(12-12-2019 05:59 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Alex Wood was the worst coach in the history of NCAA football.

True, but he must be one hell of a salesman. He still keeps getting jobs, even though they are becoming more minor along the way. He is now the quarterbacks coach at Delaware, a school that should know a thing or two about hiring loser coaches.

1) We are a dynasty, Winning two National Championships at the FCS level with our playoff structure is very difficult. Some of our new fans are certainly spoiled.
2) After this season we should definitely started considered FBS options. Hopefully a invite is coming soon. NDSU is in a different situation than JMU based on region and marketing. JMU is in the heart of recruiting hotbeds ( VA, PA, Ohio, NC, NJ, GA.....etc)
3) Coaches in college wield more power because of the structure of college sports. Also with the talent disparities, coaching matters in exploiting other college teams scheme weaknesses. Compared to pros where one on one matchups are key. Plus 18-21 year old athletes sometimes have no clue how to use their talents to help their team win games.

(12-13-2019 08:36 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  1) We are a dynasty, Winning two National Championships at the FCS level with our playoff structure is very difficult. Some of our new fans are certainly spoiled.
2) After this season we should definitely started considered FBS options. Hopefully a invite is coming soon. NDSU is in a different situation than JMU based on region and marketing. JMU is in the heart of recruiting hotbeds ( VA, PA, Ohio, NC, NJ, GA.....etc)
3) Coaches in college wield more power because of the structure of college sports. Also with the talent disparities, coaching matters in exploiting other college teams scheme weaknesses. Compared to pros where one on one matchups are key. Plus 18-21 year old athletes sometimes have no clue how to use their talents to help their team win games.

Im sorry but 2 NCs and 3 finals appearances in 15 years in not a dynasty at all. We've been successful for sure but nowhere near the runs of NDSU, Alabama, Patriots, Yankees

(12-13-2019 08:51 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:36 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  1) We are a dynasty, Winning two National Championships at the FCS level with our playoff structure is very difficult. Some of our new fans are certainly spoiled.
2) After this season we should definitely started considered FBS options. Hopefully a invite is coming soon. NDSU is in a different situation than JMU based on region and marketing. JMU is in the heart of recruiting hotbeds ( VA, PA, Ohio, NC, NJ, GA.....etc)
3) Coaches in college wield more power because of the structure of college sports. Also with the talent disparities, coaching matters in exploiting other college teams scheme weaknesses. Compared to pros where one on one matchups are key. Plus 18-21 year old athletes sometimes have no clue how to use their talents to help their team win games.

Im sorry but 2 NCs and 3 finals appearances in 15 years in not a dynasty at all. We've been successful for sure but nowhere near the runs of NDSU, Alabama, Patriots, Yankees

How many CAA titles , Coaches of the year , players of the years , NFL players , Gameday, ESPN appearances , etc etc. More goes into being a dynasty than just championships (We have 2/3). JMU is arguably the most successful football program in VA in the last 15 years. FBS doesn't compare because their playoff structure is not as rigorous as ours. Reasons why teams on top stay on top in FBS. We have been more than just successful lol.

(12-13-2019 12:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:51 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:36 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  1) We are a dynasty, Winning two National Championships at the FCS level with our playoff structure is very difficult. Some of our new fans are certainly spoiled.
2) After this season we should definitely started considered FBS options. Hopefully a invite is coming soon. NDSU is in a different situation than JMU based on region and marketing. JMU is in the heart of recruiting hotbeds ( VA, PA, Ohio, NC, NJ, GA.....etc)
3) Coaches in college wield more power because of the structure of college sports. Also with the talent disparities, coaching matters in exploiting other college teams scheme weaknesses. Compared to pros where one on one matchups are key. Plus 18-21 year old athletes sometimes have no clue how to use their talents to help their team win games.

Im sorry but 2 NCs and 3 finals appearances in 15 years in not a dynasty at all. We've been successful for sure but nowhere near the runs of NDSU, Alabama, Patriots, Yankees

How many CAA titles , Coaches of the year , players of the years , NFL players , Gameday, ESPN appearances , etc etc. More goes into being a dynasty than just championships (We have 2/3). JMU is arguably the most successful football program in VA in the last 15 years. FBS doesn't compare because their playoff structure is not as rigorous as ours. Reasons why teams on top stay on top in FBS. We have been more than just successful lol.

Agree with everything you pointed out but I'm sorry, dynasties mean championships and 2 in 15 years is not a dynasty. We are a perennial powerhouse as of late. If we had won in 17 and if we go on to win this year then i would say that we would be a dynasty for the last 4 years.

(12-13-2019 01:53 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:51 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:36 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  1) We are a dynasty, Winning two National Championships at the FCS level with our playoff structure is very difficult. Some of our new fans are certainly spoiled.
2) After this season we should definitely started considered FBS options. Hopefully a invite is coming soon. NDSU is in a different situation than JMU based on region and marketing. JMU is in the heart of recruiting hotbeds ( VA, PA, Ohio, NC, NJ, GA.....etc)
3) Coaches in college wield more power because of the structure of college sports. Also with the talent disparities, coaching matters in exploiting other college teams scheme weaknesses. Compared to pros where one on one matchups are key. Plus 18-21 year old athletes sometimes have no clue how to use their talents to help their team win games.

Im sorry but 2 NCs and 3 finals appearances in 15 years in not a dynasty at all. We've been successful for sure but nowhere near the runs of NDSU, Alabama, Patriots, Yankees

How many CAA titles , Coaches of the year , players of the years , NFL players , Gameday, ESPN appearances , etc etc. More goes into being a dynasty than just championships (We have 2/3). JMU is arguably the most successful football program in VA in the last 15 years. FBS doesn't compare because their playoff structure is not as rigorous as ours. Reasons why teams on top stay on top in FBS. We have been more than just successful lol.

Agree with everything you pointed out but I'm sorry, dynasties mean championships and 2 in 15 years is not a dynasty. We are a perennial powerhouse as of late. If we had won in 17 and if we go on to win this year then i would say that we would be a dynasty for the last 4 years.

No doubt. We gotta get on top of NDSU. I am optimistic.

(12-13-2019 03:52 PM)arlingtonduke Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 01:53 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:51 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:36 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  1) We are a dynasty, Winning two National Championships at the FCS level with our playoff structure is very difficult. Some of our new fans are certainly spoiled.
2) After this season we should definitely started considered FBS options. Hopefully a invite is coming soon. NDSU is in a different situation than JMU based on region and marketing. JMU is in the heart of recruiting hotbeds ( VA, PA, Ohio, NC, NJ, GA.....etc)
3) Coaches in college wield more power because of the structure of college sports. Also with the talent disparities, coaching matters in exploiting other college teams scheme weaknesses. Compared to pros where one on one matchups are key. Plus 18-21 year old athletes sometimes have no clue how to use their talents to help their team win games.

Im sorry but 2 NCs and 3 finals appearances in 15 years in not a dynasty at all. We've been successful for sure but nowhere near the runs of NDSU, Alabama, Patriots, Yankees

How many CAA titles , Coaches of the year , players of the years , NFL players , Gameday, ESPN appearances , etc etc. More goes into being a dynasty than just championships (We have 2/3). JMU is arguably the most successful football program in VA in the last 15 years. FBS doesn't compare because their playoff structure is not as rigorous as ours. Reasons why teams on top stay on top in FBS. We have been more than just successful lol.

Agree with everything you pointed out but I'm sorry, dynasties mean championships and 2 in 15 years is not a dynasty. We are a perennial powerhouse as of late. If we had won in 17 and if we go on to win this year then i would say that we would be a dynasty for the last 4 years.

No doubt. We gotta get on top of NDSU. I am optimistic.

And what would that do for us ? They have 5 NC's and a HC that would pick our program over theirs any day. I'm extremely happy where our program is at and the future of it.

(12-13-2019 05:13 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 03:52 PM)arlingtonduke Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 01:53 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:51 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Im sorry but 2 NCs and 3 finals appearances in 15 years in not a dynasty at all. We've been successful for sure but nowhere near the runs of NDSU, Alabama, Patriots, Yankees

How many CAA titles , Coaches of the year , players of the years , NFL players , Gameday, ESPN appearances , etc etc. More goes into being a dynasty than just championships (We have 2/3). JMU is arguably the most successful football program in VA in the last 15 years. FBS doesn't compare because their playoff structure is not as rigorous as ours. Reasons why teams on top stay on top in FBS. We have been more than just successful lol.

Agree with everything you pointed out but I'm sorry, dynasties mean championships and 2 in 15 years is not a dynasty. We are a perennial powerhouse as of late. If we had won in 17 and if we go on to win this year then i would say that we would be a dynasty for the last 4 years.

No doubt. We gotta get on top of NDSU. I am optimistic.

And what would that do for us ? They have 5 NC's and a HC would pick our program over theirs any day. I'm extremely happy where our program is at and the future of it.

That would leave no doubt who is the best in FCS.

(12-13-2019 05:13 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 03:52 PM)arlingtonduke Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 01:53 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 12:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 08:51 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Im sorry but 2 NCs and 3 finals appearances in 15 years in not a dynasty at all. We've been successful for sure but nowhere near the runs of NDSU, Alabama, Patriots, Yankees

How many CAA titles , Coaches of the year , players of the years , NFL players , Gameday, ESPN appearances , etc etc. More goes into being a dynasty than just championships (We have 2/3). JMU is arguably the most successful football program in VA in the last 15 years. FBS doesn't compare because their playoff structure is not as rigorous as ours. Reasons why teams on top stay on top in FBS. We have been more than just successful lol.

Agree with everything you pointed out but I'm sorry, dynasties mean championships and 2 in 15 years is not a dynasty. We are a perennial powerhouse as of late. If we had won in 17 and if we go on to win this year then i would say that we would be a dynasty for the last 4 years.

No doubt. We gotta get on top of NDSU. I am optimistic.

And what would that do for us ? They have 5 NC's and a HC would pick our program over theirs any day. I'm extremely happy where our program is at and the future of it.

This is a great way to look at things. I like it. Thanks Rod

(12-11-2019 05:58 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU should be in a different league.

We are the last remaining founding member of the CAA; everyone else capable of leaving has left

Basketball or football? You are wrong on both counts. (Any school is capable of leaving).

BB: W&M is a founding member, dating back to the ECAC South. UNCW joined in '85 which is when the league expanded and rechristened itself the CAA.

FB: All but 4 of the schools (Albany, SB, Elon, Towson) date back to the days of the Yankee/A-10/CAA conferences. Most of those schools (including Richmond) were in the Yankee Conference before W&M and JMU joined.

(12-11-2019 05:58 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU should be in a different league.

We are the last remaining founding member of the CAA; everyone else capable of leaving has left

This is an inaccurate statement.

(12-14-2019 11:47 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(12-11-2019 05:58 PM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU should be in a different league.

We are the last remaining founding member of the CAA; everyone else capable of leaving has left

Basketball or football? You are wrong on both counts. (Any school is capable of leaving).

BB: W&M is a founding member, dating back to the ECAC South. UNCW joined in '85 which is when the league expanded and rechristened itself the CAA.

FB: All but 4 of the schools (Albany, SB, Elon, Towson) date back to the days of the Yankee/A-10/CAA conferences. Most of those schools (including Richmond) were in the Yankee Conference before W&M and JMU joined.

I guess ODUSports.com must have some bad info on the history of their former conference.

Ya’ll have been the 2nd best FCS program for more than a decade. My top-3:

1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. Eastern

If that kind of sustained success isn’t a dynasty, I don’t know what is. Championships only tell part of the story.

(12-23-2019 01:14 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Ya’ll have been the 2nd best FCS program for more than a decade. My top-3:

1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. Eastern

If that kind of sustained success isn’t a dynasty, I don’t know what is. Championships only tell part of the story.

We are a CAA dynasty already for sure and an FCS powerhouse. We're not in the discussion as an FCS dynasty until we win on Jan 11. Similarly, Clemson and Alabama are FBS dynasties, while Ohio State is just a B1G dynasty. Making it to, and winning multiple championships in a short period of time is what makes a dynasty. Winning a lot of regular season games does not.

I've never heard of the Buffalo Bills dynasty in spite of 4 straight SB appearances and being by and large the best team of the early 90s. If they won 2 of those SB there would be no doubt that they would be in the discussion with the 49ers and Cowboys for dynasties of that era. Even 1 win they would have had some discussion, but not with an 0 fer.

(12-23-2019 01:14 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Ya’ll have been the 2nd best FCS program for more than a decade. My top-3:

1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. Eastern

If that kind of sustained success isn’t a dynasty, I don’t know what is. Championships only tell part of the story.

If you consider the most recent few years JMU would be a clear 2nd, but if you go from around 2010, I don’t think it’s quite as clear. This has been talked about in some depth elsewhere and I believe EWU and possibly even Sammy have better postseason resumes than JMU /shrug.

(12-23-2019 01:29 PM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 01:14 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Ya’ll have been the 2nd best FCS program for more than a decade. My top-3:

1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. Eastern

If that kind of sustained success isn’t a dynasty, I don’t know what is. Championships only tell part of the story.

We are a CAA dynasty already for sure and an FCS powerhouse. We're not in the discussion as an FCS dynasty until we win on Jan 11. Similarly, Clemson and Alabama are FBS dynasties, while Ohio State is just a B1G dynasty. Making it to, and winning multiple championships in a short period of time is what makes a dynasty. Winning a lot of regular season games does not.

I've never heard of the Buffalo Bills dynasty in spite of 4 straight SB appearances and being by and large the best team of the early 90s. If they won 2 of those SB there would be no doubt that they would be in the discussion with the 49ers and Cowboys for dynasties of that era. Even 1 win they would have had some discussion, but not with an 0 fer.

Even with a win we are NOT a dynasty. That word gets thrown around too much. 2 titles in 4 years is incredible, but that doesn't mean we are a dynasty. We didn't even win the CAA title last season. We don't get to overlook last season and getting to the championship game in 2017 doesn't put us as a dynasty either. It has to be done for a long period of time.
NDSU IS a dynasty... like it or not. They won a bunch of titles and we dethroned them for a year. They came back and won the next two. That's consistency.
Calling us a dynasty is foolish. We've had a really good run right now. The way I see it we need to win another handful to even fit the definition of a dynasty.
The closest we are to a dynasty is CAA champions (4 out of last 5 years).

(12-23-2019 02:19 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Even with a win we are NOT a dynasty. That word gets thrown around too much. 2 titles in 4 years is incredible, but that doesn't mean we are a dynasty. We didn't even win the CAA title last season. We don't get to overlook last season and getting to the championship game in 2017 doesn't put us as a dynasty either. It has to be done for a long period of time.

So, while I do not believe I have used this word, was accused of doing so when comparing JMU's success to approaching that of App St. App St won 3 FCS Titles. Some seem to believe they qualify, but JMU does not.

What exactly is the benchmark? As of today only 4 teams in FCS (past or present) have ever won 3 or more Nattys. (GSU, NDSU, YSU, App St)

I think people actually worry too much about this word. If we win on Jan 11, JMU would be one of only 5 teams that can claim 3 FCS titles. That is elite, no matter what phrasing you wish to use.

We are in the throws of being a dynasty. There isn't another program in FCS other than NDSU who doesn't want to have and be what JMU is.

3 Natty appearances in 4 years is pretty darned good. We are one of the top 3 or 4 programs in FCS.

I'll take it and hope to be even more dominant. After 1/11/20 we will have beaten NDSU 2 out of 3.

(12-23-2019 02:38 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  We are in the throws of being a dynasty. There isn't another program in FCS other than NDSU who doesn't want to have and be what JMU is.

3 Natty appearances in 4 years is pretty darned good. We are one of the top 3 or 4 programs in FCS.

I'll take it and hope to be even more dominant. After 1/11/20 we will have beaten NDSU 2 out of 3.

If we win it would actually be 2 out of 4.

If we win on 1/11/20, JMU Football have will have won a national championship in three consecutive decades. Dynasty or not, that is sustained success over a considerable amount of time.