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RE: MWC TV deal with Fox Sports and CBS
(01-21-2020 09:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(01-21-2020 04:32 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 02:48 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Correct. Boise State is THE G5 brand. They’re easily the most recognized non power brand out there and they have proven themselves as a winning top 25 program in the last two decades (I don’t think they ever had a losing season since moving up in 1996). The AAC inviting Boise is a home run addition and the same would apply to BYU. ESPN loves Boise State, I wouldn’t be shocked if they give the AAC a bump in their tv deal just to have the Broncos in their family of networks. It would weaken the MWC because honestly, what’s their options if they expand? UTEP? Rice? NMSU? UTSA?

That would be true largely in 2012 when the G5 deal was being negotiated but today with UCF having made 3 NYD bowls & the prominence of the AAC in the NYD race overall they are hardly relevant to keeping the G5 in the access bowl discussions.

What would be more true is in reverse. Boise State becomes another notable independent and forces a rule change such as a playoff spot for the highest rated independent team if they finish ahead of a P5 champ or the highest rated G5 champion.

In most years the G5 champion is only around #15 so that is a reasonable bar for the independents.

You do understand the conferences control the CFP?

You do understand that Independent teams have formed federations/alliances in the past and have been represented as a collective? There are enough of them—and some with money and power—to be included next go around.

I think SteveR is correct, there's little reason to think independents will have any significant power to influence the structure of the next playoff system. Notre Dame has some power, but "independents" as a class do not.

By themselves not much but combined with the G5 they could put a mutually beneficial provision for undefeated teams.

For instance have a straight 8 but offer a spot to any undefeated team in the Top 20. Any undefeated G5 champ can get there but it's going to be tough for NMSU, Libery, UMass trying to do it on a 12 game schedule.
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RE: MWC TV deal with Fox Sports and CBS
(01-21-2020 12:14 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 09:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 09:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 04:32 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  That would be true largely in 2012 when the G5 deal was being negotiated but today with UCF having made 3 NYD bowls & the prominence of the AAC in the NYD race overall they are hardly relevant to keeping the G5 in the access bowl discussions.

What would be more true is in reverse. Boise State becomes another notable independent and forces a rule change such as a playoff spot for the highest rated independent team if they finish ahead of a P5 champ or the highest rated G5 champion.

In most years the G5 champion is only around #15 so that is a reasonable bar for the independents.

You do understand the conferences control the CFP?

You do understand that Independent teams have formed federations/alliances in the past and have been represented as a collective? There are enough of them—and some with money and power—to be included next go around.

I think SteveR is correct, there's little reason to think independents will have any significant power to influence the structure of the next playoff system. Notre Dame has some power, but "independents" as a class do not.

By themselves not much but combined with the G5 they could put a mutually beneficial provision for undefeated teams.

For instance have a straight 8 but offer a spot to any undefeated team in the Top 20. Any undefeated G5 champ can get there but it's going to be tough for NMSU, Libery, UMass trying to do it on a 12 game schedule.

The conferences aren't going to make it easier for a team to go independent at all....
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Post: #323
RE: MWC TV deal with Fox Sports and CBS
(01-21-2020 09:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 04:32 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 02:48 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 01:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Boise won't bring in extra money to the AAC, but they won't cost you anything extra either, and they definitely would help push the "P6" narrative by adding a perennial top-25 program to the fold and a bigger football brand than anyone currently in the conference.

Correct. Boise State is THE G5 brand. They’re easily the most recognized non power brand out there and they have proven themselves as a winning top 25 program in the last two decades (I don’t think they ever had a losing season since moving up in 1996). The AAC inviting Boise is a home run addition and the same would apply to BYU. ESPN loves Boise State, I wouldn’t be shocked if they give the AAC a bump in their tv deal just to have the Broncos in their family of networks. It would weaken the MWC because honestly, what’s their options if they expand? UTEP? Rice? NMSU? UTSA?

That would be true largely in 2012 when the G5 deal was being negotiated but today with UCF having made 3 NYD bowls & the prominence of the AAC in the NYD race overall they are hardly relevant to keeping the G5 in the access bowl discussions.

What would be more true is in reverse. Boise State becomes another notable independent and forces a rule change such as a playoff spot for the highest rated independent team if they finish ahead of a P5 champ or the highest rated G5 champion.

In most years the G5 champion is only around #15 so that is a reasonable bar for the independents.

You do understand the conferences control the CFP?

You do understand that Independent teams have formed federations/alliances in the past and have been represented as a collective? There are enough of them—and some with money and power—to be included next go around.

They are welcomed to do that. They can negotiate a tv deal. They can even negotiate for bowl slots. But the CFP has a board. Each of the 10 FBS conferences gets one vote on that board and one additional vote is given to Notre Dame. Where would the voting block to give the indys a slot come from given that that slot will come from one of the FBS conferences? The G5 certainly will be against it. Every P5 wants to send multiple teams to the playoff---so I cant see the P5 being too keen on the idea. Notre Dame would vote for it---as it means ND would go to the playoff almost every year (which is probably why every P5 and G5 would vote against it). I just dont see how such a proposal to give the indys an automatic CFP slot would get enough support to pass. The G5 makes up almost half the CFP Board votes and Im not even certain they can get a auto-slot in an 8-team playoff. The indys have zero chance.
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Post: #324
RE: MWC TV deal with Fox Sports and CBS
(01-21-2020 12:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 09:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 08:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 04:32 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 02:48 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Correct. Boise State is THE G5 brand. They’re easily the most recognized non power brand out there and they have proven themselves as a winning top 25 program in the last two decades (I don’t think they ever had a losing season since moving up in 1996). The AAC inviting Boise is a home run addition and the same would apply to BYU. ESPN loves Boise State, I wouldn’t be shocked if they give the AAC a bump in their tv deal just to have the Broncos in their family of networks. It would weaken the MWC because honestly, what’s their options if they expand? UTEP? Rice? NMSU? UTSA?

That would be true largely in 2012 when the G5 deal was being negotiated but today with UCF having made 3 NYD bowls & the prominence of the AAC in the NYD race overall they are hardly relevant to keeping the G5 in the access bowl discussions.

What would be more true is in reverse. Boise State becomes another notable independent and forces a rule change such as a playoff spot for the highest rated independent team if they finish ahead of a P5 champ or the highest rated G5 champion.

In most years the G5 champion is only around #15 so that is a reasonable bar for the independents.

You do understand the conferences control the CFP?

You do understand that Independent teams have formed federations/alliances in the past and have been represented as a collective? There are enough of them—and some with money and power—to be included next go around.

They are welcomed to do that. They can negotiate a tv deal. They can even negotiate for bowl slots. But the CFP has a board. Each of the 10 FBS conferences gets one vote on that board and one additional vote is given to Notre Dame. Where would the voting block to give the indys a slot come from given that that slot will come from one of the FBS conferences? The G5 certainly will be against it. Every P5 wants to send multiple teams to the playoff---so I cant see the P5 being too keen on the idea. Notre Dame would vote for it---as it means ND would go to the playoff almost every year (which is probably why every P5 and G5 would vote against it). I just dont see how such a proposal to give the indys an automatic CFP slot would get enough support to pass. The G5 makes up almost half the CFP Board votes and Im not even certain they can get a auto-slot in an 8-team playoff. The indys have zero chance.

Agreed. I think the ultimate position is that an independent can't be treated any differently than an at-large team: no better and no worse. A lower-ranked Notre Dame shouldn't receive an advantage over a higher-ranked non-SEC champ and, in turn, a higher-ranked ND shouldn't have any disadvantage compared to a lower-ranked non-SEC champ team, either. The argument for a G5 slot is that it throws them a bone in exchange for the P5 getting auto-bids for their champs and that G5 slot is reserved for those that attained a tangible accomplishment of winning its conference (which independents inherently can't achieve). To be sure, the P5 won't grant a slot to the G5 out of the kindness of their hearts. It will be a pure negotiation point.
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Boise State isn't happy about Boise State maybe not getting special MWC treatment. I am shocked!
https://mattbrown.substack.com/p/boise-s...bout-boise

Peak Perspective: Boise State’s Television Deal
https://www.mwcconnection.com/2020/1/22/...ision-deal
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(01-22-2020 01:58 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  Peak Perspective: Boise State’s Television Deal
https://www.mwcconnection.com/2020/1/22/...ision-deal

For the question posed in that piece:
Quote: But, how does a deal with no expiration date, expire?
One way is, one party breaches it. If the other party brings suit for breach of contract, then that may result in damages that have to be paid for the breach.

But AFAIU, what you are entitled to under rule of contract law is damages if agreements are not upheld: you do not get to dictate what the other party does, but rather have redress to the courts for imposing additional consequences for what they did.

The wrinkle is, the media deal is a bundling of the schools of their original media rights into a conference package, and how breaching the original deal with Boise State affects the status of the conference media rights is something for an IP lawyer to nut out, with the terms of all relevant contracts in front of him/her. IANDL, so besides guessing that it's a mess, I dunno.

The other way is by agreement.

As far as:
Quote: I think it is more likely that Boise State would look to schools like San Diego State and BYU to serve as travel partners

This is a bit silly, but it does demonstrate why a Big Bang move of 3 schools is so unlikely. The AAC would already have filled its spot if BYU was interested in moving to the AAC. And that's not about "not enough western schools", it's about Utah is in the P5, so BYU is going to be Independent if it can't join a P5 too.

And BYU plus Boise State wouldn't be anywhere near enough to draw out SDSU. Given the AAC media money and status, nothing would be enough to draw out SDSU on the original move to the old Big East terms ... SDSU would need a good fit Olympic Sports conference and a west coast partner ... and even that is unlikely to be enough to make it appealing. But to justify the downsides of expanding to 14, the AAC would need a school with a bigger profile than UNLV, Fresno or San Jose. So the Venn Diagram here between the Big Bang move that would draw out SDSU and the Big Bang move that a large number of AAC schools would vote for are two non-overlapping circles, with one (or both) of the two circles quite possibly not actually existing.

It's come to a negotiated resolution, Boise goes Indie and gives up on the Access Bowl race for the forseeable future, or Boise goes hat in hand to the AAC and ask for admission.
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(01-20-2020 01:17 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 10:49 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Unless the AAC takes them they have no place to go.

Boise to the AAC for football would be a slam-dunk for the AAC, so if it doesn't happen it will be because Boise balks for some reason.

I don't see Boise coming, They won't make any more $$ after the buy out/ buy ins. plus they likely need home for rest of sports. I also don't think they are a slam dunk for AAC. Won't gain us extra $$ per school, and yes they have a name developed, but not much else.

This. If BSU is that much better of an addition than UConn, what does it bring the AAC. If BSU brings others, that is another question.
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(01-26-2020 11:00 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 01:17 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 10:49 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Unless the AAC takes them they have no place to go.

Boise to the AAC for football would be a slam-dunk for the AAC, so if it doesn't happen it will be because Boise balks for some reason.

I don't see Boise coming, They won't make any more $$ after the buy out/ buy ins. plus they likely need home for rest of sports. I also don't think they are a slam dunk for AAC. Won't gain us extra $$ per school, and yes they have a name developed, but not much else.

This. If BSU is that much better of an addition than UConn, what does it bring the AAC. If BSU brings others, that is another question.

If the thing to have conference championships at 11 gets declined, you aren't going to find another team better than Boise for #12. Period.
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RE: MWC TV deal with Fox Sports and CBS
(01-26-2020 11:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-26-2020 11:00 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 01:17 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 10:49 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Unless the AAC takes them they have no place to go.

Boise to the AAC for football would be a slam-dunk for the AAC, so if it doesn't happen it will be because Boise balks for some reason.

I don't see Boise coming, They won't make any more $$ after the buy out/ buy ins. plus they likely need home for rest of sports. I also don't think they are a slam dunk for AAC. Won't gain us extra $$ per school, and yes they have a name developed, but not much else.

This. If BSU is that much better of an addition than UConn, what does it bring the AAC. If BSU brings others, that is another question.

If the thing to have conference championships at 11 gets declined, you aren't going to find another team better than Boise for #12. Period.

Depends how BSU does in the next two years, not only on the field, but in the ratings. Going after BSU and other MWC teams would be better to be done now, with ESPiN involved.
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