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RE: Southern Pigskin: The Rising Sun Belt
Good to see that the Conference is no longer viewed as “the worst” among the G-5.
Under the present System, with P-5 Conferences driving the bus and taking the Lion’s share of everything, I’m not sure it really matters.
At the end of the day, it’s simply a discussion of who the Biggest Midget is.
And I guess that’s alright too.

I mean, somebody’s got to be Tyrion Lannister . ..
12-15-2019 02:48 PM
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RE: Southern Pigskin: The Rising Sun Belt
(12-15-2019 11:30 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(12-15-2019 11:24 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  
(12-15-2019 11:12 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(12-15-2019 10:34 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  People continue to confuse locations and market share.

The fact they said football only was very telling. It'll be someone that lifts the profile of the conference, not just because they're surrounded by a lot of people.

BYU, Air Force, Boise or maybe Army. Not sure any other team moves the needle much.

I'd strike Air Force.

Army is a maybe. Boise and BYU are your most likely...and BYU is not currently part of a conference.

There's the whole thing about BYU thinking they're a P5 though.

They did win a Div. 1A national championship in '84, after all and dropped out of the MWC because at the time they felt it better to go independent than to remain in a conference going nowhere.
12-15-2019 02:53 PM
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RE: Southern Pigskin: The Rising Sun Belt
(12-14-2019 02:11 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  I really thought Coastal would do better this year than last the way they started out. It's a mystery what's going on there. 10 players in one day in the portal isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of a healthy program either. It remains to be seen what happens with them.

The 10 players to the transfer portal thing is overblown. They were mostly walk-ons or people with little playing time. Last year was worse as we lost a number of starters and a couple of key contributors when Moglia announced he was stepping away. This year we were (once again) one of the younger teams in the country. We also had a fair share of injuries, something like the 5th most number of starters throughout the season.

But we have to be able to break out of the cycle at some point. We have a good number of key guys returning this year. We also seem to be hitting the JuCos pretty hard to help beef up our depth. So hopefully 2020 is the year of 6+ wins and a bowl.
12-15-2019 06:22 PM
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RE: Southern Pigskin: The Rising Sun Belt
(12-15-2019 06:22 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(12-14-2019 02:11 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  I really thought Coastal would do better this year than last the way they started out. It's a mystery what's going on there. 10 players in one day in the portal isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of a healthy program either. It remains to be seen what happens with them.

The 10 players to the transfer portal thing is overblown. They were mostly walk-ons or people with little playing time. Last year was worse as we lost a number of starters and a couple of key contributors when Moglia announced he was stepping away. This year we were (once again) one of the younger teams in the country. We also had a fair share of injuries, something like the 5th most number of starters throughout the season.

But we have to be able to break out of the cycle at some point. We have a good number of key guys returning this year. We also seem to be hitting the JuCos pretty hard to help beef up our depth. So hopefully 2020 is the year of 6+ wins and a bowl.

Once you hit the JuCo cycle, it's difficult to stop. Either retain your depth, even if its less than quality, and develop those guys, or recruit a larger class of freshman based on what you've learned that you need at this level.
12-16-2019 10:09 AM
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RE: Southern Pigskin: The Rising Sun Belt
(12-16-2019 10:09 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-15-2019 06:22 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(12-14-2019 02:11 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  I really thought Coastal would do better this year than last the way they started out. It's a mystery what's going on there. 10 players in one day in the portal isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of a healthy program either. It remains to be seen what happens with them.

The 10 players to the transfer portal thing is overblown. They were mostly walk-ons or people with little playing time. Last year was worse as we lost a number of starters and a couple of key contributors when Moglia announced he was stepping away. This year we were (once again) one of the younger teams in the country. We also had a fair share of injuries, something like the 5th most number of starters throughout the season.

But we have to be able to break out of the cycle at some point. We have a good number of key guys returning this year. We also seem to be hitting the JuCos pretty hard to help beef up our depth. So hopefully 2020 is the year of 6+ wins and a bowl.

Once you hit the JuCo cycle, it's difficult to stop. Either retain your depth, even if its less than quality, and develop those guys, or recruit a larger class of freshman based on what you've learned that you need at this level.

I tend to agree but also know that we need to make up some of the depth.
12-16-2019 11:29 AM
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(12-16-2019 11:29 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(12-16-2019 10:09 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-15-2019 06:22 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(12-14-2019 02:11 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  I really thought Coastal would do better this year than last the way they started out. It's a mystery what's going on there. 10 players in one day in the portal isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of a healthy program either. It remains to be seen what happens with them.

The 10 players to the transfer portal thing is overblown. They were mostly walk-ons or people with little playing time. Last year was worse as we lost a number of starters and a couple of key contributors when Moglia announced he was stepping away. This year we were (once again) one of the younger teams in the country. We also had a fair share of injuries, something like the 5th most number of starters throughout the season.

But we have to be able to break out of the cycle at some point. We have a good number of key guys returning this year. We also seem to be hitting the JuCos pretty hard to help beef up our depth. So hopefully 2020 is the year of 6+ wins and a bowl.

Once you hit the JuCo cycle, it's difficult to stop. Either retain your depth, even if its less than quality, and develop those guys, or recruit a larger class of freshman based on what you've learned that you need at this level.

I tend to agree but also know that we need to make up some of the depth.

But are you bringing in JuCo's for depth or to play? If they aren't playing, you're better off, long-term, bringing in high school guys.
12-17-2019 01:08 PM
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RE: Southern Pigskin: The Rising Sun Belt
(12-17-2019 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-16-2019 11:29 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(12-16-2019 10:09 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-15-2019 06:22 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(12-14-2019 02:11 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  I really thought Coastal would do better this year than last the way they started out. It's a mystery what's going on there. 10 players in one day in the portal isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of a healthy program either. It remains to be seen what happens with them.

The 10 players to the transfer portal thing is overblown. They were mostly walk-ons or people with little playing time. Last year was worse as we lost a number of starters and a couple of key contributors when Moglia announced he was stepping away. This year we were (once again) one of the younger teams in the country. We also had a fair share of injuries, something like the 5th most number of starters throughout the season.

But we have to be able to break out of the cycle at some point. We have a good number of key guys returning this year. We also seem to be hitting the JuCos pretty hard to help beef up our depth. So hopefully 2020 is the year of 6+ wins and a bowl.

Once you hit the JuCo cycle, it's difficult to stop. Either retain your depth, even if its less than quality, and develop those guys, or recruit a larger class of freshman based on what you've learned that you need at this level.

I tend to agree but also know that we need to make up some of the depth.

But are you bringing in JuCo's for depth or to play? If they aren't playing, you're better off, long-term, bringing in high school guys.

Ideally I would think the typical thought of JUCO's is to fill specific positions for which you couldn't sign what you need (temporary) and not to fill large parts of your lineup.
(This post was last modified: 12-17-2019 01:24 PM by CajunAmos.)
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(12-17-2019 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  But are you bringing in JuCo's for depth or to play? If they aren't playing, you're better off, long-term, bringing in high school guys.

Why not both?
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RE: Southern Pigskin: The Rising Sun Belt
(12-17-2019 01:23 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  
(12-17-2019 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-16-2019 11:29 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(12-16-2019 10:09 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(12-15-2019 06:22 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  The 10 players to the transfer portal thing is overblown. They were mostly walk-ons or people with little playing time. Last year was worse as we lost a number of starters and a couple of key contributors when Moglia announced he was stepping away. This year we were (once again) one of the younger teams in the country. We also had a fair share of injuries, something like the 5th most number of starters throughout the season.

But we have to be able to break out of the cycle at some point. We have a good number of key guys returning this year. We also seem to be hitting the JuCos pretty hard to help beef up our depth. So hopefully 2020 is the year of 6+ wins and a bowl.

Once you hit the JuCo cycle, it's difficult to stop. Either retain your depth, even if its less than quality, and develop those guys, or recruit a larger class of freshman based on what you've learned that you need at this level.

I tend to agree but also know that we need to make up some of the depth.

But are you bringing in JuCo's for depth or to play? If they aren't playing, you're better off, long-term, bringing in high school guys.

Ideally I would think the typical thought of JUCO's is to fill specific positions for which you couldn't sign what you need (temporary) and not to fill large parts of your lineup.

When you start to recruit heavily JuCo there is almost no going back, you piss off high school coaches who don’t forget
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(12-17-2019 06:48 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(12-17-2019 01:08 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  But are you bringing in JuCo's for depth or to play? If they aren't playing, you're better off, long-term, bringing in high school guys.

Why not both?

Hard to create a winning culture with juco players. Many lower performing g5s are juco dependent. Not the case with top level teams.
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