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Tennessee fans buy tix to wrong bowl
After Sunday's frenzy that reported the Volunteers to 3 different bowls, some fans got caught with their hand in the wrong cookie jar.
https://theathletic.com/1453337/2019/12/...ed-article
12-12-2019 10:32 AM
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(12-12-2019 10:32 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  After Sunday's frenzy that reported the Volunteers to 3 different bowls, some fans got caught with their hand in the wrong cookie jar.
https://theathletic.com/1453337/2019/12/...ed-article

Moral: Don't buy tickets based on Brett McMurphy or even ESPN tweets. Wait until your school or the bowl games makes its official announcement.
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The Tennessee athletic department ought to reimburse those folks.
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(12-12-2019 10:46 AM)Wedge Wrote:  The Tennessee athletic department ought to reimburse those folks.

Tough call. Legally and officially, they only have a duty to those who bought tickets from Tennessee.

Morally? I'd say that if Tennessee officially announced bowl game X, and then it got switched to bowl game Y, it would be good public relations to offer *something*, not full reimbursement, but something, to those who on that information bought tickets through some other vendor. And only for those who have a standing connection to the university - students, staff, alumni association members, season ticket holders, etc. Not just any random fan off the street.
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Amazing turn around to get bowl eligible after losing to Ga.State and BYU. Did not even think they had a realistic shot to get more than 3-4 wins let alone bowl eligibility.
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(12-12-2019 12:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Amazing turn around to get bowl eligible after losing to Ga.State and BYU. Did not even think they had a realistic shot to get more than 3-4 wins let alone bowl eligibility.

We can make too much of it. Tennessee started 2-5 because they played good teams - Florida, Georgia, Alabama good Lord. Even BYU is the #51 team in the country in the computers, not bad. The Georgia State loss was the only bad one.

The big turnaround happened because the schedule softened up dramatically. Their five straight wins to close the season came against teams ranked ... 76, 84, 40, 58, and 113. The only decent win was over #40 Kentucky.

So while yes, it's always good to win games, it's a lot easier to do so when you go from playing Florida and Georgia to Vandebilt and Missouri.
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(12-12-2019 10:46 AM)Wedge Wrote:  The Tennessee athletic department ought to reimburse those folks.

If they had been buying via UT they wouldn't have the problem.
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(12-13-2019 10:14 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 10:46 AM)Wedge Wrote:  The Tennessee athletic department ought to reimburse those folks.

If they had been buying via UT they wouldn't have the problem.

Yep, you buy from someone else and you're on your own. Of course, buying from elsewhere is typically safe, and IIRC the third party vendors just sold them tickets to the "Music City Bowl", not with a guarantee about who would be in it. I kind of did the same thing - I bought Military Bowl tickets when they went on sale not knowing who would be in it, because I know I want to go no matter who is in it.

They really should have just waited until the BOWL and/or UT formally announced rather than relying on unofficial reports.
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Memphis fans will tell you Tennessee fans are different.
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(12-12-2019 10:46 AM)Wedge Wrote:  The Tennessee athletic department ought to reimburse those folks.

No, stupid is as stupid does, and it should come at a price.
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(12-13-2019 07:22 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Memphis fans will tell you Tennessee fans are different.

That's putting it kindly.
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(12-13-2019 07:22 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Memphis fans will tell you Tennessee fans are different.

I have only encountered Tennessee fans one time - in 1998 when I attended the first BCS national championship game, the Fiesta Bowl between FSU and Tennessee. I was staying in Tempe at the time and met a lot of them. And to a man or woman, the UT fans were the nicest and most courtly fans I have ever met. Impeccable behavior, and that was leading up to the game, not after they won.

Perhaps that's because maybe the 'better element' of the fan base is able to travel such that it might be different at a UT home game, but that was my experience.

And there were a TON of them too, the UT fans outnumbered the FSU fans like 4 to 1 or something.
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(12-14-2019 10:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 07:22 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Memphis fans will tell you Tennessee fans are different.

I have only encountered Tennessee fans one time - in 1998 when I attended the first BCS national championship game, the Fiesta Bowl between FSU and Tennessee. I was staying in Tempe at the time and met a lot of them. And to a man or woman, the UT fans were the nicest and most courtly fans I have ever met. Impeccable behavior, and that was leading up to the game, not after they won.

Perhaps that's because maybe the 'better element' of the fan base is able to travel such that it might be different at a UT home game, but that was my experience.

And there were a TON of them too, the UT fans outnumbered the FSU fans like 4 to 1 or something.

Years ago, my sister was lead majorette for the Memphis band. At a game at Neyland one year, as the Memphis band was walking off the field into the tunnel, several UT fans spit on them.

So yeah, I bet the travel fans have better manners than some in Neyland Stadium.
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(12-12-2019 12:54 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Amazing turn around to get bowl eligible after losing to Ga.State and BYU. Did not even think they had a realistic shot to get more than 3-4 wins let alone bowl eligibility.

Bad losses don't matter. Tennessee is proof as to how tough the SEC is when a team that loses to Ga State and BYU gets to go bowling.
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(12-12-2019 10:53 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 10:46 AM)Wedge Wrote:  The Tennessee athletic department ought to reimburse those folks.

Tough call. Legally and officially, they only have a duty to those who bought tickets from Tennessee.

Morally? I'd say that if Tennessee officially announced bowl game X, and then it got switched to bowl game Y, it would be good public relations to offer *something*, not full reimbursement, but something, to those who on that information bought tickets through some other vendor. And only for those who have a standing connection to the university - students, staff, alumni association members, season ticket holders, etc. Not just any random fan off the street.

Is that what actually happened? Or did people just rely on internet reports by third parties who weren't directly involved in the decisions about who was going where?
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(12-14-2019 10:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 07:22 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Memphis fans will tell you Tennessee fans are different.

I have only encountered Tennessee fans one time - in 1998 when I attended the first BCS national championship game, the Fiesta Bowl between FSU and Tennessee. I was staying in Tempe at the time and met a lot of them. And to a man or woman, the UT fans were the nicest and most courtly fans I have ever met. Impeccable behavior, and that was leading up to the game, not after they won.

Perhaps that's because maybe the 'better element' of the fan base is able to travel such that it might be different at a UT home game, but that was my experience.

And there were a TON of them too, the UT fans outnumbered the FSU fans like 4 to 1 or something.

I've been to a lot of venues. And what I've witnessed at each is essentially the same with minor variations. When schools come to your venue their travel crowds are way nicer than their home crowds. This is due to a couple of factors. Travel crowds are usually made up of those who donate to the athletic department which is how they rate travel tickets. So you are dealing with a more affluent element of that team's fan base, and people who are usually more connected to the school itself and therefore are conscious of their behavior, or they are parents of athletes and most of those I've ever met are just happy to talk to you about their son or daughter who is playing.

At the Auburn home baseball games we sat for nearly 30 years with the visiting players parents over the first base dugout. The only fan base that was consistently difficult to deal with was Vanderbilt. Everyone else was wonderful whether SEC or not. I particularly loved the L.S.U. baseball fans who were very courteous, extremely knowledgeable about the players and the game, and loved talking baseball. South Carolina baseball fans and Mississippi State baseball fans were very much the same. I'd give a ditto to the North Carolina and Virginia parents we've sat with as well.

For football and baseball the issues, if there were going to be any, would happen when we visited their venues and were accosted or taunted or even threatened by drunken T-shirt fans who for the most part were not alumni of that school. In that regard Gainesville was one of the rougher places to go when Charlie Pell who encouraged that behavior was the Head Coach at Florida.

In Baton Rouge it's the combination of playing at night and the volume of alcohol consumed by the lower end of their fan base that makes it intimidating, but not dangerous. I'd say the experiences of Auburn and L.S.U. fans in Morgantown were much worse.

At UGA the biggest hazard is having a half gallon whisky bottle tossed off of the upper deck and being hit by the shards of flying glass when it shatters on the concrete steps below which I experienced there in the 80's.

Auburn home games are no different. The drunken % of non alumni is small like it is everywhere, but it is very noticeable and 99% of the time the only source of trouble.

This is why I was against alcohol sales at the game. Most of them have boozed it up all day getting ready for the kick. If anything good comes from not selling alcohol it is that most of them fall sullen and silent by halftime as their hangover ensues. Continuing their beer consumption for 3 quarters will only make them belligerent for a longer period of time.

As far as feeling threatened by students I never have anywhere and the only place where students were reportedly a consistent part of the problem was Morgantown. And it should be noted that most of the West Virginia crowd were polite. It was just the small % of bad actors that took it over the top and WVU travel crowds were genuinely nice like they are with most schools.

So my decades of going tell me that problems are confined to the drunk, and non alums pretty much everywhere.

L.S.U. folks do imbibe in greater amounts than anyone I've witnessed outside of UGA folks. But their travel crowd for football is still quite amicable. And the nice thing about them is that they are so drunk after the game that they don't contribute to the traffic jam. They stay around the stadium and tailgate areas until the crowd has thinned and they sober up a bit and then they leave.
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(12-14-2019 02:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I particularly loved the L.S.U. baseball fans who were very courteous, extremely knowledgeable about the players and the game, and loved talking baseball.

Put an LSU fan in Tiger stadium at night and he's maybe the worst fan in the country, lewd, crude, obnoxious. But put him in Alex Box Stadium for a baseball game, and there isn't a better fan in the country.

It's like Dr. Jekyll becomes Mr. Hyde.
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(12-14-2019 11:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  into the tunnel
(12-14-2019 10:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 07:22 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Memphis fans will tell you Tennessee fans are different.

I have only encountered Tennessee fans one time - in 1998 when I attended the first BCS national championship game, the Fiesta Bowl between FSU and Tennessee. I was staying in Tempe at the time and met a lot of them. And to a man or woman, the UT fans were the nicest and most courtly fans I have ever met. Impeccable behavior, and that was leading up to the game, not after they won.

Perhaps that's because maybe the 'better element' of the fan base is able to travel such that it might be different at a UT home game, but that was my experience.

And there were a TON of them too, the UT fans outnumbered the FSU fans like 4 to 1 or something.

Years ago, my sister was lead majorette for the Memphis band. At a game at Neyland one year, as the Memphis band was walking off the field into the tunnel, several UT fans spit on them.

So yeah, I bet the travel fans have better manners than some in Neyland Stadium.

Back in 1999 I'm at Liberty Bowl Stadium with my 10 year old. During games I'm the guy who sits and watches, don't do cheers, normally only stand if my view is obstructed. I'm the anti-rowdy fan.

Tigers were 0-2 coming off a two win season, AState was 0-2 coming off a four win season. Needless to say, there was plenty of room in the stadium.

I'm in the corner in the AState section with no one other than my kid within 10 feet in any direction.

Group of Tiger fans up above are loud and rowdy, the AS Who chants were the only things they yelled that a newspaper would print. I finally turn around to look at the guys and point to my son and give them my best WTF? look.

I sit back down and the SOB's pelted us with ice and they crank up the profanity. I ask usher for help he shrugs his shoulders and turns away so he can't see anything. My son and I get up to move down into the bulk of AState fans and suddenly the usher gets interested in enforcing seating. I just said "Really?" when he said I couldn't move. I go down to new spot and the turds move down into my seats and start throwing **** again. This time a cop sees it and gives them an escort out.

Only time I had that sort of experience at Memphis. Every fan base has jerks who are empowered by being in a crowd. My sole experience with Knoxville was pleasant as to the fans (we sucked big time that day) but nothing like Texas A&M where people seemed to be competing to be most friendly.

But 90k people is going to include a significant number of jerks especially when you add the insecurities that in-state competition seems to bring out in P5 fans.

I will never go back to Baton Rouge as an opponent fan, only time I was seriously concerned as a visitor.
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(12-14-2019 05:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-14-2019 02:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I particularly loved the L.S.U. baseball fans who were very courteous, extremely knowledgeable about the players and the game, and loved talking baseball.

Put an LSU fan in Tiger stadium at night and he's maybe the worst fan in the country, lewd, crude, obnoxious. But put him in Alex Box Stadium for a baseball game, and there isn't a better fan in the country.

It's like Dr. Jekyll becomes Mr. Hyde.


Queue the old George Carlin bit about Football vs Baseball...
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