 long). Apart from the force ghosts, there were other crucial and emotional scenes missing. The cut they released looked “chopped and taped back together with weak scotch tape” (JJ's words).
The movie opened with Rey’s training. Her first scene with Rose was shortly after Rey damaged BB-8 during the training. Rose made a silly joke about how Poe is going to kill her for damaging BB-8. There was a moment where Rey took a minute to process what just happened when she saw that vision during training. She looked distressed and worried. The next scene was noise as the Falcon was landing and Rey runs over there. Those two women who kissed at the end were visible in this shot and they were holding hands. One of them ran towards the Falcon as it landed.
Kylo on Mustafar scene was 2 mins longer. There was a moment where Kylo seemed a bit dizzy and his vision was shown as blurry for a second. Almost as if time half-stopped while everyone in the background was slow-mo fighting. Kylo hears Vader's breathing, then shakes his head and time goes back to moving at a normal pace and he jumps right back into the battle (the scene from the trailer where he knocks that guy down which did end up in the movie later).
They cut some of the scenes from the lightspeed skipping segment. Some of the planets that were cut were Kashyyyk, Naboo, and Kamino.
The scene where the tie fighters are chasing them through the iceberg - those corridors were inspired by a video game JJ used to play in the 90s called Rebel Assault 2 (the third level in the game with the tunnels on Endor specifically).
Jannah was confirmed to be Lando’s daughter.
Rey not only healed Kylo's face scar but she killed Kylo when she healed Ben. Kylo ceased to exist when Rey healed him. My source mentioned that some people assume it was Han Solo who healed him but that isn’t true and that wasn't Han Solo. That was Leia using her own memories as well as Ben's to create a physical manifestation of his own thoughts to nudge him towards what he needed to do. That was her own way of communicating that with him. And it wasn't possible without her dying in the process. She made the ultimate sacrifice for her son and this flew over people's heads with the Disney cut.
The late November cut (the last cut JJ approved of) had scenes with Rose and Rey still. JJ wanted to give her a more meaningful arc. Disney felt that that was too risky too. My source mentioned that Chris Terrio said that it was because of the Leia scenes but this is only partially true because she had four other scenes including two with Rey/Daisy that Leia was not in.
Finn wanting to tell Rey something was always meant to be force sensitivity. In the 3 hour cut, it’s explicitly stated. There was a moment when Jannah and he were running on top of that star destroyer and Finn needed to unlock or move something and he force-moved it and acted surprised when it happened. This was replaced with a CGI’d BB-8 fixing whatever he needed to fix on there.
Babu Frik was nearly cut because some execs at Disney thought he would be the new Jar Jar. They are really surprised that people love him this much. He was JJ's idea and was created in collaboration with some artists and puppeteers. The personality was all JJ.
There were a bunch of scenes where Rey and Kylo (separately) went through quiet moments of reflection to deal with what they were going through. On her part, her going through the realization that there's something sinister about her past. Him going through regret and remorse but trying to shut it out. My source said that the Kylo scenes were especially amazing because of Adam's performance and how he managed to portray that inner turmoil. It provided much more context and added deeper meaning to both his battle with Rey and the final redemption arc at the end. It didn't happen so suddenly and it was more structured than what we got.
The Kylo/Rey scene where he dies was at least 4 minutes longer with more dialogue. Ben was always supposed to die. Source also added that if he wasn’t, then that might’ve been in an earlier draft which they haven’t read. The first draft they read included Lando (the first few didn’t). The Reylo kiss and Ben’s death was not part of the reshoots. It was a part of the re-editing. Even the cut that JJ thought was coming out earlier this month had a longer version of that scene than what was shown in the theatrical cut.
JJ was against the Reylo kiss (or Reylo in general). This was Disney's attempt to please both sides of the fandom.
JJ was not happy with where TLJ took the story. The final result is a mix of that story and the story told by Disney and whoever they tried to impress (“certainly not the fans”). JJ is gutted over the final result. Star Wars means a lot to him. He had to sacrifice large chunks of the story in TFA but he was promised more creative control on TROS and instead the leash they had him on was only tightened as time went by. A source said that this is the one franchise and the one piece of his work that he didn't want to mess up and instead it turned into his worst nightmare. When he found out that he was blindsided with the cut they presented, he said "what the ****??" when Kylo was fighting the Knights of Ren at the end and the Williams music that was used for it was not what he wanted at all. He seemed to think it was out of place.
JJ's cut still exists and “will always exist”. We most likely will never see it unless “someone accidentally leaks it.”
Quote:The source asked about FinnPoe after seeing Oscar Isaac's comment about how Disney didn't want it to be a thing. This is true. JJ fought to make this happen. This is why Oscar is blaming Disney. It's not just a random throwaway comment. He knows for a fact that it was Disney because these discussions happened. The main cast is insanely close with JJ and are just as pissed, though seemingly more outspoken about it than JJ. During TFA, Disney was hesitant to hire John Boyega because a woman was front and center so they deemed that risky enough so bringing in a male lead who's black made them nervous. JJ fought to make that happen for about nine months before getting approval. The same issue came up when JJ fought to have Finn&Poe in TROS but he lost that battle as he lost many creative battles for this film. Many people, JJ included, came to the realization during this production that the story really is told by shareholders/investors instead of the creatives or anyone at Disney specifically. He tried to make a lot of things happen and was shut down because of this. They had him on a leash and many blame TLJ for the stricter creative approach.
Quote:One of the more polarizing elements about The Rise of Skywalker is over the fact that the movie is overflowing with fan service. Editor Maryann Brandon admits to this and says it was pretty much inevitable. "Look, sure, it's fan service," the editor said, "[but] if you didn't service the fans, it would be, 'Oh, he didn't go along with the history of Star Wars and what it all means.'" Rian Johnson's lack of fan service in The Last Jedi is believed to be the driving force behind the amount of fan service in the latest movie.
Quote:Disney set The Rise of Skywalker release date for this past December and it could not be removed. J.J. Abrams had to work against that clock to get everything done, which led to some unorthodox ways of doing things, according to Maryann Brandon. She admits that they had three months less this time around then they had when working on The Force Awakens. The editor had this to say about the production rush and the pressure on Abrams to deliver the goods, which has resulted in #ReleaseTheJJCut trending on Twitter.
Quote:"We were definitely still trying to figure out a lot of stuff. It's a struggle. It affected everything. About a third of the way through, [Lucasfilm president] Kathy [Kennedy] was like, 'J.J. has got to spend more time in the cutting room.' And I knew that wasn't going to happen. Not with the schedule that we were on. Not with what he was dealing with on a daily basis... he was just exhausted at the end of the day."
(01-07-2020 10:52 AM)gdunn Wrote: Have you seen it yet?
Nope, and I will not see it. I am a Star Wars fan since the 1980s. I read the books. I saw the young Anakin movie and liked Jar Jar Binks.
Stopped reading there.
It's like my Brother in Law the other night saying he wasn't going to see it and I asked why and he said a guy he worked with said all these things, and I looked at him and said yea those things were explained and were in the movie, what was the guy doing. He said probably playing on his phone.
UNTIL you watch the movies your opinion of them are not important.
I've never seen Star Trek, do you honestly want my opinion of it as a movie series and TV series.
Either of these can happen, I guess, but you can't get both.
