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I got it

Big American Metro Football Conference

Or the BAMF for short.
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(12-07-2019 03:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  "The American" is actually not a bad name. It is slowly growing on me. The only problem is AAC acronym is too close to ACC and AAC sounds more like an insurance company. But who cares. Just don't use the acronym.

So just drop the "Athletic"
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The original C-USA was a force to be reckoned with, gridiron and hardwood. They just started doing dumb things like inviting Army and replenishing teams to secure a CCG, while kicking out solid basketball schools.
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(12-07-2019 06:39 PM)esayem Wrote:  The original C-USA was a force to be reckoned with, gridiron and hardwood. They just started doing dumb things like inviting Army and replenishing teams to secure a CCG, while kicking out solid basketball schools.

Wasnt that so much as they kept losing the teams that made them good.
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(12-07-2019 06:39 PM)esayem Wrote:  The original C-USA was a force to be reckoned with, gridiron and hardwood. They just started doing dumb things like inviting Army and replenishing teams to secure a CCG, while kicking out solid basketball schools.
The Army thing didn’t work out, but they had been good in the years leading up to it. Seemed like a solid add-on at the time, much like the Navy/AAC deal today.

Kicking out UNCC and Saint Louis? Eh, mixed feelings. They were leaving right as we (Marshall) we’re arriving. Fact is, 49ers haven’t done shitt in hoops since then. I think Saint Louis has had a few decent teams.

What doomed CUSA was not Army football, or losing Charlotte basketball. It was losing Cincinnati and Louisville and TCU, plus DePaul/Marquette in hoops. They wanted to get out. Nothing we could’ve done to keep them.
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IMO, I think it was a major branding and identity mistake for what the (then) Big East Football Conference decided on for a league name (the American). Obviously, 2012-2013 was a very uncertain and chaotic time for college athletics with realignment, so the conference's leadership (Aresco/Presidents/ADs) didn't want to back itself into a corner that would have established a number in its name, or even a location. Compounding the issue was the presence of UConn, the lone public flagship and land-grant institution in the league, which shared little-to-no history with the rest of the membership. However, the most confusing aspect of the AAC branding was in the goals and objectives that the members sought-out after the separation; it wanted to be viewed and treated as a power conference, it wanted to eliminate the associations it has with prior conference affiliations, and it wanted to maintain (and elevate) the status that Big East Football had from 2005-2012.

In choosing the AAC identity, it selected a brand that was incredibly similar to C-USA (where nearly all of its members were pulled from, and was clearly not viewed as a power conference), it chose the exact same colors (Red, White and Blue), and it picked a generic name that did not identify with a region or area of the country (to protect itself if it truly became a national conference). Seven years later, the AAC did not get Boise State, Air Force, BYU, San Diego State, Army or Colorado State, it has lost UConn, and - perhaps for the better - has a more analogous membership than it has had before.

If it were up to me, I would have the AAC grab UAB as #12 (all sports), then extend invitations to VCU (#13, non-football) and Saint Louis (#14, non-football), and change the league's name to the American Metro Conference. It better identifies with a collection of schools and teams, and the league would not be under long-term threat of expansion to potentially raid its membership. I believe Louisville owns the rights to the "Metro" name, but I'm not sure if that would be close enough to warrant purchasing it from them.
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Big David State Conference or bust!
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(12-07-2019 03:25 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Metro Eastern Athletic Ten

The M.E.A.T. Conference


(12-07-2019 02:59 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(12-07-2019 02:26 PM)pablowow Wrote:  BIG AMERICAN sounds great for the future blended Big 12/American merger

Also sounds like a great name for the burger at the local diner.

Today's special: The Big American Burger! Just $8.99

The Mid-American needs to expand by four and rebrand as the Big MAC.

This thread is making me hungry.
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(12-07-2019 04:04 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(12-07-2019 03:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  "The American" is actually not a bad name. It is slowly growing on me. The only problem is AAC acronym is too close to ACC and AAC sounds more like an insurance company. But who cares. Just don't use the acronym.

So just drop the "Athletic"

Yes, I agree. You can leave it on the official papers (easier for legal purposes) but Brand it as simply "The American Conference". You don't need a "Big" on that.
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(12-07-2019 03:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  "The American" is actually not a bad name. It is slowly growing on me. The only problem is AAC acronym is too close to ACC and AAC sounds more like an insurance company. But who cares. Just don't use the acronym.

Conference's preferernce is to call it "The American" -- if ESPN gets on board with that it will happen.
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There's nothing "Big" or "P6" about them. 6-13 vs P5.
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(12-08-2019 12:33 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  IMO, I think it was a major branding and identity mistake for what the (then) Big East Football Conference decided on for a league name (the American). Obviously, 2012-2013 was a very uncertain and chaotic time for college athletics with realignment, so the conference's leadership (Aresco/Presidents/ADs) didn't want to back itself into a corner that would have established a number in its name, or even a location. Compounding the issue was the presence of UConn, the lone public flagship and land-grant institution in the league, which shared little-to-no history with the rest of the membership. However, the most confusing aspect of the AAC branding was in the goals and objectives that the members sought-out after the separation; it wanted to be viewed and treated as a power conference, it wanted to eliminate the associations it has with prior conference affiliations, and it wanted to maintain (and elevate) the status that Big East Football had from 2005-2012.

In choosing the AAC identity, it selected a brand that was incredibly similar to C-USA (where nearly all of its members were pulled from, and was clearly not viewed as a power conference), it chose the exact same colors (Red, White and Blue), and it picked a generic name that did not identify with a region or area of the country (to protect itself if it truly became a national conference). Seven years later, the AAC did not get Boise State, Air Force, BYU, San Diego State, Army or Colorado State, it has lost UConn, and - perhaps for the better - has a more analogous membership than it has had before.

If it were up to me, I would have the AAC grab UAB as #12 (all sports), then extend invitations to VCU (#13, non-football) and Saint Louis (#14, non-football), and change the league's name to the American Metro Conference. It better identifies with a collection of schools and teams, and the league would not be under long-term threat of expansion to potentially raid its membership. I believe Louisville owns the rights to the "Metro" name, but I'm not sure if that would be close enough to warrant purchasing it from them.

Interestingly, the Big East actually filed for the "American Metro Conference" trademark registration in April 2013. The application was abandoned, because you have to actually use the name to maintain trademark rights.

The Big 12 has filed for the "Big 14" trademark registration three times - in 1997 (abandoned in 1999), 2005 (abandoned in 2009), and again in 2009 (abandoned in 2012).

You can apply to register a trademark based on "intent to use" the name, but you have to eventually start using the name to obtain the registration and you can only extend the application for about 3 years, if you're not yet actually use the name.
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(12-09-2019 11:37 AM)westwolf Wrote:  There's nothing "Big" or "P6" about them. 6-13 vs P5.

4-15 versus the P5 must also not be very worthy—time to boot out the ACC.
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(12-09-2019 12:07 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(12-08-2019 12:33 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  IMO, I think it was a major branding and identity mistake for what the (then) Big East Football Conference decided on for a league name (the American). Obviously, 2012-2013 was a very uncertain and chaotic time for college athletics with realignment, so the conference's leadership (Aresco/Presidents/ADs) didn't want to back itself into a corner that would have established a number in its name, or even a location. Compounding the issue was the presence of UConn, the lone public flagship and land-grant institution in the league, which shared little-to-no history with the rest of the membership. However, the most confusing aspect of the AAC branding was in the goals and objectives that the members sought-out after the separation; it wanted to be viewed and treated as a power conference, it wanted to eliminate the associations it has with prior conference affiliations, and it wanted to maintain (and elevate) the status that Big East Football had from 2005-2012.

In choosing the AAC identity, it selected a brand that was incredibly similar to C-USA (where nearly all of its members were pulled from, and was clearly not viewed as a power conference), it chose the exact same colors (Red, White and Blue), and it picked a generic name that did not identify with a region or area of the country (to protect itself if it truly became a national conference). Seven years later, the AAC did not get Boise State, Air Force, BYU, San Diego State, Army or Colorado State, it has lost UConn, and - perhaps for the better - has a more analogous membership than it has had before.

If it were up to me, I would have the AAC grab UAB as #12 (all sports), then extend invitations to VCU (#13, non-football) and Saint Louis (#14, non-football), and change the league's name to the American Metro Conference. It better identifies with a collection of schools and teams, and the league would not be under long-term threat of expansion to potentially raid its membership. I believe Louisville owns the rights to the "Metro" name, but I'm not sure if that would be close enough to warrant purchasing it from them.

Interestingly, the Big East actually filed for the "American Metro Conference" trademark registration in April 2013. The application was abandoned, because you have to actually use the name to maintain trademark rights.

The Big 12 has filed for the "Big 14" trademark registration three times - in 1997 (abandoned in 1999), 2005 (abandoned in 2009), and again in 2009 (abandoned in 2012).

You can apply to register a trademark based on "intent to use" the name, but you have to eventually start using the name to obtain the registration and you can only extend the application for about 3 years, if you're not yet actually use the name.

Interesting. Source? Would be interested in seeing what other names the C7 was interested in using.
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If the AAC is going to rename to the Big American Conference then I want CUSA to rename to the...


REAL AMERICAN CONFERENCE. And have this played before every game:



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(12-07-2019 02:26 PM)pablowow Wrote:  BIG AMERICAN sounds great for the future blended Big 12/American merger

The AAC should never have sold the "Big East" name to the basketball schools.
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(12-09-2019 04:05 PM)TuckerGnat Wrote:  
(12-07-2019 02:26 PM)pablowow Wrote:  BIG AMERICAN sounds great for the future blended Big 12/American merger

The AAC should never have sold the "Big East" name to the basketball schools.

But that wouldn't have worked, because then the basketball schools would have called themselves the "Bigger East Conference".
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(12-08-2019 12:33 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  IMO, I think it was a major branding and identity mistake for what the (then) Big East Football Conference decided on for a league name (the American). Obviously, 2012-2013 was a very uncertain and chaotic time for college athletics with realignment, so the conference's leadership (Aresco/Presidents/ADs) didn't want to back itself into a corner that would have established a number in its name, or even a location. Compounding the issue was the presence of UConn, the lone public flagship and land-grant institution in the league, which shared little-to-no history with the rest of the membership. However, the most confusing aspect of the AAC branding was in the goals and objectives that the members sought-out after the separation; it wanted to be viewed and treated as a power conference, it wanted to eliminate the associations it has with prior conference affiliations, and it wanted to maintain (and elevate) the status that Big East Football had from 2005-2012.

In choosing the AAC identity, it selected a brand that was incredibly similar to C-USA (where nearly all of its members were pulled from, and was clearly not viewed as a power conference), it chose the exact same colors (Red, White and Blue), and it picked a generic name that did not identify with a region or area of the country (to protect itself if it truly became a national conference). Seven years later, the AAC did not get Boise State, Air Force, BYU, San Diego State, Army or Colorado State, it has lost UConn, and - perhaps for the better - has a more analogous membership than it has had before.

If it were up to me, I would have the AAC grab UAB as #12 (all sports), then extend invitations to VCU (#13, non-football) and Saint Louis (#14, non-football), and change the league's name to the American Metro Conference. It better identifies with a collection of schools and teams, and the league would not be under long-term threat of expansion to potentially raid its membership. I believe Louisville owns the rights to the "Metro" name, but I'm not sure if that would be close enough to warrant purchasing it from them.

I like the VCU part of your plan--the rest is probably more dilutive to conference quality than additive.
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I've advocated for the AAC to rebrand themselves as the American Power Conference (APC). It's similar, but the media is forced to call the American a power conference just by stating their name. Plus American Power is kind of catchy.
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(12-09-2019 03:54 PM)TTT Wrote:  If the AAC is going to rename to the Big American Conference then I want CUSA to rename to the...


REAL AMERICAN CONFERENCE. And have this played before every game:




Oh man that brought back nice childhood memories. I think Hulk Hogan may have been the first to rock the Skull-mullet.
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