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(12-18-2019 07:53 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(12-18-2019 05:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The 4 other P5s will wait and see if the Big 12 survives the expiration of its GoR intact, in which case they may well pursue an 8-team CFP for the next cycle. If it becomes a P4, however, with de facto autobids for P4 conference champs, then there is no need for expanding the CFP from the perspective of the powers-that-be. It would be preferable to simply expand the CCG to a 2-round affair than expand the CFP.

How many times does this have to be said? ESPN has ZERO interest in champs only. It simply will not happen no matter how nice and neat and orderly and it makes OCD types happy-we aren't having a 4X16 where everyone places 10 conferences games and we have a 4 team champs only playoff.

On top of that, the exclusion of G5 is very problematic.

I'm unsure how you know ESPN that has no interest in champs only. A P4 doesn't have to be 4x16, nor do there need to be 10 conference games (I don't even know where you're getting that from). And the G5 are excluded already for most practical purposes. I don't think that in a P4 scenario it'd be de jure autobids for the P4 champs. It would just take the form of contracts with the New Year's bowls. Perhaps there would be some provision that if a conference champ was unranked, another team would be chosen instead, which could theoretically be one from outside the power conference.

It was mentioned a number of times when the CFP was being negotiated. Conference champs only was a non-starter for ESPN. If for no other reason than Notre Dame.

As for the rest, you don't understand satire. The "OCD" bit was a joke.

There's a difference between practical exclusion and rules based exclusion. The G5 still have a theoretical chance. TCU would have made it in 2010 as a member of the MWC.
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Delaney is retiring this summer. He’s going to say a lot of things that he’ll have no part in making happen.
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(12-18-2019 08:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delaney is retiring this summer. He’s going to say a lot of things that he’ll have no part in making happen.

Yes, but many do not seem to realize this and are getting unduly excited.
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(12-18-2019 08:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delaney is retiring this summer. He’s going to say a lot of things that he’ll have no part in making happen.

He still speaks for the Presidents.

Pac 12 wants expansion.
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(12-18-2019 07:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 05:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The 4 other P5s will wait and see if the Big 12 survives the expiration of its GoR intact, in which case they may well pursue an 8-team CFP for the next cycle. If it becomes a P4, however, with de facto autobids for P4 conference champs, then there is no need for expanding the CFP from the perspective of the powers-that-be. It would be preferable to simply expand the CCG to a 2-round affair than expand the CFP.

How many times does this have to be said? ESPN has ZERO interest in champs only. It simply will not happen no matter how nice and neat and orderly and it makes OCD types happy-we aren't having a 4X16 where everyone places 10 conferences games and we have a 4 team champs only playoff.

On top of that, the exclusion of G5 is very problematic.

I'm unsure how you know ESPN that has no interest in champs only. A P4 doesn't have to be 4x16, nor do there need to be 10 conference games (I don't even know where you're getting that from). And the G5 are excluded already for most practical purposes. I don't think that in a P4 scenario it'd be de jure autobids for the P4 champs. It would just take the form of contracts with the New Year's bowls. Perhaps there would be some provision that if a conference champ was unranked, another team would be chosen instead, which could theoretically be one from outside the power conference.

It was mentioned a number of times when the CFP was being negotiated. Conference champs only was a non-starter for ESPN. If for no other reason than Notre Dame.

As for the rest, you don't understand satire. The "OCD" bit was a joke.

There's a difference between practical exclusion and rules based exclusion. The G5 still have a theoretical chance. TCU would have made it in 2010 as a member of the MWC.

With 4 teams, yes. With 8 or more, Notre Dame still has a path (and probably easier than any SEC/B1G team
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What kind of change does he have in mind? If it’s an expansion to 8 teams just so 3 SEC and 3 BIGTen teams can get in then no thanks.
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One thing I wouldn't give any weight on is the Delany comments about a 50-50 shot something changes prior to the completion of the 6 year cycle.

The trial balloon on a 5-1-2 is just begging to float out there. By the time there are serious conversations a couple more years and even more time for an agreement. Then it will only be a few more years until the contract is up.
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(12-18-2019 09:50 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  What kind of change does he have in mind? If it’s an expansion to 8 teams just so 3 SEC and 3 BIGTen teams can get in then no thanks.

That would be even more boring than the system we have today.
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(12-18-2019 08:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 07:53 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 07:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 05:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The 4 other P5s will wait and see if the Big 12 survives the expiration of its GoR intact, in which case they may well pursue an 8-team CFP for the next cycle. If it becomes a P4, however, with de facto autobids for P4 conference champs, then there is no need for expanding the CFP from the perspective of the powers-that-be. It would be preferable to simply expand the CCG to a 2-round affair than expand the CFP.

How many times does this have to be said? ESPN has ZERO interest in champs only. It simply will not happen no matter how nice and neat and orderly and it makes OCD types happy-we aren't having a 4X16 where everyone places 10 conferences games and we have a 4 team champs only playoff.

On top of that, the exclusion of G5 is very problematic.

I'm unsure how you know ESPN that has no interest in champs only. A P4 doesn't have to be 4x16, nor do there need to be 10 conference games (I don't even know where you're getting that from). And the G5 are excluded already for most practical purposes. I don't think that in a P4 scenario it'd be de jure autobids for the P4 champs. It would just take the form of contracts with the New Year's bowls. Perhaps there would be some provision that if a conference champ was unranked, another team would be chosen instead, which could theoretically be one from outside the power conference.

It was mentioned a number of times when the CFP was being negotiated. Conference champs only was a non-starter for ESPN. If for no other reason than Notre Dame.

As for the rest, you don't understand satire. The "OCD" bit was a joke.

There's a difference between practical exclusion and rules based exclusion. The G5 still have a theoretical chance. TCU would have made it in 2010 as a member of the MWC.

I understand satire. It was not at all clear your intent was satire. I have seen others seriously mocking a preference for 4x16 as OCD.
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RE: Jim Delany: SEC, ACC snub could spur playoff change
(12-18-2019 08:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 07:53 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 07:34 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 05:51 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  The 4 other P5s will wait and see if the Big 12 survives the expiration of its GoR intact, in which case they may well pursue an 8-team CFP for the next cycle. If it becomes a P4, however, with de facto autobids for P4 conference champs, then there is no need for expanding the CFP from the perspective of the powers-that-be. It would be preferable to simply expand the CCG to a 2-round affair than expand the CFP.

How many times does this have to be said? ESPN has ZERO interest in champs only. It simply will not happen no matter how nice and neat and orderly and it makes OCD types happy-we aren't having a 4X16 where everyone places 10 conferences games and we have a 4 team champs only playoff.

On top of that, the exclusion of G5 is very problematic.

I'm unsure how you know ESPN that has no interest in champs only. A P4 doesn't have to be 4x16, nor do there need to be 10 conference games (I don't even know where you're getting that from). And the G5 are excluded already for most practical purposes. I don't think that in a P4 scenario it'd be de jure autobids for the P4 champs. It would just take the form of contracts with the New Year's bowls. Perhaps there would be some provision that if a conference champ was unranked, another team would be chosen instead, which could theoretically be one from outside the power conference.

It was mentioned a number of times when the CFP was being negotiated. Conference champs only was a non-starter for ESPN. If for no other reason than Notre Dame.

As for the rest, you don't understand satire. The "OCD" bit was a joke.

There's a difference between practical exclusion and rules based exclusion. The G5 still have a theoretical chance. TCU would have made it in 2010 as a member of the MWC.

I’m not convinced TCU would’ve made it. It’s easy to put a non-power school at 3 or 4 when only the top 2 make it. With a 4-school playoff, they may have somehow slipped into 5 or 6. With 8? Could’ve been at 9 or 10. I could be wrong but I wouldn’t put it past a committee to do such a thing.
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RE: Jim Delany: SEC, ACC snub could spur playoff change
Delany's comments were merely a troll of the Network which hampered his plans for a totally self owned an independent BTN by refusing to seek carriage for rights that didn't belong to them, even though they then held T1 & T2 rights for the Big 10 and still do.

He was trolling ESPN because of how they tried to scoop up Big East schools out of the assumption that Delany might expand with them to get his independent BTN into New England.

And he was trolling ESPN for almost scooping Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas out from under FOX's noses in an effort of keeping FOX and the Big 10 from moving Southward into recruiting hotbeds.

The SEC is a majority ESPN product and the ACC is 100% owned by ESPN, and the CFP and bowl structure belongs to ESPN.

So Delaney was essentially saying, "When Hell Freezes Over and the SEC and ACC miss the playoffs Then We Might Have an Excuse to go to 8 Schools."

I see this as a thumbing of the nose at Mickey Mouse and essentially getting a dig in at their control, their ownership of the rights, media means, and their endorsement of the CFP committee to a championship which so far has only been missed by non majority ESPN conferences.

And it is a dig at Sankey who is on record as saying "No" to expanding the playoffs.

I don't see any of this as being a serous observation as much as it is a vehicle designed to convey a Sicilian message to a company that he had to do business with, but really didn't respect.
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(12-18-2019 09:40 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Delaney is retiring this summer. He’s going to say a lot of things that he’ll have no part in making happen.

He still speaks for the Presidents.

Pac 12 wants expansion.

Yes - even though Delany is retiring, he is probably example #1 of not saying anything unless he's authorized to do so by the Big Ten presidents. As I've stated in other threads, the mere fact that he is publicly on-the-record of being open to an 8-team playoff is a HUGE deal. Delany doesn't just provide random comments on huge institutional issues like this one. He knows full well that anything he states on the playoff will get a ton of media coverage, so he can't speak out of turn.
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The Delany comments suggest folks in positions of influence are discussing an eight-team playoff in a fairly serious manner.

This is not some random off-the-cuff remark. It was calculated.
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(12-19-2019 10:04 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The Delany comments suggest folks in positions of influence are discussing an eight-team playoff in a fairly serious manner.

This is not some random off-the-cuff remark. It was calculated.

You very well could be right. But I'd be more confident that you are right if Delany wasn't a lame duck commissioner. He now has a lot more degrees of freedom to speculate off the cuff than he would if he wasn't.
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(12-19-2019 12:33 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Delany's comments were merely a troll of the Network which hampered his plans for a totally self owned an independent BTN by refusing to seek carriage for rights that didn't belong to them, even though they then held T1 & T2 rights for the Big 10 and still do.

He was trolling ESPN because of how they tried to scoop up Big East schools out of the assumption that Delany might expand with them to get his independent BTN into New England.

And he was trolling ESPN for almost scooping Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas out from under FOX's noses in an effort of keeping FOX and the Big 10 from moving Southward into recruiting hotbeds.

The SEC is a majority ESPN product and the ACC is 100% owned by ESPN, and the CFP and bowl structure belongs to ESPN.

So Delaney was essentially saying, "When Hell Freezes Over and the SEC and ACC miss the playoffs Then We Might Have an Excuse to go to 8 Schools."

I see this as a thumbing of the nose at Mickey Mouse and essentially getting a dig in at their control, their ownership of the rights, media means, and their endorsement of the CFP committee to a championship which so far has only been missed by non majority ESPN conferences.

And it is a dig at Sankey who is on record as saying "No" to expanding the playoffs.

I don't see any of this as being a serous observation as much as it is a vehicle designed to convey a Sicilian message to a company that he had to do business with, but really didn't respect.

Eh - I wouldn't say that this is a Big Ten/ESPN thing considering that ESPN is still paying his league $200 million-plus per year along with the Rose Bowl contract. Similar to the NFL, the Big Ten is going to take every opportunity to maximize its leverage in the media marketplace and always make sure that there's someone on the outside that's going to create a bidding war for TV rights. That's quite different than having some type of personal emotional vendetta against ESPN. To be sure, I see it as a Sicilian message, too, but in a different way. As the Corleone family would say, it's not personal, but strictly business.

Separately, it's unlikely that the SEC will miss the playoff, but as I've noted elsewhere, unpredictable things happen all of the time in sports (which is the entire reason why we watch sports in the first place). I certainly wouldn't say it would take hell freezing over for the ACC to miss the playoff. In fact, all that it would take is Clemson having a single bad day. Even coaches and programs where the usual standard is perfection (such as Nick Saban and Alabama) have bad days from time to time.

So, I really do think that the support for an 8-team playoff is growing. People that matter (such as conference commissioners as opposed to fans) are seeing that the "eye test" bias is real having now seen the CFP system in practice over several years. Sure, the sense of urgency is going to be greater for a conference that's locked out as opposed to one that's included... but note that the Big Ten argued against changing the BCS system for many years even though it actually performed the worst out of all of the power conferences from the perspective of making it to the national title game.

I think what has changed is that a conference getting left out of today's CFP system carries a much different stigma despite the fact that it's always a *team* that makes it to the playoff as opposed to a *conference*. The ACC isn't a better football conference than the Pac-12, but it does have a better top *team* with Clemson. So, the perception is the ACC is successful in today's CFP system, but the reality is that *Clemson* is successful in today's CFP system and the ACC is fortunate to come along for the ride. The SEC might feel safe regardless of the playoff format, but the ACC certainly shouldn't (as not that long ago they were regularly sending some of the weakest teams to the BCS system and as evidenced by where their runner-up UVA is ranked this year). Eventually, at least 4 of the P5 are going to have been shut out of the CFP and that's going to have an impact.

Frankly, I don't see why the SEC would object outside of just publicly creating more leverage for itself to ensure that it maximizes revenue (which is probably the real reason for Stankey's comments). Similarly, Big Ten and Pac-12 publicly fought the CFP even though they knew that system was eventually going to come to pass. Ultimately, all of those public objections were really about maximizing their own revenue and protecting the Rose Bowl relationship in that playoff system. I'd expect the same from the SEC in an 8-team playoff proposal - they'll publicly "object" in order to create leverage to obtain the concessions that they really want (whether it's guaranteed money or making sure that their champ always goes to New Orleans or some other friendly de facto home field side, etc.).
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(12-19-2019 10:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 10:04 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The Delany comments suggest folks in positions of influence are discussing an eight-team playoff in a fairly serious manner.

This is not some random off-the-cuff remark. It was calculated.

You very well could be right. But I'd be more confident that you are right if Delany wasn't a lame duck commissioner. He now has a lot more degrees of freedom to speculate off the cuff than he would if he wasn't.

I get the argument... but that's simply not how Jim Delany works. He's not an off the cuff person, *especially* on a sensitive issue like the state of the playoff system. The playoff system is a university president-level issue. We're not talking about some minutiae here. He knows full well what he's doing here.
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Quote:Delany called it "painful and damaging" for a league to be left out of the playoff, echoing the recent comments from Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott.

Wow. I guess the conference members of the American Athletic Conference understand. Sorry, PAC 12- it must be tough.
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(12-19-2019 10:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 10:04 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The Delany comments suggest folks in positions of influence are discussing an eight-team playoff in a fairly serious manner.

This is not some random off-the-cuff remark. It was calculated.

You very well could be right. But I'd be more confident that you are right if Delany wasn't a lame duck commissioner. He now has a lot more degrees of freedom to speculate off the cuff than he would if he wasn't.


The lame duck element is a factor, Quo. Good point. But I don't foresee James Delany being the typical "retired commissioner formerly of a P5 league." He will be active and influential behind the scenes. My mother worked for two years with JD when he was OVC commissioner. She has a fairly good feel for the man and noted even back in the 1980s that everything he does had a purpose, a focus and, often, an ulterior motive.

As Frank the Tank notes in this thread: "[Delany] knows full well what he's doing here." I agree.

And on Frank's theme, I feel Delany already knows full well what he "will be doing" when he's "retired."

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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(12-19-2019 10:19 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 12:33 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Delany's comments were merely a troll of the Network which hampered his plans for a totally self owned an independent BTN by refusing to seek carriage for rights that didn't belong to them, even though they then held T1 & T2 rights for the Big 10 and still do.

He was trolling ESPN because of how they tried to scoop up Big East schools out of the assumption that Delany might expand with them to get his independent BTN into New England.

And he was trolling ESPN for almost scooping Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas out from under FOX's noses in an effort of keeping FOX and the Big 10 from moving Southward into recruiting hotbeds.

The SEC is a majority ESPN product and the ACC is 100% owned by ESPN, and the CFP and bowl structure belongs to ESPN.

So Delaney was essentially saying, "When Hell Freezes Over and the SEC and ACC miss the playoffs Then We Might Have an Excuse to go to 8 Schools."

I see this as a thumbing of the nose at Mickey Mouse and essentially getting a dig in at their control, their ownership of the rights, media means, and their endorsement of the CFP committee to a championship which so far has only been missed by non majority ESPN conferences.

And it is a dig at Sankey who is on record as saying "No" to expanding the playoffs.

I don't see any of this as being a serous observation as much as it is a vehicle designed to convey a Sicilian message to a company that he had to do business with, but really didn't respect.

Eh - I wouldn't say that this is a Big Ten/ESPN thing considering that ESPN is still paying his league $200 million-plus per year along with the Rose Bowl contract. Similar to the NFL, the Big Ten is going to take every opportunity to maximize its leverage in the media marketplace and always make sure that there's someone on the outside that's going to create a bidding war for TV rights. That's quite different than having some type of personal emotional vendetta against ESPN. To be sure, I see it as a Sicilian message, too, but in a different way. As the Corleone family would say, it's not personal, but strictly business.

Separately, it's unlikely that the SEC will miss the playoff, but as I've noted elsewhere, unpredictable things happen all of the time in sports (which is the entire reason why we watch sports in the first place). I certainly wouldn't say it would take hell freezing over for the ACC to miss the playoff. In fact, all that it would take is Clemson having a single bad day. Even coaches and programs where the usual standard is perfection (such as Nick Saban and Alabama) have bad days from time to time.

So, I really do think that the support for an 8-team playoff is growing. People that matter (such as conference commissioners as opposed to fans) are seeing that the "eye test" bias is real having now seen the CFP system in practice over several years. Sure, the sense of urgency is going to be greater for a conference that's locked out as opposed to one that's included... but note that the Big Ten argued against changing the BCS system for many years even though it actually performed the worst out of all of the power conferences from the perspective of making it to the national title game.

I think what has changed is that a conference getting left out of today's CFP system carries a much different stigma despite the fact that it's always a *team* that makes it to the playoff as opposed to a *conference*. The ACC isn't a better football conference than the Pac-12, but it does have a better top *team* with Clemson. So, the perception is the ACC is successful in today's CFP system, but the reality is that *Clemson* is successful in today's CFP system and the ACC is fortunate to come along for the ride. The SEC might feel safe regardless of the playoff format, but the ACC certainly shouldn't (as not that long ago they were regularly sending some of the weakest teams to the BCS system and as evidenced by where their runner-up UVA is ranked this year). Eventually, at least 4 of the P5 are going to have been shut out of the CFP and that's going to have an impact.

Frankly, I don't see why the SEC would object outside of just publicly creating more leverage for itself to ensure that it maximizes revenue (which is probably the real reason for Stankey's comments). Similarly, Big Ten and Pac-12 publicly fought the CFP even though they knew that system was eventually going to come to pass. Ultimately, all of those public objections were really about maximizing their own revenue and protecting the Rose Bowl relationship in that playoff system. I'd expect the same from the SEC in an 8-team playoff proposal - they'll publicly "object" in order to create leverage to obtain the concessions that they really want (whether it's guaranteed money or making sure that their champ always goes to New Orleans or some other friendly de facto home field side, etc.).

Frank I have no doubts but what the positioning for leverage is a motivation in anyone's comments. But that doesn't genuinely express support so much as it prepares the field for a response to a possible outcome. Covering all bases is always a logical approach to a matter whether you are for it or against it.

Suffice it to say that in the SEC's case the amount of revenue promised would have to be substantial to replace the CCG. A format that keep the CCG would be one compromise approach and if that were tendered then access and location might factor in.

But Frank, this all presupposes that other issues don't alter the course of any potential change in the CFP structure. We have image rights to be hammered out, pay for play to be decided, contracts that will widen the gaps between conferences looming which could usher in more movement, and network positions to be ironed out. Any of that or all could alter whether or not there is expansion of the playoffs, and if so how and when it will transpire if it happens at all.

This is why I don't read much into Delany's remarks except for his highlighting what has been an inappropriate informal control of the process by 1 corporate entity, which is of course leveraging the position of the Big 10 should we head in that direction.
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RE: Jim Delany: SEC, ACC snub could spur playoff change
I agree with Frank on all this. Except the permanent Rose Bowl tie-in for the B1G vs P12 Champions as the first round (ditto Orange, Cotton, Sugar for the other conferences). And it's a Sicilian argument. The NY6 exists to create a rotation of Bowls for the Playoffs. Having 6, plus the "near NY6" of the Citrus nipping at their heals, creates competition to maximize the payout. The Peach and Fiesta Bowl add to the value and leverage. Soon new stadiums in Las Vegas and LA may be able to add to the competition. The Peach is in the new Falcons Stadium and in a real sense is pressure on New Orleans for SEC affection -- it's also leverage.

What I'm saying is every third year the Rose Bowl will not be a playoff game but a consolation (as opposed to two out of three years now) for top ten schools.

The other argument is going to 8 would improve stability of the conferences. There is not much appetite to expand, despite Delaney's comments, although the Football playoff with only 4 teams is pushing that direction -- I don't think the B1G or SEC really want this path, as after OU and Texas there is no net positive addition out there for expansion, and there is no need for more inventory. It's road they don't want to go down. I suspect the reason Delaney mentioned it because it is such a negative for the conferences that it might compel them to work for an expanded playoff to avoid such a direction.

Back to the point, it is for leverage with the Bowls themselves that there is a NY6 and going to a "NY4" first round removes that.
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