Auburn does get a healthy amount of Georgia students (state of Georgia) right now, but Auburn could get even more if they would change their position on the Hope Scholarship, IMO. This is how a lot of Georgians go to college, I hear, and could help solidify Auburn's recruiting position in the state of Georgia. Right now, Auburn refuses to accept the Hope Scholarship or to even match funds for it. I know Auburn does this with other states as well, but, IMO, the state of Georgia is different because that's where Auburn gets the vast majority of its out of state students.

I thought Auburn’s position was predicted on the state of Alabama’s efforts to implement a lottery of their with a similar structure to HOPE. I thought Jacksonville State in Gadsden accepted HOPE but I’d need to check.

Regardless of the positive benefits, I find state supported lotteries distasteful.

(12-17-2019 12:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I thought Auburn’s position was predicted on the state of Alabama’s efforts to implement a lottery of their with a similar structure to HOPE. I thought Jacksonville State in Gadsden accepted HOPE but I’d need to check.

Regardless of the positive benefits, I find state supported lotteries distasteful.

There's a lot of facets to a discussion like this.

When it comes to lottery funds being used for college scholarships then the benefits end up diminishing over a fairly short period of time. The primary reason for that is the same one that has caused the student loan problems...when a state agency starts guaranteeing funds for higher education then guess what happens? Those lovely enterprising college administrators see a way to increase their revenue stream so they consistently raise tuition with the full understanding that the state agency is obligated to pay.

That not only reduces the amount of money available for such programs, but it also inflates the cost of education for everyone else. Whether a student is getting loans, paying out of pocket, or tapping some sort of state-sponsored savings program then their costs go up simply because someone somewhere guaranteed the revenue stream.

It's an artificial inflation of the cost of education and it coincides with the devaluing of the college degree itself due to oversupply.

Speaking of the HOPE Scholarship, the state of Georgia has had to raise the qualifications for students receiving the funds and it's for this very reason. The intake of a state lottery will stay about the same over time whereas the institutions are charging ever higher rates every year. That means fewer kids get to take advantage of the program.

(12-18-2019 01:55 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 12:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I thought Auburn’s position was predicted on the state of Alabama’s efforts to implement a lottery of their with a similar structure to HOPE. I thought Jacksonville State in Gadsden accepted HOPE but I’d need to check.

Regardless of the positive benefits, I find state supported lotteries distasteful.

There's a lot of facets to a discussion like this.

When it comes to lottery funds being used for college scholarships then the benefits end up diminishing over a fairly short period of time. The primary reason for that is the same one that has caused the student loan problems...when a state agency starts guaranteeing funds for higher education then guess what happens? Those lovely enterprising college administrators see a way to increase their revenue stream so they consistently raise tuition with the full understanding that the state agency is obligated to pay.

That not only reduces the amount of money available for such programs, but it also inflates the cost of education for everyone else. Whether a student is getting loans, paying out of pocket, or tapping some sort of state-sponsored savings program then their costs go up simply because someone somewhere guaranteed the revenue stream.

It's an artificial inflation of the cost of education and it coincides with the devaluing of the college degree itself due to oversupply.

Speaking of the HOPE Scholarship, the state of Georgia has had to raise the qualifications for students receiving the funds and it's for this very reason. The intake of a state lottery will stay about the same over time whereas the institutions are charging ever higher rates every year. That means fewer kids get to take advantage of the program.

Your points are valid but I’d add that high schools were also inflating grades in order to get students qualified for HOPE. With the increase in remedial classes it’s obvious a lot of kids GPA’s were a lie.

But the fact that those least able to afford it, budget their income to play a government sponsored lottery is irresponsible IMO.