(12-10-2019 04:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 02:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Cue rumors of St Cloud St to the Summit.

People joke, but that probably should be the long-term goal for both them and Duluth. Conference Dakotas makes plenty of sense if you don't have to find somewhere to stash a football team and they actually have a decent conference tournament in basketball.

My initial kidding aside, dropping football and investing in DI as a Summit Conference member would be a good spot for the big Minnesota schools. Ideally NCHC hockey comes in-house as a Summit League sport and their is no more panic regarding keeping enough baseball and soccer teams anymore

(12-10-2019 05:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  St. Cloud State is one of the better D2 football schools. Dropping a sport that makes more money than the other sports is not the smartest moves. I would have dropped the hockey team and keep football and go to D1. At least you make money from bodybag games in football playing FBS schools.

Cincinnati Christian, Jacksonville, St. Cloud State and Minn.-Crookston dropped football this year and 2 North Dakota NJCAA schools dropped as well.

St. Cloud State men's ice hockey was the #1 overall seed the last two NCAA tourneys. They get nearly $3M in revenue annually from the sport which puts them in the top 25% of D1 teams. I'm glad you're not an AD.

(12-10-2019 06:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 04:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 02:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Cue rumors of St Cloud St to the Summit.

People joke, but that probably should be the long-term goal for both them and Duluth. Conference Dakotas makes plenty of sense if you don't have to find somewhere to stash a football team and they actually have a decent conference tournament in basketball.

My initial kidding aside, dropping football and investing in DI as a Summit Conference member would be a good spot for the big Minnesota schools. Ideally NCHA hockey comes in-house as a Summit League sport and their is no more panic regarding keeping enough baseball and soccer teams anymore

Minnesota St. has the name and the TV show. They need to keep football. Especially since the Gophers are the only Div. I alternative.

FTR, St. Cloud State has been experiencing a drop in enrollment the last decade, and judging by the reactions on Twitter, that rate of decline is likely to get worse. Also, the Minnesota State system isn't going to allow any of it's schools to make the move up to D-I even without football ditched.

(12-10-2019 05:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  St. Cloud State is one of the better D2 football schools. Dropping a sport that makes more money than the other sports is not the smartest moves. I would have dropped the hockey team and keep football and go to D1. At least you make money from bodybag games in football playing FBS schools.

Cincinnati Christian, Jacksonville, St. Cloud State and Minn.-Crookston dropped football this year and 2 North Dakota NJCAA schools dropped as well.

Hockey makes significantly more money at St Cloud.

People are saying that some states will not allow another school to move to D1 with football. That was before FBS/FCS divide in 1978. Now, another public school from Minnesota and Nebraska will not hurt the FBS schools since they will be in FCS and will not draw the better players.

(12-12-2019 04:38 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  People are saying that some states will not allow another school to move to D1 with football. That was before FBS/FCS divide in 1978. Now, another public school from Minnesota and Nebraska will not hurt the FBS schools since they will be in FCS and will not draw the better players.

But they draw the depth players and walk-ons, particularly because FCS schools can offer partial scholarships and FBS schools can't. Minnesota needs those kids, too.

(12-12-2019 09:50 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 04:38 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  People are saying that some states will not allow another school to move to D1 with football. That was before FBS/FCS divide in 1978. Now, another public school from Minnesota and Nebraska will not hurt the FBS schools since they will be in FCS and will not draw the better players.

But they draw the depth players and walk-ons, particularly because FCS schools can offer partial scholarships and FBS schools can't. Minnesota needs those kids, too.

Not true. Alabama and other schools could attract students from around the country. If a coach in Minnesota and Nebraska can't do it? Then they are not good coaches. It is not hurting Alabama when Jacksonville State, North Alabama and Troy moving up.

(12-12-2019 10:14 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 09:50 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 04:38 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  People are saying that some states will not allow another school to move to D1 with football. That was before FBS/FCS divide in 1978. Now, another public school from Minnesota and Nebraska will not hurt the FBS schools since they will be in FCS and will not draw the better players.

But they draw the depth players and walk-ons, particularly because FCS schools can offer partial scholarships and FBS schools can't. Minnesota needs those kids, too.

Not true. Alabama and other schools could attract students from around the country. If a coach in Minnesota and Nebraska can't do it? Then they are not good coaches. It is not hurting Alabama when Jacksonville State, North Alabama and Troy moving up.

Oh, right, how could I forget that Minnesota, playing in a state that produced 18 FBS football players in the class of 2016, and without two decades of national success, should be able to go toe-to-toe with Alabama for recruits from Louisiana (95 FBS players from 2016), Alabama (91), or Florida (336).

(12-10-2019 04:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 02:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Cue rumors of St Cloud St to the Summit.

People joke, but that probably should be the long-term goal for both them and Duluth. Conference Dakotas makes plenty of sense if you don't have to find somewhere to stash a football team and they actually have a decent conference tournament in basketball.

They were both in the NCC before it split up so it'd make perfect sense. I doubt the Dakota schools would be too interested in getting the old band back together, but it'd be a great fit.

I'm not entirely sure what having five NCHC schools in that conference would mean for the relationship between the two, though.

(12-10-2019 05:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  St. Cloud State is one of the better D2 football schools. Dropping a sport that makes more money than the other sports is not the smartest moves. I would have dropped the hockey team and keep football and go to D1. At least you make money from bodybag games in football playing FBS schools.

Cincinnati Christian, Jacksonville, St. Cloud State and Minn.-Crookston dropped football this year and 2 North Dakota NJCAA schools dropped as well.

Yes, let's drop the program they're a national power in so they can get pantsed by the two Dakota States on the yearly. This is why you post nonsense on here while someone else is an actual AD.

Federal Judge Tunheim again tells St. Cloud State to comply now with sports gender equity laws

St. Cloud really had no choice here.

Trinity Bible College just dropped football as well.

(12-17-2019 07:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Trinity Bible College just dropped football as well.

That does it done with football

(12-10-2019 05:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  St. Cloud State is one of the better D2 football schools. Dropping a sport that makes more money than the other sports is not the smartest moves. I would have dropped the hockey team and keep football and go to D1. At least you make money from bodybag games in football playing FBS schools.

Cincinnati Christian, Jacksonville, St. Cloud State and Minn.-Crookston dropped football this year and 2 North Dakota NJCAA schools dropped as well.

Cincinnati Christian closed their doors because of financial problems. They sold their campus to a church group in Missouri. I do not know what they plan to do with the campus.

(12-12-2019 06:39 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 04:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 02:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Cue rumors of St Cloud St to the Summit.

People joke, but that probably should be the long-term goal for both them and Duluth. Conference Dakotas makes plenty of sense if you don't have to find somewhere to stash a football team and they actually have a decent conference tournament in basketball.

They were both in the NCC before it split up so it'd make perfect sense. I doubt the Dakota schools would be too interested in getting the old band back together, but it'd be a great fit.

I'm not entirely sure what having five NCHC schools in that conference would mean for the relationship between the two, though.

(12-10-2019 05:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  St. Cloud State is one of the better D2 football schools. Dropping a sport that makes more money than the other sports is not the smartest moves. I would have dropped the hockey team and keep football and go to D1. At least you make money from bodybag games in football playing FBS schools.

Cincinnati Christian, Jacksonville, St. Cloud State and Minn.-Crookston dropped football this year and 2 North Dakota NJCAA schools dropped as well.

Yes, let's drop the program they're a national power in so they can get pantsed by the two Dakota States on the yearly. This is why you post nonsense on here while someone else is an actual AD.

David does not quite understand that in Minnesota, hockey is a huge deal.

(12-13-2019 09:38 AM)nokota Wrote:  Federal Judge Tunheim again tells St. Cloud State to comply now with sports gender equity laws

St. Cloud really had no choice here.

Thanks for the link.

I am increasingly convinced that in the long run Football needs to be separated from other sports in a different department. Otherwise the shift toward female demographics we see in many schools (a little over 57% female is the National average, much higher than the low 40s it was when T9 came into being) will either squeeze out football or destroy all non-football male sports (except Basketball)

(12-17-2019 09:20 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 06:39 PM)Mav Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 04:07 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 02:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Cue rumors of St Cloud St to the Summit.

People joke, but that probably should be the long-term goal for both them and Duluth. Conference Dakotas makes plenty of sense if you don't have to find somewhere to stash a football team and they actually have a decent conference tournament in basketball.

They were both in the NCC before it split up so it'd make perfect sense. I doubt the Dakota schools would be too interested in getting the old band back together, but it'd be a great fit.

I'm not entirely sure what having five NCHC schools in that conference would mean for the relationship between the two, though.

(12-10-2019 05:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  St. Cloud State is one of the better D2 football schools. Dropping a sport that makes more money than the other sports is not the smartest moves. I would have dropped the hockey team and keep football and go to D1. At least you make money from bodybag games in football playing FBS schools.

Cincinnati Christian, Jacksonville, St. Cloud State and Minn.-Crookston dropped football this year and 2 North Dakota NJCAA schools dropped as well.

Yes, let's drop the program they're a national power in so they can get pantsed by the two Dakota States on the yearly. This is why you post nonsense on here while someone else is an actual AD.

David does not quite understand that in Minnesota, hockey is a huge deal.

Sadly this is at least the third time he has suggested MN schools drop hockey.

(12-12-2019 10:14 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 09:50 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 04:38 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  People are saying that some states will not allow another school to move to D1 with football. That was before FBS/FCS divide in 1978. Now, another public school from Minnesota and Nebraska will not hurt the FBS schools since they will be in FCS and will not draw the better players.

But they draw the depth players and walk-ons, particularly because FCS schools can offer partial scholarships and FBS schools can't. Minnesota needs those kids, too.

Not true. Alabama and other schools could attract students from around the country. If a coach in Minnesota and Nebraska can't do it? Then they are not good coaches. It is not hurting Alabama when Jacksonville State, North Alabama and Troy moving up.

Troy, Jax State, and UNA aren't under the thumb of the UA system. Paul Bryant Jr tried to undermine UAB football for decades, and Alabama-Huntsville is D2.

(12-18-2019 01:13 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  Troy, Jax State, and UNA aren't under the thumb of the UA system. Paul Bryant Jr tried to undermine UAB football for decades, and Alabama-Huntsville is D2.

See, what you are doing here is citing facts that do not support whatever arbitrary position David State initially declared, so those are by definition not "good facts".

OTOH, you make an excellent point ... the governance details matter a lot here, and limits that the largest university in a system can impose on other universities in the same system are often more binding than the limits that can be imposed simply by pulling whatever available strings exist in state government.

As we saw when the Big12 was initially formed, in the right circumstances two or three influential state politicians that come from one school other than the flagship can have a lot of influence on that other school's future prospects. There are scenarios where Baylor doesn't join the Big12 at the outset and indeed never ends up joining because it was another "former SWC" school that ended up in a "lesser conference" that gets hot at the right time.

Minnesota State system is not under University of Minnesota. So, Mankato State might be the leader of that system.Minn.-Duluth falls under UM in the state.