59 Kent St. MAC 8-1
63 Akron MAC 8-2
107 Ohio MAC 7-3
113 Bowling Green MAC 8-2
116 Toledo MAC 8-2
147 Eastern Mich. MAC 8-1
155 Buffalo MAC 6-4
179 Ball St. MAC 5-4
180 Central Mich. MAC 7-4
192 Northern Ill. MAC 6-4
225 Miami (OH) MAC 5-5
238 Western Mich. MAC 6-5


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I'm not surprised to see Akron & Kent in the top 2 spots. I'm surprised to see they're 40-50 spots higher than the next ranked MAC team.

(12-16-2019 03:50 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'm not surprised to see Akron & Kent in the top 2 spots. I'm surprised to see they're 40-50 spots higher than the next ranked MAC team.

I figured Toledo would drop...
The Rockets did not look good in recent wins over Oakland and UD Mercy...

(12-16-2019 04:23 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:50 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'm not surprised to see Akron & Kent in the top 2 spots. I'm surprised to see they're 40-50 spots higher than the next ranked MAC team.

I figured Toledo would drop...
The Rockets did not look good in recent wins over Oakland and UD Mercy...

Computers don't care how a team "looks."

(12-16-2019 05:22 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 04:23 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:50 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'm not surprised to see Akron & Kent in the top 2 spots. I'm surprised to see they're 40-50 spots higher than the next ranked MAC team.

I figured Toledo would drop...
The Rockets did not look good in recent wins over Oakland and UD Mercy...

Computers don't care how a team "looks."

A very astute observation ...

(12-16-2019 05:44 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 05:22 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 04:23 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:50 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  I'm not surprised to see Akron & Kent in the top 2 spots. I'm surprised to see they're 40-50 spots higher than the next ranked MAC team.

I figured Toledo would drop...
The Rockets did not look good in recent wins over Oakland and UD Mercy...

Computers don't care how a team "looks."

A very astute observation ...

Cool

Oakland played good perimeter D. Defended BG quite nicely too. The horizon league isn't super far beneath us. The UD game was a tale of two teams who shot high percentage from deep. We finished em off strong. Nothing to be mad about as a Toledo fan besides the Notre Dame and Valpo games.

my current MAC national ranks (based on only on this year's results - not preseason projections)

#56 Bowling Green
#83 Ohio
#88 Kent State
#104 Buffalo
#126 Toledo
#140 Akron
#142 Eastern Michigan
#154 Ball State
#195 Northern Illinois
#197 Central Michigan
#239 Western Michigan
#252 Miami-OH

And how I would rank the conferences so far, MAC as number 11 is pretty darn good considering this was supposed to be a major step back year for the MAC

1 Big 12
2 Big 10
3 ACC
4 Big East
5 PAC12
6 SEC
7 AAC
8 A10
9 WCC
10 MWC
11 MAC
12 MVC
13 Ivy
14 Big Sky
15 CUSA
16 Southern
17 Sun Belt
18 Colonial
19 Big West
20 Patriot
21 Summit
22 OVC
23 America East
24 MAAC
25 Horizon
26 Atlantic Sun
27 Northeast
28 SWAC
29 Big South
30 WAC
31 Southland
32 MEAC

The NET rankings still seem to be extremely sensitive at this stage in the season. Kent lost last night to #116 UC Irvine and it caused them to fall 32 spots.

A bunch of publications do top 25 midmajor polls.
Toledo, BG, Kent, UB and Akron are represented in some, not others.

(12-16-2019 10:24 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Oakland played good perimeter D. Defended BG quite nicely too. The horizon league isn't super far beneath us. The UD game was a tale of two teams who shot high percentage from deep. We finished em off strong. Nothing to be mad about as a Toledo fan besides the Notre Dame and Valpo games.

The Horizon has fallen off the table this year, normally the MAC is 12 to 16, and the Horizon is probably right around there or maybe a notch lower like 13 to 17, most ranking systems have the Horizon in the low to mid 20s rankings right now.

(12-17-2019 04:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 10:24 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Oakland played good perimeter D. Defended BG quite nicely too. The horizon league isn't super far beneath us. The UD game was a tale of two teams who shot high percentage from deep. We finished em off strong. Nothing to be mad about as a Toledo fan besides the Notre Dame and Valpo games.

The Horizon has fallen off the table this year, normally the MAC is 12 to 16, and the Horizon is probably right around there or maybe a notch lower like 13 to 17, most ranking systems have the Horizon in the low to mid 20s rankings right now.

Wright State can still beat any MAC team on any given night. Oakland just lost by 4 combined points to the MAC top dogs. Valpo leaving hurt their league as a whole. NKU was a nice addition. The main difference is comparing our 7th best team to theirs, and our last place team to theirs, but overall I think the leagues are comparable. Comparable arenas. Comparable relative success.

Top to bottom the Horizon is much worse than the MAC. The average MAC Kenpom rating is 151.3. The average Horizon team comes in at 224.6. That's a 73.3 spot difference. Sure Wright State and Northern Kentucky could compete in the MAC. Those programs aren't the problem. The 7 programs who are currently 200+ (2 of which are 300+) in Kenpom rating is what drags down that entire conference. That's 70% of the conference. For comparison the MAC only has 2 teams with a Kenpom 200+ rating and we have 2 extra teams.

Well this might help Ball State's NET ranking, 27 point lead with a few mins left vs Georgia Tech. Good luck predicting Ball State games this year, yikes!

(12-17-2019 04:46 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 10:24 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Oakland played good perimeter D. Defended BG quite nicely too. The horizon league isn't super far beneath us. The UD game was a tale of two teams who shot high percentage from deep. We finished em off strong. Nothing to be mad about as a Toledo fan besides the Notre Dame and Valpo games.

The Horizon has fallen off the table this year, normally the MAC is 12 to 16, and the Horizon is probably right around there or maybe a notch lower like 13 to 17, most ranking systems have the Horizon in the low to mid 20s rankings right now.

The Horizon is 100% finished.

20 years ago, they got 3 bids.
15 years ago, UWM went to the Sweet 16 and was hosting CCG sellouts of 10k+.
10 years ago, Butler was going to back-to-back National Title games.

They've fallen off a cliff. Haven't won an NCAA Tournament game since...Butler.

Below are the current rankings

58 - Akron
96 - Kent
113 - BGSU
136 - Ball St
139 - Ohio
141 - Toledo
147 - EMU
165 - Buffalo
188 - NIU
216 - CMU
233 - Miami
238 - WMU

(12-19-2019 06:25 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Below are the current rankings

58 - Akron
96 - Kent
113 - BGSU
136 - Ball St
139 - Ohio
141 - Toledo
147 - EMU
165 - Buffalo
188 - NIU
216 - CMU
233 - Miami
238 - WMU

Wow teams are jumping 50 spots per win

Overall these net rankings dont look bad to me I feel Bulls are a little undervalued and Akron overvalued. In Akrons case, just need more data against quality teams

(12-19-2019 06:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Overall these net rankings dont look bad to me I feel Bulls are a little undervalued and Akron overvalued. In Akrons case, just need more data against quality teams

I'm likely biased, but I feel Akron has thus far been the most consistent team. They have beaten the teams they're supposed to beat by large margins and they have been competitive with the 2 tourney caliber teams they faced. This weekend they should be playing 2 decent opponents. If they beat Tulane and Liberty (and that's a big IF on Liberty) I feel they're deserving of being labeled early season favorites. If not, I'd probably go with BGSU assuming Turner returns healthy soon.