(12-09-2019 05:42 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The MW is waiting for the LA Bowl details. It may be #4 team after the CFP.
This last LV bowl matchup will have Wash as #5 PAC team probably because of the UW/BSU coach Pete storyline..otherwise it would be 6-6 WSU.

If we can’t improve the PAC pick, then I want to play the champ of some other conference.

The Arizona Bowl next year gets upgraded to MW#2 vs MAC #2.. maybe MAC#1.

Great idea.

(12-09-2019 04:22 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 04:13 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  As a fan of the AAC, I'd like to say that I would absolutely support the creation of two g5 bowl games featuring the four best teams available as long as everyone realizes that the American would not have anything to do with it. However it would 100% support the mwc, sunbelt, mac and CUSA to go full steam ahead and I know that the AAC has stated as much in the past.

Sorry, tallest midget, if your school doesn't get the NY6 spot we're dragging you down into the depths of Mid-Major Lagoon with the rest of us.

You can get your panties in a wad all you want but the truth is that the American has already emphatically come out against any g5/g4 champ matchups back when the mac and some other g4 conferences and Brett Mcmurphy were trying to drum up support for it a couple of years ago. Sorry.

(12-09-2019 04:22 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-09-2019 04:13 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  As a fan of the AAC, I'd like to say that I would absolutely support the creation of two g5 bowl games featuring the four best teams available as long as everyone realizes that the American would not have anything to do with it. However it would 100% support the mwc, sunbelt, mac and CUSA to go full steam ahead and I know that the AAC has stated as much in the past.

Sorry, tallest midget, if your school doesn't get the NY6 spot we're dragging you down into the depths of Mid-Major Lagoon with the rest of us.

Once you separate the bowls (G5 / P5) for play off reasons you will separate the cash flow which the P5 teams will take with them. Better believe the P5 Conferences are waiting and salivating for the G5 schools to make that move so they can take all of that college playoff and bowl money.

There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

Any weekday before Christmas is a terrible time slot. Shoot for the Saturday before Christmas. That's why the Las Vegas Bowl does well. It's not deemed good enough for P5 v. P5 matchups, but plenty of college football fans will tune in.

(12-10-2019 01:08 PM)YNot Wrote:  Any weekday before Christmas is a terrible time slot. Shoot for the Saturday before Christmas. That's why the Las Vegas Bowl does well. It's not deemed good enough for P5 v. P5 matchups, but plenty of college football fans will tune in.

The Las Vegas Bowl does have a good position. Opening weekend of bowl season, so most fans are probably just going to have a taste, but it is usually the best of the offerings that day and it has been on at 3:30 on ABC.

This year's ratings will be interesting...Boca Raton Bowl featuring 10-win SMU and conference champ FAU has the 3:30 ABC and the Las Vegas Bowl moves to 7 with its Peterson storyline.

But my observation is that the bowl ratings are what the bowl ratings are - I bet I could list the bowls in ratings/viewers rank order TODAY and have 91% of them within 3 ordinal spots come 14 January. AND that list today would only have a few changes from what I would have drawn up a week ago, having just the schedule and tie-ins before horse trading and matchups.

(12-09-2019 06:21 PM)AZcats Wrote:  Crazy idea that I know will never happen. Each G5 Champ is paired with a P5 team that has a .500 or better conference record.

I like this better too. More G5/P5 matchups would be better

Reading this thread I had a thought (I'm not really sure if I even like this idea).

The NY6 hosts the G5 National Championship. It would rotate between the Fiesta, Peach, and Cotton Bowls, and would feature the highest two rated G5 Conference Champions. This would allow two G5 conferences to enjoy the payout of a NY6 bowl (which is why the P5 will never let this happen), and it would feature two teams/fan bases that are excited to be there instead of one team that is disappointing by being there.

The matchups going into the game would have been:

2019 Cotton Bowl: 17) Memphis (AAC Champ) v. 19) Boise St. (MWC Champ)
2018 Peach Bowl: 8) UCF (AAC Champ) v. 21) Fresno St. (MWC Champ)
2017 Fiesta Bowl: 12) UCF (AAC Champ) v. 25) Boise St. (MWC Champ)
2016 Cotton Bowl: 15) Western Michigan (MAC Champ) v. 24) Temple (AAC Champ)
2015 Peach Bowl: 18) Houston (AAC Champ) v. NR) Western Kentucky (CUSA Champ) (25th in AP Poll)
2014 Fiesta Bowl: 20) Boise St. (MWC Champ) v. NR) Marshall (CUSA Champ) (28th in AP Poll)

(12-10-2019 10:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring this point. So many people want to create a G5 playoff that fail to realize that it immediately becomes the rough equivalent of the kiddie pool that subsequently gets ignored. As you so perfectly showed, the FCS championship doesn't draw the attention of virtually any FBS bowl. A G5 playoff, or multiple G5/G5 bowls, will be considered by the general public to be the Durham Bulls vs. the Columbus Clippers instead of the Rays vs. the Yankees. Only the most diehard sports fans will watch or care. Which is why none of the G5 leagues will likely sign up for it. For sure the AAC won't, I don't see how the MWC would, so now you're down to 3.



USFFan

(12-10-2019 05:46 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 10:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring this point. So many people want to create a G5 playoff that fail to realize that it immediately becomes the rough equivalent of the kiddie pool that subsequently gets ignored. As you so perfectly showed, the FCS championship doesn't draw the attention of virtually any FBS bowl.

There's a point here, but I think you guys push it a bit too far. I mean, it's not like the general college football fans don't regard the G5 as a kind of 'kiddie pool' right now, most of them do. So your concern is kind of like a coach of a hoops team rejecting an idea an assistant coach has when the team is trailing by 20 with 4 minutes to go on the grounds that it might cause us to fall behind by 25. Not much to lose there.

So the main reason I am meh about this idea isn't because of a perceived loss of status, it's the opposite - there's really nothing to be gained by it. Nobody cares if the MAC champ plays the Sun Belt champ, or the Sun Belt #2, in a bowl so why go through the bother.

(12-10-2019 06:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 05:46 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 10:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring this point. So many people want to create a G5 playoff that fail to realize that it immediately becomes the rough equivalent of the kiddie pool that subsequently gets ignored. As you so perfectly showed, the FCS championship doesn't draw the attention of virtually any FBS bowl.

There's a point here, but I think you guys push it a bit too far. I mean, it's not like the general college football fans don't regard the G5 as a kind of 'kiddie pool' right now, most of them do. So your concern is kind of like a coach of a hoops team rejecting an idea an assistant coach has when the team is trailing by 20 with 4 minutes to go on the grounds that it might cause us to fall behind by 25. Not much to lose there.

So the main reason I am meh about this idea isn't because of a perceived loss of status, it's the opposite - there's really nothing to be gained by it. Nobody cares if the MAC champ plays the Sun Belt champ, or the Sun Belt #2, in a bowl so why go through the bother.

It's less of a kiddie pool when there's a legitimate chance at an NY6 bid up for grabs. Take a look at the conference championship game ratings (stolen from Bearcat2012):

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

SEC- 13.7- Million 12/7, 4pm CBS
Big 10- 13.55 Million 12/7, 8pm FOX
Big 12- 8.7 Million 12/7, Noon ABC
PAC 12- 5.86 Million 12/6, 8pm ABC
ACC- 3.97 Million 12/7, 7:30pm ABC
AAC- 2.88 Million 12/7, 3:30pm ABC
Sun Belt- 726K 12/7, Noon ESPN
MWC- 550K 12/7, 4pm ESPN
MAC- 358K 12/7, Noon ESPN2
(no data for CUSA)

I suspect without an NY6 bid on the line, that AAC number drops dramatically back down to the 1 million or less area code...

USFFan

(12-10-2019 06:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 06:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 05:46 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 10:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring this point. So many people want to create a G5 playoff that fail to realize that it immediately becomes the rough equivalent of the kiddie pool that subsequently gets ignored. As you so perfectly showed, the FCS championship doesn't draw the attention of virtually any FBS bowl.

There's a point here, but I think you guys push it a bit too far. I mean, it's not like the general college football fans don't regard the G5 as a kind of 'kiddie pool' right now, most of them do. So your concern is kind of like a coach of a hoops team rejecting an idea an assistant coach has when the team is trailing by 20 with 4 minutes to go on the grounds that it might cause us to fall behind by 25. Not much to lose there.

So the main reason I am meh about this idea isn't because of a perceived loss of status, it's the opposite - there's really nothing to be gained by it. Nobody cares if the MAC champ plays the Sun Belt champ, or the Sun Belt #2, in a bowl so why go through the bother.

It's less of a kiddie pool when there's a legitimate chance at an NY6 bid up for grabs. Take a look at the conference championship game ratings (stolen from Bearcat2012):

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

SEC- 13.7- Million 12/7, 4pm CBS
Big 10- 13.55 Million 12/7, 8pm FOX
Big 12- 8.7 Million 12/7, Noon ABC
PAC 12- 5.86 Million 12/6, 8pm ABC
ACC- 3.97 Million 12/7, 7:30pm ABC
AAC- 2.88 Million 12/7, 3:30pm ABC
Sun Belt- 726K 12/7, Noon ESPN
MWC- 550K 12/7, 4pm ESPN
MAC- 358K 12/7, Noon ESPN2
(no data for CUSA)

I suspect without an NY6 bid on the line, that AAC number drops dramatically back down to the 1 million or less area code...

USFFan

Interesting question, but as Joey Trebbiani might say, the point is moo. In five years of AAC Championship Games, the AACCG has always had NY6 implications, and the AACCG viewership has always been over two million viewers, and only once has not been closer to the least-viewed "P5" CCG than to the most-viewed G4 CCG.

2015, #18 Houston lining up for the NY6
PAC12 2.582M
AAC 2.450M
MAC 1.034M

2016, #19 Navy had the potential to pass undefeated #17 WMU
BigXII 4.817M
AAC 2.050M
MAC 1.358M

2017, UCF hoping for playoff
PAC12 3.657M
AAC 3.385M
MAC 0.652M

2018, UCF hoping for playoff
PAC12 4.059M
AAC 3.321M
mwc 1.036M

2019, Memphis/Cincinnati holding off Boise State and Appalachian State for the Cotton Bowl
ACC 3.97M
AAC 2.88M
SunBelt 0.726M

They just need to have less 6-6 teams in bowl games period. That way a 10-2 or 11-1 G5 can play a 7-5/8-4 P5.

(12-10-2019 06:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 06:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 05:46 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 10:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring this point. So many people want to create a G5 playoff that fail to realize that it immediately becomes the rough equivalent of the kiddie pool that subsequently gets ignored. As you so perfectly showed, the FCS championship doesn't draw the attention of virtually any FBS bowl.

There's a point here, but I think you guys push it a bit too far. I mean, it's not like the general college football fans don't regard the G5 as a kind of 'kiddie pool' right now, most of them do. So your concern is kind of like a coach of a hoops team rejecting an idea an assistant coach has when the team is trailing by 20 with 4 minutes to go on the grounds that it might cause us to fall behind by 25. Not much to lose there.

So the main reason I am meh about this idea isn't because of a perceived loss of status, it's the opposite - there's really nothing to be gained by it. Nobody cares if the MAC champ plays the Sun Belt champ, or the Sun Belt #2, in a bowl so why go through the bother.

It's less of a kiddie pool when there's a legitimate chance at an NY6 bid up for grabs. Take a look at the conference championship game ratings (stolen from Bearcat2012):

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

SEC- 13.7- Million 12/7, 4pm CBS
Big 10- 13.55 Million 12/7, 8pm FOX
Big 12- 8.7 Million 12/7, Noon ABC
PAC 12- 5.86 Million 12/6, 8pm ABC
ACC- 3.97 Million 12/7, 7:30pm ABC
AAC- 2.88 Million 12/7, 3:30pm ABC
Sun Belt- 726K 12/7, Noon ESPN
MWC- 550K 12/7, 4pm ESPN
MAC- 358K 12/7, Noon ESPN2
(no data for CUSA)

I suspect without an NY6 bid on the line, that AAC number drops dramatically back down to the 1 million or less area code...

USFFan

Not bad for the AAC considering they were going head to head against the MW CCG as well as the SEC CCG. They did pretty well going head to head against the SEC last year. I think the AAC's gamble on taking less money in exchange for more exposure on ESPN and ABC has paid off. I think a lot of casual fans learned over the last 6 years that the top of the AAC plays some pretty entertaining games. It seems the audience of casual fans willing to watch those AAC games is growing.

One thing that would need to be done for a G5 champions bowl is to have it after Christmas. It would be best to have it on a a OTA channel (even on Stadium) on Jan 1. There is only 1 OTA game on Jan 1.
Sure it would compete against ESPN bowls, but it would still have good exposure to be on TV as people dropping cable keeps growing.

(12-10-2019 06:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 06:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 05:46 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 10:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring this point. So many people want to create a G5 playoff that fail to realize that it immediately becomes the rough equivalent of the kiddie pool that subsequently gets ignored. As you so perfectly showed, the FCS championship doesn't draw the attention of virtually any FBS bowl.

There's a point here, but I think you guys push it a bit too far. I mean, it's not like the general college football fans don't regard the G5 as a kind of 'kiddie pool' right now, most of them do. So your concern is kind of like a coach of a hoops team rejecting an idea an assistant coach has when the team is trailing by 20 with 4 minutes to go on the grounds that it might cause us to fall behind by 25. Not much to lose there.

So the main reason I am meh about this idea isn't because of a perceived loss of status, it's the opposite - there's really nothing to be gained by it. Nobody cares if the MAC champ plays the Sun Belt champ, or the Sun Belt #2, in a bowl so why go through the bother.

It's less of a kiddie pool when there's a legitimate chance at an NY6 bid up for grabs. Take a look at the conference championship game ratings (stolen from Bearcat2012):

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

SEC- 13.7- Million 12/7, 4pm CBS
Big 10- 13.55 Million 12/7, 8pm FOX
Big 12- 8.7 Million 12/7, Noon ABC
PAC 12- 5.86 Million 12/6, 8pm ABC
ACC- 3.97 Million 12/7, 7:30pm ABC
AAC- 2.88 Million 12/7, 3:30pm ABC
Sun Belt- 726K 12/7, Noon ESPN
MWC- 550K 12/7, 4pm ESPN
MAC- 358K 12/7, Noon ESPN2
(no data for CUSA)

I suspect without an NY6 bid on the line, that AAC number drops dramatically back down to the 1 million or less area code...

USFFan

It has more to do with timeslot and channel than anything else.

(12-11-2019 03:33 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 06:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 06:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 05:46 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 10:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring this point. So many people want to create a G5 playoff that fail to realize that it immediately becomes the rough equivalent of the kiddie pool that subsequently gets ignored. As you so perfectly showed, the FCS championship doesn't draw the attention of virtually any FBS bowl.

There's a point here, but I think you guys push it a bit too far. I mean, it's not like the general college football fans don't regard the G5 as a kind of 'kiddie pool' right now, most of them do. So your concern is kind of like a coach of a hoops team rejecting an idea an assistant coach has when the team is trailing by 20 with 4 minutes to go on the grounds that it might cause us to fall behind by 25. Not much to lose there.

So the main reason I am meh about this idea isn't because of a perceived loss of status, it's the opposite - there's really nothing to be gained by it. Nobody cares if the MAC champ plays the Sun Belt champ, or the Sun Belt #2, in a bowl so why go through the bother.

It's less of a kiddie pool when there's a legitimate chance at an NY6 bid up for grabs. Take a look at the conference championship game ratings (stolen from Bearcat2012):

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

SEC- 13.7- Million 12/7, 4pm CBS
Big 10- 13.55 Million 12/7, 8pm FOX
Big 12- 8.7 Million 12/7, Noon ABC
PAC 12- 5.86 Million 12/6, 8pm ABC
ACC- 3.97 Million 12/7, 7:30pm ABC
AAC- 2.88 Million 12/7, 3:30pm ABC
Sun Belt- 726K 12/7, Noon ESPN
MWC- 550K 12/7, 4pm ESPN
MAC- 358K 12/7, Noon ESPN2
(no data for CUSA)

I suspect without an NY6 bid on the line, that AAC number drops dramatically back down to the 1 million or less area code...

USFFan

It has more to do with timeslot and channel than anything else.

I would definitely say this for the bowls - bowl ratings are pretty predictable based on timeslot and contracted tie-ins before the matchups are even made.

CCGs ? It's about the matchup.

AAC results are impressive vis a vis the G4 when you consider that they have gone up against the SEC CCG for the last couple years.

C-USA created the Heart of Dallas Bowl until it sold it to ESPN. The Sun Belt created the New Orleans Bowl that way its champion could play in a bowl.

The old WAC created the Fiesta Bowl and later on the Holiday Bowl. The MWC champion played the C-USA champion in the Liberty Bowl from 1999 until 2005 (although the WAC champion was the rep in 2004 and 2005).

The have nots creating a bowl or playing champ vs champ is not something new.

(12-09-2019 03:28 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...that matches the top 2 G5 champs (excluding the team selected to the NY6). Play it at 10am January 1

I would watch Boise St. vs. App State. These are good football teams

Sorry, but no. Another game setting barriers between the A5 and the AAC.

(12-11-2019 12:16 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 06:38 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 06:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 05:46 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-10-2019 10:59 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  There ACTUALLY WAS a Bowl with two G4 champions in 2018: CUSA and MAC champs met up in the Boca Raton Bowl. 0.8 rating, 1.346 million viewers.

That was better than the FCS championship, and better than four other "G5" vs "G5" bowls (three of those four bowls were less-viewed than the FCS championship but all beat out the FCS semifinals). The Boca Raton Bowl did have a bad timeslot - Tuesday evening a week before Christmas, most of America still in school/work routine. At least it was in prime time. That said, it performed worse than every one of the AAC/G4 vs mid-pack "P5" bowl that everyone is condemning.

Even the Boise-BC bowl called off for weather/indifference did better than the matchup of the CUSA and MAC champs.
The UCF Fiesta Bowl was right in the mix of NY6 bowls - after the "national championship" game, those NY6 bowls rated in pairs - the two semifinals, then after a gap the Rose and Sugar, then after a gap the other two, and UCF in the Fiesta was actually the better rated of the other two NY6.
The next best "G5" vs "P5" bowl was the mwc champ in the Las Vegas Bowl with 3.343 million viewers That's pretty standard performance for the Las Vegas Bowl and ahead of a handful of "P5" vs "P5" bowls, including the Outback Bowl on New Year's Day and the Sun Bowl. Every "P5" conference was represented in at least one of the bowls out-rated by the Las Vegas Bowl - I would say by the Las Vegas Bowl and the Military Bowl, but BigXII's lowest outdrew the Military Bowl by 37,000 viewers.

I don't understand why people keep ignoring this point. So many people want to create a G5 playoff that fail to realize that it immediately becomes the rough equivalent of the kiddie pool that subsequently gets ignored. As you so perfectly showed, the FCS championship doesn't draw the attention of virtually any FBS bowl.

There's a point here, but I think you guys push it a bit too far. I mean, it's not like the general college football fans don't regard the G5 as a kind of 'kiddie pool' right now, most of them do. So your concern is kind of like a coach of a hoops team rejecting an idea an assistant coach has when the team is trailing by 20 with 4 minutes to go on the grounds that it might cause us to fall behind by 25. Not much to lose there.

So the main reason I am meh about this idea isn't because of a perceived loss of status, it's the opposite - there's really nothing to be gained by it. Nobody cares if the MAC champ plays the Sun Belt champ, or the Sun Belt #2, in a bowl so why go through the bother.

It's less of a kiddie pool when there's a legitimate chance at an NY6 bid up for grabs. Take a look at the conference championship game ratings (stolen from Bearcat2012):

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

SEC- 13.7- Million 12/7, 4pm CBS
Big 10- 13.55 Million 12/7, 8pm FOX
Big 12- 8.7 Million 12/7, Noon ABC
PAC 12- 5.86 Million 12/6, 8pm ABC
ACC- 3.97 Million 12/7, 7:30pm ABC
AAC- 2.88 Million 12/7, 3:30pm ABC
Sun Belt- 726K 12/7, Noon ESPN
MWC- 550K 12/7, 4pm ESPN
MAC- 358K 12/7, Noon ESPN2
(no data for CUSA)

I suspect without an NY6 bid on the line, that AAC number drops dramatically back down to the 1 million or less area code...

USFFan

Not bad for the AAC considering they were going head to head against the MW CCG as well as the SEC CCG. They did pretty well going head to head against the SEC last year. I think the AAC's gamble on taking less money in exchange for more exposure on ESPN and ABC has paid off. I think a lot of casual fans learned over the last 6 years that the top of the AAC plays some pretty entertaining games. It seems the audience of casual fans willing to watch those AAC games is growing.

The SEC game (to LSU’s credit) got boring as it became a blowout. The AAC game was down to the wire. I started with SEC, changed to watch the end of AAC, then went back to SEC while I put up my Christmas tree.