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RE: Revised TV deal coming
(01-14-2020 10:09 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(01-12-2020 10:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Anyway, if the question was posed as Navy FANS, see my earlier response - I would love having one more game to schedule, [size=large]but have no interest in lifting our #2 rival when we have exposure and money advantages over them.

A formal USNA / NAAA position? Same reasoning applies, why give up an advantage to our rival. Years ago, when asked about a 9 game conference schedule, Niumat said his preference as football coach would be to keep ND and drop AF.

My guess is that the Superintendent in meetings of Presidents and Chet in meetings of ADs are not/not advocating for Air Force but would abstain or accede to unanimity rather than fight or veto AF.

What if it meant the difference between both of you being actual Power 6 teams, or NEITHER of you being Power 6 teams? IOW, what if inviting them (and Boise and BYU) meant that the American could get the Cotton Bowl to give us the auto-bid to their bowl, but a failure to get them to jump meant that the MWC was still strong enough to have a claim, relegating us both to G5 status?

That's a really good point.

If Navy could encourage AF to make the switch, it could definitely help both programs to move, with the AAC, toward eventual P6/A6 status.

Since AFA wouldn't have any shot at P6/A6 status by remaining in the MWC, it would be in their interest to pursue P6/A6 status in the AAC.

Further, if AFA were to join the AAC, Army might become more amenable to joining, since the Black Knights would only have to play 6 conference games each season (plus vs Navy + AF, which they already play).

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Programs with strong potential viewership in televised prime-time games (highlighted):

AAC East:

Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Temple, Memphis
/Tulane, ECU (+Army)

AAC West:

SMU, Navy, Air Force, Houston,
Tulane/Memphis, Tulsa

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This might well pass muster for a P6/A6 FB conference, from ESPN's perspective:

Tier 1 FB Programs: Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Navy, SMU, Houston

Tier 2 FB Programs: Air Force, USF, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, ECU (+Army)

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Another factor supporting a move to the AAC is that the NCAA might find it very different to turn down a joint AAC/ESPN proposal for elevation to full P6/A6 status, with both Navy and Air Force on board, especially if the package were to include Army, as well. The service academies might have that kind of pull.

I think the general public considers AF & Army G5 & Navy just a step above like most of us.

Your comment indicates you think in terms of on-the-field performance as "power", when we KNOW.... WITHOUT A DOUBT... the definition of "Power" that counts is viewership/fan-base. Arkansas is AWFUL... Yet a whole state watches them, buys season tickets, buys stupid hog hats and T-shirts, etc. That's what makes Arkansas a "power conference" member. Well.... aside from "getting in" before the "split".
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RE: Revised TV deal coming
(01-14-2020 12:34 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
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(01-12-2020 08:52 AM)tigerjeb Wrote:  Navy's radio PBP guy was asked point blank on Memphis radio before the Liberty Bowl about Navy's position on Air Force moving to the AAC & he said he could see no way that Navy would support that addition

that would be like asking Dave Woloshin about expansion...

I believe Jeb is referring to MY call into Greg and Eli's show. I specifically asked if the Navy FANS were receptive to adding AF. IOW, HE has a drive-time radio show in DC (or possibly Annapolis?) area, and I was asking him if he had a sense of the FANS' opinion of this issue. He immediately answered as if he was reciting a rote response from the Navy admin. office. I took it to mean HE has a jaundice view of the AF add, so I took it with a grain of salt...

Pete Medhurst, first and foremost, is a GREAT DUDE.
Secondly, he is a grinder and all over sports in the DC area. Navy PxP is his main gig, and not just football. I couldn't get to Saturday's hoops, caught the stream on Patriot League Network on Stadium, and was comforted by Pete's dulcet tones. (Sidebar, Patriot League can provide all sports streaming, but mwc or CUSA fans think ESPN+will cost AAC teams $2M?!?)
Another gig he does is on 106.7 the Fan in DC. He also started backup PxP for the Nats this season.

Anyway, if the question was posed as Navy FANS, see my earlier response - I would love having one more game to schedule, but have no interest in lifting our #2 rival when we have exposure and money advantages over them.

A formal USNA / NAAA position? Same reasoning applies, why give up an advantage to our rival. Years ago, when asked about a 9 game conference schedule, Niumat said his preference as football coach would be to keep ND and drop AF.
My guess is that the Superintendent in meetings of Presidents and Chet in meetings of ADs are not/not advocating for Air Force but would abstain or accede to unanimity rather than fight or veto AF.

What if it meant the difference between both of you being actual Power 6 teams, or NEITHER of you being Power 6 teams? IOW, what if inviting them (and Boise and BYU) meant that the American could get the Cotton Bowl to give us the auto-bid to their bowl, but a failure to get them to jump meant that the MWC was still strong enough to have a claim, relegating us both to G5 status?

In your VERY SPECIFIC hypothetical? Yes.

Navy joined the Big East in January 2012 with the strategic goal of being on the inside looking out after the next big CFP re-structure. The Big East / AAC getting dropped in status was a setback, but the scenario you describe would be back on track to the institutional strategic goal - "P6" in the truest sense of being a contract-bowl-conference in the CFP structure.
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RE: Revised TV deal coming
(01-14-2020 09:49 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
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Another factor supporting a move to the AAC is that the NCAA might find it very different to turn down a joint AAC/ESPN proposal for elevation to full P6/A6 status, with both Navy and Air Force on board, especially if the package were to include Army, as well. The service academies might have that kind of pull.

I think you are living in a fantasy world.

This "political pull" angle gets overplayed here, in my opinion.

If the powers that be at USNA judged that just being star-spangled-studs made us a can't-leave-behind commodity, Navy might not be in this conference now.
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(01-14-2020 11:10 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
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...the NCAA might find it very different to turn down a joint AAC/ESPN proposal for elevation to full P6/A6 status, with both Navy and Air Force on board...


This "political pull" angle gets overplayed here, in my opinion.

If the powers that be at USNA judged that just being star-spangled-studs made us a can't-leave-behind commodity, Navy might not be in this conference now.
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You probably have more information about this than I do.
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RE: Revised TV deal coming
(01-14-2020 11:10 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
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Another factor supporting a move to the AAC is that the NCAA might find it very different to turn down a joint AAC/ESPN proposal for elevation to full P6/A6 status, with both Navy and Air Force on board, especially if the package were to include Army, as well. The service academies might have that kind of pull.

I think you are living in a fantasy world.

This "political pull" angle gets overplayed here, in my opinion.

If the powers that be at USNA judged that just being star-spangled-studs made us a can't-leave-behind commodity, Navy might not be in this conference now.


I think overplayed is correct. I can guarentee you the threat of Congress getting involved if the Academies were left behind or seriously injured will keep a few NCAA people from getting out of hand. What Congress would actually do is a whole different story. Several are vets, many sports fans, and all patriots, so just the PR of fighting for the Academies would get them to look at it. How many are going to the mat for the Academies to stay top level is the question and the answer may be not many.
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RE: Revised TV deal coming
(01-14-2020 11:37 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 11:10 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
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Another factor supporting a move to the AAC is that the NCAA might find it very different to turn down a joint AAC/ESPN proposal for elevation to full P6/A6 status, with both Navy and Air Force on board, especially if the package were to include Army, as well. The service academies might have that kind of pull.

I think you are living in a fantasy world.

This "political pull" angle gets overplayed here, in my opinion.

If the powers that be at USNA judged that just being star-spangled-studs made us a can't-leave-behind commodity, Navy might not be in this conference now.


I think overplayed is correct. I can guarentee you the threat of Congress getting involved if the Academies were left behind or seriously injured will keep a few NCAA people from getting out of hand. What Congress would actually do is a whole different story. Several are vets, many sports fans, and all patriots, so just the PR of fighting for the Academies would get them to look at it. How many are going to the mat for the Academies to stay top level is the question and the answer may be not many.

Going the other direction, making the Academies look like football factories risks pushback from both sides of the aisle.
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RE: Revised TV deal coming
(01-14-2020 11:39 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
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(01-14-2020 06:54 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  Another factor supporting a move to the AAC is that the NCAA might find it very different to turn down a joint AAC/ESPN proposal for elevation to full P6/A6 status, with both Navy and Air Force on board, especially if the package were to include Army, as well. The service academies might have that kind of pull.

I think you are living in a fantasy world.

This "political pull" angle gets overplayed here, in my opinion.

If the powers that be at USNA judged that just being star-spangled-studs made us a can't-leave-behind commodity, Navy might not be in this conference now.


I think overplayed is correct. I can guarentee you the threat of Congress getting involved if the Academies were left behind or seriously injured will keep a few NCAA people from getting out of hand. What Congress would actually do is a whole different story. Several are vets, many sports fans, and all patriots, so just the PR of fighting for the Academies would get them to look at it. How many are going to the mat for the Academies to stay top level is the question and the answer may be not many.

Going the other direction, making the Academies look like football factories risks pushback from both sides of the aisle.

Like it or not, at this point federal involvement in one form or another is inevitable. Differing rules from state to state on player eligibility while accepting third party compensation basically guarantee that the feds will have to create a consistent nationwide standard.
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(01-14-2020 11:39 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
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(01-14-2020 09:49 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 06:54 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  Another factor supporting a move to the AAC is that the NCAA might find it very different to turn down a joint AAC/ESPN proposal for elevation to full P6/A6 status, with both Navy and Air Force on board, especially if the package were to include Army, as well. The service academies might have that kind of pull.

I think you are living in a fantasy world.

This "political pull" angle gets overplayed here, in my opinion.

If the powers that be at USNA judged that just being star-spangled-studs made us a can't-leave-behind commodity, Navy might not be in this conference now.


I think overplayed is correct. I can guarentee you the threat of Congress getting involved if the Academies were left behind or seriously injured will keep a few NCAA people from getting out of hand. What Congress would actually do is a whole different story. Several are vets, many sports fans, and all patriots, so just the PR of fighting for the Academies would get them to look at it. How many are going to the mat for the Academies to stay top level is the question and the answer may be not many.

Going the other direction, making the Academies look like football factories risks pushback from both sides of the aisle.


I agree, but it's not like you are producing a ton of pro athletes.

I really feel like it's more of people trying to avoid attracting attention, the feds are a T-rex and the NCAA is just frozen or barely moving.

Lots of calculations, but my guess is they make the least impactful decision possible concerning the Academies so nobody even looks. Not sure there is any other inherent benefit (national following excluded) in the Academies other than that.
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I might have missed all of this in the 14+ pages of posts, but was anything finalized?

With the drama going on with Boise, is there an opening to negotiate with a new addition replacing UConn?

What would the potential impact of Boise instead of UConn be?
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(01-21-2020 11:24 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I might have missed all of this in the 14+ pages of posts, but was anything finalized?

Cut AAC payout by 3 mil for BB, let us keep All FOOTBALL money plus get a 2.4 mil power 02-13-banana bonus to be split by 11 fb schools. 03-drunk
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With the MWC deal, ESpin will not discount AAC much even with 11 FB members.
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(01-21-2020 11:24 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I might have missed all of this in the 14+ pages of posts, but was anything finalized?

With the drama going on with Boise, is there an opening to negotiate with a new addition replacing UConn?

What would the potential impact of Boise instead of UConn be?

The AAC would gain a large proportion of the vast lumberjack viewership.
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RE: Revised TV deal coming
(01-22-2020 05:41 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 11:24 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  I might have missed all of this in the 14+ pages of posts, but was anything finalized?

With the drama going on with Boise, is there an opening to negotiate with a new addition replacing UConn?

What would the potential impact of Boise instead of UConn be?

The AAC would gain a large proportion of the vast lumberjack viewership.

Also likely could get a real good discount on future potato purchases.
Schools have a lot of athletes to feed.
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