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RE: Which would make more money?: 8 team playoff or a P4 champ only system
P5 Champs + 3 at-large

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Straight 8

I prefer P5 auto-bids without a G5, because of Independent teams. Why does a 2 loss Memphis get in over a 2 loss Notre Dame, that played a much tougher schedule? I don’t mind a clause where an Independent or G5 receives an auto-bid as long as they finish in the top 8.

Straight 8 can become too incestuous where the Big Ten, for example, can schedule a weak sauce OOC and place three teams in the committee’s top 8 via the “eye test” without playing anybody but each other.
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(12-19-2019 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 08:06 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 03:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 02:53 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem with 5-1-2 is that if the AAC continues its climb, then a school like Tulane actually has a safer path to the CFP than Texas A+M does (although Aggy has the resources to contend for a championship immediately).

it's actually true if the AAC climbs or not. In 5-1-2 a G5 team has an easier path to the playoffs than a P5 team.

That's why e.g had there been a 5-1-2 the last 5 years UCF and Memphis and Houston and Boise would have made the playoffs more often than Florida, Florida State, Tennessee, and Texas.

Those who think the P5 will go for that are IMO naive.

Tenn and Tex would not sniff a playoff no matter the system in place. UF also was bad for the last 4 years before this year. FSU has been garbage since Jimbo Fisher left. So Memphis, UH, Boise, and UCF should have gone more than those schools.

You miss the point: As an example, neither Memphis nor Tennessee deserved to be in a 8 team playoff this year. But under 5-1-2, Memphis would have gone while Tennessee wouldn't.

IMO, that would be intolerable to Tennessee, because of the national brand implications of making the playoffs.

With 5-1-2, you will see #15 ranked Boise/Memphis/UCF teams going to the playoffs, and getting all the media attention and brand building that will bring, while "big brother" P5 schools in the same state will NOT go to the playoffs when they are also ranked #15.

For example, compare Memphis to Florida the last five years, four of which you said Florida was "bad". Memphis was ranked #17 this year and #20 in 2016. Florida was ranked #9 this year, #10 last year, and #17 in 2016 and #19 in 2015

And yet under 5-1-2, Memphis would have a trip to the playoffs while Florida would not. So to reiterate, in the past 5 years:

Memphis …. #17 and #20 …. playoff spot

Florida ……. #19, #17, #10, #9 …. no playoff spots.

I don't think the P5 will go for that, but hey, maybe they are dumb.

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It's not so much that the P5 would be dumb, but rather that's the realistic trade-off for having auto-bids for their own champs and not having to be subject to the "eye test" or other subjective criteria. Maybe the P5 has the leverage to get their own auto-bids without providing the G5 with a slot, anyway (in which case, we'd just have a 5-3 system), but it's a reasonable presumption that it will be a negotiating point. I think that you're placing a lot of value on a P5 conference being able to maximize it's ability to get at-large bids, which is a fair argument. However, I very strongly believe that the value of a P5 conference guaranteeing an auto-bid every year is going to be much more important. The fact that the P5 champs would make a straight 8 playoff 99% of the time isn't good enough. It might be good enough for us as fans, but it just won't be good enough for the powers that be. Only 100% guarantees provide power in college football. That's the difference between being the AAC (which might be regularly getting the CFP access bowl slot, but it's not guaranteed) and the ACC (which gets to send lower-ranked Virginia to the Orange Bowl for a ton of money without regard to ranking). Remember that an 8-team playoff will almost certainly upend the economics of the contract bowl system - the P5 gets those guarantees (both access and money) in the contract bowl system, but that will all very likely be subsumed into an 8-team playoff system. Guarantees, guarantees, guarantees. I can't say that enough. Without guarantees, you have nothing.
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RE: Which would make more money?: 8 team playoff or a P4 champ only system
There’s definitely a problem if you give the ACC and/or PAC 12 an autobid but the AAC and MWC can only get in as an at large if those conferences are producing champs ranked higher than the autobid champs but are still getting left out.

This was the problem with the old BCS—the MWC and WAC champs were better than the ACC and Big East champs and it made a mockery of the whole system.
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RE: Which would make more money?: 8 team playoff or a P4 champ only system
(12-19-2019 11:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 08:06 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 03:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 02:53 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The problem with 5-1-2 is that if the AAC continues its climb, then a school like Tulane actually has a safer path to the CFP than Texas A+M does (although Aggy has the resources to contend for a championship immediately).

it's actually true if the AAC climbs or not. In 5-1-2 a G5 team has an easier path to the playoffs than a P5 team.

That's why e.g had there been a 5-1-2 the last 5 years UCF and Memphis and Houston and Boise would have made the playoffs more often than Florida, Florida State, Tennessee, and Texas.

Those who think the P5 will go for that are IMO naive.

Tenn and Tex would not sniff a playoff no matter the system in place. UF also was bad for the last 4 years before this year. FSU has been garbage since Jimbo Fisher left. So Memphis, UH, Boise, and UCF should have gone more than those schools.

You miss the point: As an example, neither Memphis nor Tennessee deserved to be in a 8 team playoff this year. But under 5-1-2, Memphis would have gone while Tennessee wouldn't.

IMO, that would be intolerable to Tennessee, because of the national brand implications of making the playoffs.

With 5-1-2, you will see #15 ranked Boise/Memphis/UCF teams going to the playoffs, and getting all the media attention and brand building that will bring, while "big brother" P5 schools in the same state will NOT go to the playoffs when they are also ranked #15.

For example, compare Memphis to Florida the last five years, four of which you said Florida was "bad". Memphis was ranked #17 this year and #20 in 2016. Florida was ranked #9 this year, #10 last year, and #17 in 2016 and #19 in 2015

And yet under 5-1-2, Memphis would have a trip to the playoffs while Florida would not. So to reiterate, in the past 5 years:

Memphis …. #17 and #20 …. playoff spot

Florida ……. #19, #17, #10, #9 …. no playoff spots.

I don't think the P5 will go for that, but hey, maybe they are dumb.

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It's not so much that the P5 would be dumb, but rather that's the realistic trade-off for having auto-bids for their own champs and not having to be subject to the "eye test" or other subjective criteria. Maybe the P5 has the leverage to get their own auto-bids without providing the G5 with a slot, anyway (in which case, we'd just have a 5-3 system), but it's a reasonable presumption that it will be a negotiating point. I think that you're placing a lot of value on a P5 conference being able to maximize it's ability to get at-large bids, which is a fair argument. However, I very strongly believe that the value of a P5 conference guaranteeing an auto-bid every year is going to be much more important. The fact that the P5 champs would make a straight 8 playoff 99% of the time isn't good enough. It might be good enough for us as fans, but it just won't be good enough for the powers that be. Only 100% guarantees provide power in college football. That's the difference between being the AAC (which might be regularly getting the CFP access bowl slot, but it's not guaranteed) and the ACC (which gets to send lower-ranked Virginia to the Orange Bowl for a ton of money without regard to ranking). Remember that an 8-team playoff will almost certainly upend the economics of the contract bowl system - the P5 gets those guarantees (both access and money) in the contract bowl system, but that will all very likely be subsumed into an 8-team playoff system. Guarantees, guarantees, guarantees. I can't say that enough. Without guarantees, you have nothing.

The issue with 5-1-2 isn't a conference thing, it's a school thing. For example, under 5-1-2, the SEC will always have a team in, so from the conference POV, the issue of the conference power of the SEC is protected. OK on that.

But conferences are made up of schools, schools that have their own power hierarchies to defend. And IMO, if 5-1-2 means that UCF goes to the playoffs more then FSU and Florida, if Houston goes to the playoffs more than Texas and Texas A/M, if Western Michigan goes to the playoffs more than Michigan, and if Boise goes to the playoffs more than USC or Stanford - all but one of which would have happened in just six years of the CFP, that is going to upend the in-state and regional power hierarchies that are every bit as important as conference power, arguably moreso.

So I don't see that trade-off being made. As Delany and Scott just said, missing or making the playoffs is and so under an 8-team playoff will be a big brand thing, a big prestige thing. Possibly the defining characteristic in the minds of the fans and media and boosters as to what a "power" program is. So you think Florida and FSU and Miami are going to want to tolerate UCF crowing about making the playoffs more times than they do? That they will be mollified because the SEC and ACC are guaranteed a spot?

I do not.
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RE: Which would make more money?: 8 team playoff or a P4 champ only system
I’m in favor of a straight 8 based upon pre-agreed, publicly available, factors. If a conference doesn’t produce a worthy champion, too bad.

However, if there must be autobids, then I’d like to see the P5 reduce to a P4. Give each P4 champion an autobid. Give the highest ranking non-P4 school (all independents included) an autobid if they rank higher than any P4 champion. That opens up to 3 or 4 at-large spots.
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The more I see of these 8 team playoff ideas, the more I'm ok with just 4 03-puke
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(12-19-2019 11:36 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  There’s definitely a problem if you give the ACC and/or PAC 12 an autobid but the AAC and MWC can only get in as an at large if those conferences are producing champs ranked higher than the autobid champs but are still getting left out.

This was the problem with the old BCS—the MWC and WAC champs were better than the ACC and Big East champs and it made a mockery of the whole system.

I agree, which is why I favor straight 8 over 5-1-2 or 5-3.

Unworthy P5 champs don't belong in the playoffs any more than unworthy G5 champs.
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(12-18-2019 05:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A lot of folks are focusing on the playoff portion. Sure—a playoff plan that has 9 total games (4 quarterfinals, 2 additional NY6 bowls, 2 semifinals, and a title) is going to have more dollars involved than 3 game system but what about the total impact on their normal tv packages?
To that I say that the model which includes at-larges would make more money than a champs only model. Even if it was, say, 8 conference champs and lots of G5 opportunity; because the SEC and P5 make the most money, more of their teams in the playoff will also make the most money.

The question of 5-3 or 5-1-2 is hedging against potential collusion charges; plus, that extra spot does infuse hope, money, and attention to the oft neglected lower half of FBS. The BCS rule (Top 12, 16 if ahead of a P5 champ) is a good compromise point to start negotiations.
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(12-18-2019 05:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A lot of folks are focusing on the playoff portion. Sure—a playoff plan that has 9 total games (4 quarterfinals, 2 additional NY6 bowls, 2 semifinals, and a title) is going to have more dollars involved than 3 game system but what about the total impact on their normal tv packages?

I actually think that's where an 8-team playoff would enhance the regular season TV packages. More teams are going to have an objective mathematical chance at the playoff (assuming that there are P5 auto-bids), which means that more games are going to have playoff implications, which means that there are going to be a whole lot more important games every Saturday.

If you watch both college football and NFL, you can see the contrast right away.

Unless you're a fan of a handful of elite teams (e.g. Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, etc.) plus a small handful of other contenders, the big games generally involve someone *other* than your own team. I believe that you're an Ohio State fan, so this might be a blind spot because the Buckeyes are in big games all of the time.

In contrast, in the NFL, as long as your own team still has a mathematical chance for the playoffs, every game for YOUR team is a big game.

As a result, virtually every late afternoon NFL game on Fox or CBS (we're not even talking about Sunday Night Football) draws higher ratings than the College Football Playoff semifinals and several of them actually drew higher ratings than the national championship game last year. Why? Because NFL fans are generally watching their *own* team with playoff stakes at hand, which means that they have a whole lot more personal investment in watching every game compared to a neutral college football fan watching the national game of the week on ABC.

That's why I think having an objective mathematical path to the playoffs really matters even if a subjective system might produce a similar (or even the same) playoff field. My interest in watching my Chicago Bears this week (after being eliminated from the playoffs) has plummeted compared to watching them last week (when they had about a 5% chance of making the playoffs... but it was still a chance). Still, the fact that the entire Chicago market is still engaged well into December simply based on a 5% chance of making the playoffs is instructive. Multiply that across many other NFL markets and you can see why the NFL is the most powerful entity in all of media today (not just sports). In contrast, the current college football playoff system is designed to eliminate all but a handful of teams from the national conversation by the end of September. That's a whole lot potential viewers from a lot of fan bases that are being left on the table.

So, you're actually right that it's not just about the playoff. What can elevate interest, viewers and revenue is that a critical mass of teams will have a mathematical chance (however slight) well into the season. This isn't just about who actually makes the playoff, but rather how many more teams actually have a *chance* for the playoff. A fan is always going to inherently be more motivated in watching his/her own team and the rest of the sport in general if his/her own team is actually in the playoff race.
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Frank is right, but I was making the point that these institutions are very selfish in nature and very rarely make "team over self" moves.

5-1-2 is great for the sport. It also will be contested heavily before being implemented. Viewership and alumni will be kicked aside to maintain ego. It is what it is.
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RE: Which would make more money?: 8 team playoff or a P4 champ only system
I traditionally had thought a straight 8 was better than a 5-1-2 because it gave the P5 too much of advantage in recruiting.

But the problem with a straight 8 is its just going to be more of the same behemoth programs with nobody that competes in less than a 70,000 seater represented. Once in a while a Baylor or UCF get in on a really big season.

With the 5-1-2 not only do you have a Top 20 G5 program in the mix annual but also a Top 20 PAC program so two little guys are guaranteed to shake things up.

A reduction to a P4 would be tough for the smaller P5 programs. P4 champs would be Ohio St (B1G), LSU (SEC), Clemson (ACC) and Oklahoma wherever they are playing. This would largely defeat the purpose of expanding to 8 if the developmental programs only have a sliver of hope in making it.

5-1-2 with a Top 25 clause for undefeated teams is a good compromise. That would prevent a UMass or NMSU from cheating too much on the schedule because they are already at a disadvantage on a 12 game schedule without a CCG.
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(12-20-2019 09:14 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  Frank is right, but I was making the point that these institutions are very selfish in nature and very rarely make "team over self" moves.

5-1-2 is great for the sport. It also will be contested heavily before being implemented. Viewership and alumni will be kicked aside to maintain ego. It is what it is.

In the current 4 team system there is like zero advantage of a #1 or #2 seed. LSU has to play Oklahoma who is a very dangerous team at 1 loss while Ohio St and Clemson two undefeated teams square off.

In a 5-1-2 system LSU would be taking on Memphis in the Quarterfinals and OSU would be taking on Baylor both teams they should beat. Seeds in this situation feel more like a reward.
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(12-20-2019 09:30 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I traditionally had thought a straight 8 was better than a 5-1-2 because it gave the P5 too much of advantage in recruiting.

But the problem with a straight 8 is its just going to be more of the same behemoth programs with nobody that competes in less than a 70,000 seater represented. Once in a while a Baylor or UCF get in on a really big season.

With the 5-1-2 not only do you have a Top 20 G5 program in the mix annual but also a Top 20 PAC program so two little guys are guaranteed to shake things up.

A reduction to a P4 would be tough for the smaller P5 programs. P4 champs would be Ohio St (B1G), LSU (SEC), Clemson (ACC) and Oklahoma wherever they are playing. This would largely defeat the purpose of expanding to 8 if the developmental programs only have a sliver of hope in making it.

5-1-2 with a Top 25 clause for undefeated teams is a good compromise. That would prevent a UMass or NMSU from cheating too much on the schedule because they are already at a disadvantage on a 12 game schedule without a CCG.

I honestly never thought UMass would be mentioned in a thread about teams making the playoffs.
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(12-18-2019 02:15 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let’s consider a pair of options:

Option A: The SEC, Big Ten, and ACC expand at the expense of the Big 12. Those 3, along with the PAC 12, form a champs only, plus 1 model 4 team playoff among their champs

Option B: P5 membership remains static, a 5-1-2 Playoff is implemented wherein 2 of the NY6 bowls host both an exhibition game (from the top 4 ranked teams not in the playoff) and a semifinal game while the other 4 host quarterfinal games on rotating basis.

Which would be more lucrative for the parties involved considering both the value of their regular season media income and their revenues from the playoff system and/or other bowl revenue?

If you could get the SEC and B10 to agree. This makes the most sense and probably the most money. Basically recreating the old 1aa FBS to play in the bowls against P4 or G5.

I would go with the 10 team 8 divisions. Some will hate this but B12 teams probably all get to go. Teams pulled out of the G5 and Independence. Assuming Navy goes to the ACC. My pool would allow each conference one Football Only to accomadate BYU, Air Force, Army and Navy. Next would probably be pooled primarily from AAC and MWC.

Allows NCAA to keep basketball with D1 instead of pull out of the P5.
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(12-19-2019 05:38 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I actually think that's where an 8-team playoff would enhance the regular season TV packages. More teams are going to have an objective mathematical chance at the playoff (assuming that there are P5 auto-bids), which means that more games are going to have playoff implications, which means that there are going to be a whole lot more important games every Saturday.

If you watch both college football and NFL, you can see the contrast right away.

Unless you're a fan of a handful of elite teams (e.g. Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, etc.) plus a small handful of other contenders, the big games generally involve someone *other* than your own team. I believe that you're an Ohio State fan, so this might be a blind spot because the Buckeyes are in big games all of the time.

In contrast, in the NFL, as long as your own team still has a mathematical chance for the playoffs, every game for YOUR team is a big game.

As a result, virtually every late afternoon NFL game on Fox or CBS (we're not even talking about Sunday Night Football) draws higher ratings than the College Football Playoff semifinals and several of them actually drew higher ratings than the national championship game last year. Why? Because NFL fans are generally watching their *own* team with playoff stakes at hand, which means that they have a whole lot more personal investment in watching every game compared to a neutral college football fan watching the national game of the week on ABC.

That's why I think having an objective mathematical path to the playoffs really matters even if a subjective system might produce a similar (or even the same) playoff field. My interest in watching my Chicago Bears this week (after being eliminated from the playoffs) has plummeted compared to watching them last week (when they had about a 5% chance of making the playoffs... but it was still a chance). Still, the fact that the entire Chicago market is still engaged well into December simply based on a 5% chance of making the playoffs is instructive. Multiply that across many other NFL markets and you can see why the NFL is the most powerful entity in all of media today (not just sports). In contrast, the current college football playoff system is designed to eliminate all but a handful of teams from the national conversation by the end of September. That's a whole lot potential viewers from a lot of fan bases that are being left on the table.

So, you're actually right that it's not just about the playoff. What can elevate interest, viewers and revenue is that a critical mass of teams will have a mathematical chance (however slight) well into the season. This isn't just about who actually makes the playoff, but rather how many more teams actually have a *chance* for the playoff. A fan is always going to inherently be more motivated in watching his/her own team and the rest of the sport in general if his/her own team is actually in the playoff race.

Has this helped to boost MLB ratings for regional networks significantly? Attendance has still been declining even after adding a wild card team. What about NCAAM expansion (albeit 65 to 68 isn't very significant)? I don't know what sport where adding the teams has perked significantly more interest in the sport, unless you want to go back to the 80s when the NFL was still at 4 for each conference. If this is the case why hasn't the NFL rushed to add 7 teams and two extra wild card games? The fact that they haven't done this while we are at almost peak saturation in the NFL is VERY telling. Likewise, there is not a massive upside going from 4 to 8.
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(12-19-2019 05:38 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  So, you're actually right that it's not just about the playoff. What can elevate interest, viewers and revenue is that a critical mass of teams will have a mathematical chance (however slight) well into the season.

An 8-team playoff may increase ratings because of mathematical chances of making it, etc. but I don't think comparing to the NFL is instructive. NFL games get higher ratings than CFB games because the NFL is the highest level of football and casual fans want to see a sport at the highest level. And because usually support for a team in an area is universal. E.g., in greater Chicago you might have Northwestern and Illinois and Notre Dame fans, but basically everyone roots for the Bears.

If we are going to compare, the obvious benchmark is college basketball. And in hoops, all teams have a mathematical chance of making the playoffs for about 98% of the season. Even an awful 4-25 team usually isn't eliminated until the first round of their conference tournament, which may take place 5 days before selection Sunday.

And yet … CFB not college hoops "drives the bus" of conference TV deals.
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Even though I'm a fan of an AAC team I'd honestly prefer just a pure top 8 playoff regardless of conference, but the power leagues are the ones who'd never actually agree to that. The G5 obviously doesn't have a lot of power, but probably enough to ensure it wouldn't be just the 5 champs and 3 at large. It's gonna end up being the 5 champs, best G5, and then 2 at large teams.
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i would be in favor of an 8 team playoff that includes the best eight teams and no automatic berth for the P5 conferences. With that said, it would have to be a strange season in which all the conferences weren’t represented.

I could see a scenario where one of the eight bids is reserved for a G5 member given some of the scheduling disadvantages they have.
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RE: Which would make more money?: 8 team playoff or a P4 champ only system
(12-20-2019 11:32 AM)Realigned Wrote:  i would be in favor of an 8 team playoff that includes the best eight teams and no automatic berth for the P5 conferences. With that said, it would have to be a strange season in which all the conferences weren’t represented.

I could see a scenario where one of the eight bids is reserved for a G5 member given some of the scheduling disadvantages they have.

Since 2008 (12 seasons) there were 6 in which one of the P5 conferences did not have a team ranked in the Top 8. But most of those (5) came between 2008 and 2012 when the ACC didn't have a single highly ranked team. During those years, 5 teams then in the G5 (3 are still in G5) were ranked in the Top 8: Boise in 2011 and 2009, and Cincinnati in 2009. TCU (2010) and Utah (2008) were the others.

In 2018, the PAC was not represented, as their best team, Washington, was ranked #9, just behind UCF which was the only G5 team ranked that high since 2011.
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RE: Which would make more money?: 8 team playoff or a P4 champ only system
If, in the past five seasons, there had been an 8 team playoff in which every conference champion or independent ranked in the Top 12 was an automatic qualifier, we would have seen:

Every year, every P5 champion would have qualified.

In two of the five years, a G5 champion would have qualified (UCF in 2017 and 2018).

Notre Dame would have qualified twice.

In 2018, there would have been 7 Automatic Qualifiers.

Every year there would have been at least 1 at-large team, and in two years there would have been 3 teams at-large.
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