(12-12-2019 01:19 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:18 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  How come SMU did not do better than 23k?

Like UConn's failing basketball, its Tulsa's fault.

The Pony Tulsa game was at least 75% full.

(12-13-2019 10:25 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  High/Low and Average by "G5" Conference:

AAC UCF (43,788) / UConn (18,216) Ave 29,280

MWC Boise (32,070) / San Jose St (15,352) Ave 23,120
CUSA So Miss (24,765) / Charlotte (12,319) Ave 18,883
Sunbelt Appy St (23,806) / Ga Southern (13,964) Ave 18,253
MAC Toledo (20,399) / Northern IL (8,518) Ave 15,352

That quick look should be compelling evidence that the AAC is head and shoulders above the G4.

But a little more depth in case G4s in denial are lurking...
That high for mwc, Boise ata 32,070? Nice. That's THE ONLY G4 school with attendance that would crack the top half of the AAC. 1 of 48 in our top half. mwc average/median/the #6&7 teams...would be #10 in the AAC. Three mwc schools behind AAC's worst.
CUSA's best? would be #9 in the AAC. Six are worse than the AAC's lowest. Seven, half the conference, worse than the lowest of our 2020 conference makeup.
MAC's best would be #10 in the AAC, and every other MAC school has lower attendance than the lowest AAC.
SunBelt actually has three schools with better attendance than the worst of the AAC. App State would be good enough for #9 in the AAC.

(12-13-2019 09:33 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:17 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:55 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:15 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  In order:

1.)UCF 43,788
2.)Memphis 38,816
3.)Cincinnati 35,985
4.)East Carolina 33,134
5.)South Fla. 31,823
6.)Navy 31,970
]7.)Temple 29,460
8.)Houston 25,518
9.)SMU 23,633
10.)Tulane 20,271
11.)Tulsa 18,741
12.)UConn 18,216

Avg is 29,280

USFFan

That number will be going up after this week. The Army-Navy game usually draws 65K+ people.

Doesn't count - our figures every year are just NMCMS games.

Hmm, I didn't know that. I just assumed if you were the home team, regardless of where you played, it was counted as home attendance.

??? It was still 6 games. Isn't that how everybody counts attendance?

Edit: nm, I think I misunderstood the context.

(12-13-2019 03:15 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 09:33 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:17 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:55 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

That number will be going up after this week. The Army-Navy game usually draws 65K+ people.

Doesn't count - our figures every year are just NMCMS games.

Hmm, I didn't know that. I just assumed if you were the home team, regardless of where you played, it was counted as home attendance.

??? It was still 6 games. Isn't that how everybody counts attendance?

Those 2019 numbers: HC, ECU, AF, USF, Tulane, SMU at NMCMS.
You can pull the 2018, 2017, 2016 numbers here: http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance
2018 has Navy 5 home games, our 4 AAC games and Lehigh, not ND
2017 has Navy 6 home games -- actually counted the Military Bowl but not Army. The finished report explained that FAU was credited Boca Raton Bowl, Memphis was credited Liberty Bowl, and Miami was credited Orange Bowl also.
2016's six games included the CCG (sadly - pulled down our average by 2,000)

Although we alternate "home" colors and sidelines, Army is more purely a neutral site game - ticket allotment and gate are split evenly, contract with the venue and host city is signed by both West Point and Navy. You get some oddities - Baltimore in 16, we were in Away white, but due to proximity SID took on the "home" role of credentials etc and we did some other admin that usually swaps back and forth year by year. I believe Army might shoulder more for NY events, even in an odd-numbered "Navy home" year.

ND is a "home-and-home" between ND and Navy - we give them a visitor's guarantee but any contracts with host city and stadium are Navy alone, and Navy gets the gate, and they're now AAC inventory in even-numbered years. But they never count those. I'm not fussed about it - just fine having the $4M or so than a few more.

Looks like neutral-site games between conference treams are coutned in conference attendance if not a single team's.

You'd have to ask the NCAA why they set up the rules set like they did.

(12-13-2019 04:25 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 03:15 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 09:33 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:17 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:55 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  That number will be going up after this week. The Army-Navy game usually draws 65K+ people.

Doesn't count - our figures every year are just NMCMS games.

Hmm, I didn't know that. I just assumed if you were the home team, regardless of where you played, it was counted as home attendance.

??? It was still 6 games. Isn't that how everybody counts attendance?

Those 2019 numbers: HC, ECU, AF, USF, Tulane, SMU at NMCMS.
You can pull the 2018, 2017, 2016 numbers here: http://www.ncaa.org/championships/statis...attendance
2018 has Navy 5 home games, our 4 AAC games and Lehigh, not ND
2017 has Navy 6 home games -- actually counted the Military Bowl but not Army. The finished report explained that FAU was credited Boca Raton Bowl, Memphis was credited Liberty Bowl, and Miami was credited Orange Bowl also.
2016's six games included the CCG (sadly - pulled down our average by 2,000)

Although we alternate "home" colors and sidelines, Army is more purely a neutral site game - ticket allotment and gate are split evenly, contract with the venue and host city is signed by both West Point and Navy. You get some oddities - Baltimore in 16, we were in Away white, but due to proximity SID took on the "home" role of credentials etc and we did some other admin that usually swaps back and forth year by year. I believe Army might shoulder more for NY events, even in an odd-numbered "Navy home" year.

ND is a "home-and-home" between ND and Navy - we give them a visitor's guarantee but any contracts with host city and stadium are Navy alone, and Navy gets the gate, and they're now AAC inventory in even-numbered years. But they never count those. I'm not fussed about it - just fine having the $4M or so than a few more.

Looks like neutral-site games between conference treams are coutned in conference attendance if not a single team's.

You'd have to ask the NCAA why they set up the rules set like they did.

Good stuff, I appreciate the additional clarification. That certainly seems more complex than it needs to be. To me, if you're the "home" team, regardless if it is a neutral site game or alternate site game, that attendance should count as your home attendance.

(12-13-2019 11:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:10 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:39 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I'm amused we keep ranking these figures when most of them are totally fictitious numbers that exist only on paper.

Not fictional, but they aren't butts in the seat by any means.

Yea, yea. I know. They "distribute" tickets to anyone with a pulse and then claim those numbers for attendance.

Memphis has gone from counting tickets distributed in 2016 and before to scanned tickets at the stadium where only about 8 of 10 are scanned. There must be some formula in place where the university is being charged for city services based upon the attendance scanned. Nothing else makes sense to want an under - count.

I'm pretty sure we switched back to distributed at the beginning of the 2018 season after all the mishaps.

(12-13-2019 07:48 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 11:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:10 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:39 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I'm amused we keep ranking these figures when most of them are totally fictitious numbers that exist only on paper.

Not fictional, but they aren't butts in the seat by any means.

Yea, yea. I know. They "distribute" tickets to anyone with a pulse and then claim those numbers for attendance.

Memphis has gone from counting tickets distributed in 2016 and before to scanned tickets at the stadium where only about 8 of 10 are scanned. There must be some formula in place where the university is being charged for city services based upon the attendance scanned. Nothing else makes sense to want an under - count.

I'm pretty sure we switched back to distributed at the beginning of the 2018 season after all the mishaps.

I'm sorry, but you can't tell me there were any less than 40K at the final season game against Cincinnati. Something is wrong.

(12-14-2019 12:27 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 07:48 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 11:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:10 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Not fictional, but they aren't butts in the seat by any means.

Yea, yea. I know. They "distribute" tickets to anyone with a pulse and then claim those numbers for attendance.

Memphis has gone from counting tickets distributed in 2016 and before to scanned tickets at the stadium where only about 8 of 10 are scanned. There must be some formula in place where the university is being charged for city services based upon the attendance scanned. Nothing else makes sense to want an under - count.

I'm pretty sure we switched back to distributed at the beginning of the 2018 season after all the mishaps.

I'm sorry, but you can't tell me there were any less than 40K at the final season game against Cincinnati. Something is wrong.

^^THIS

I was there. There was at least 40K. You want to talk about the "eye test" like in NCAA Tourney selection.....anyone who watched that game on TV tell me that stadium was almost half empty......baloney.

I agree with ATLANTA........I think there is a formula that figures how much U of M owes the city of Memphis based on attendance. There is no other logical reason to why the school would be ok with the under-reporting of attendance. I think they are like "all that matters is the appearance on TV.......so what if the reported # on paper is low? We just saved $$$ from paying the city"

TM

(12-14-2019 07:38 AM)Tigermemphis Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 12:27 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 07:48 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 11:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:10 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Yea, yea. I know. They "distribute" tickets to anyone with a pulse and then claim those numbers for attendance.

Memphis has gone from counting tickets distributed in 2016 and before to scanned tickets at the stadium where only about 8 of 10 are scanned. There must be some formula in place where the university is being charged for city services based upon the attendance scanned. Nothing else makes sense to want an under - count.

I'm pretty sure we switched back to distributed at the beginning of the 2018 season after all the mishaps.

I'm sorry, but you can't tell me there were any less than 40K at the final season game against Cincinnati. Something is wrong.

^^THIS

I was there. There was at least 40K. You want to talk about the "eye test" like in NCAA Tourney selection.....anyone who watched that game on TV tell me that stadium was almost half empty......baloney.

I agree with ATLANTA........I think there is a formula that figures how much U of M owes the city of Memphis based on attendance. There is no other logical reason to why the school would be ok with the under-reporting of attendance. I think they are like "all that matters is the appearance on TV.......so what if the reported # on paper is low? We just saved $$$ from paying the city"

TM

As was I, and to boot, I asked on this forum if any Cincinnati fans that attended had an opinion about it. The only response I got was that yes, it was way more than 40K. More like 48K. I wouldn't go THAT far, but it was definitely no 36K bullsh!t.

(12-12-2019 01:15 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  In order:

1.)UCF 43,788
2.)Memphis 38,816
3.)Cincinnati 35,985
4.)East Carolina 33,134
5.)Navy 31,970
6.)South Fla. 31,823
7.)Temple 29,460
8.)Houston 25,518
9.)SMU 23,633
10.)Tulane 20,271
11.)Tulsa 18,741
12.)UConn 18,216

Avg is 29,280

About 31,000 average without UConn.😎

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I've given up on Memphis football attendance reporting. There's no consistency whatsoever, it's a joke.

A few years ago in 2015 we announced 30k+ attendance against SMU when there were clearly no more than 3k, at most, in attendance.

Now we announce 33k attendance for a 60k stadium that's at least 2/3 full.[/i]

Heupal has his work to do. To sell out next seasons ticket holders for an attendance record like this year.

(12-12-2019 02:10 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:39 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I'm amused we keep ranking these figures when most of them are totally fictitious numbers that exist only on paper.

Not fictional, but they aren't butts in the seat by any means.

Yea, yea. I know. They "distribute" tickets to anyone with a pulse and then claim those numbers for attendance.

Exactly, and tickets distributed means sold, discounted, given away, admittance for a toy, free for military, etc.

(12-15-2019 05:24 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:10 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:39 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I'm amused we keep ranking these figures when most of them are totally fictitious numbers that exist only on paper.

Not fictional, but they aren't butts in the seat by any means.

Yea, yea. I know. They "distribute" tickets to anyone with a pulse and then claim those numbers for attendance.

Exactly, and tickets distributed means sold, discounted, given away, admittance for a toy, free for military, etc.

Tickets distributed can depend on the Municipality controlling the facility. We've grossly under and over reported actual attendance consistently.

About the only actual attendance that is reported accurately are sellouts, which is obvious and self-evident for all to see.

A team that HOSTED the CUSA Championship Game in 2018 (MTSU) didn't even average 8,500 fans in actual attendance that season as the Championship Game drew an actual crowd of less than 6,000.

MTSU had an "announced" attendance average of 15,376 that season but their actual was just over half that.


MTSU fails to draw 10,000 fans to any football game in 2018 season
https://www.dnj.com/story/sports/college...134227002/

(12-15-2019 09:16 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(12-15-2019 05:24 PM)texoma Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 02:10 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:42 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 01:39 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  I'm amused we keep ranking these figures when most of them are totally fictitious numbers that exist only on paper.

Not fictional, but they aren't butts in the seat by any means.

Yea, yea. I know. They "distribute" tickets to anyone with a pulse and then claim those numbers for attendance.

Exactly, and tickets distributed means sold, discounted, given away, admittance for a toy, free for military, etc.

Tickets distributed can depend on the Municipality controlling the facility. We've grossly under and over reported actual attendance consistently.

About the only actual attendance that is reported accurately are sellouts, which is obvious and self-evident for all to see.

I can see that with Memphis games, but how many stadiums in the AAC are controlled by the municipality?

Also, some schools fabricate their stadium's capacity and report sellouts as their stadium's fabricated capacity, which is not accurate..

(12-13-2019 10:01 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 10:06 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(12-12-2019 09:14 AM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  Memphis 38,816
UCF 43,788
South Fla. 31,823
Cincinnati 35,985
Temple 29,460
East Carolina 33,134
Navy 31,970
SMU 23,633
Houston 25,518
Tulane 20,271
Tulsa 18,741
UConn 18,216

Avg is 29,280

4th place at 4-8. I'll take that. Gotta think we're near the top if we start turning in mediocre seasons.

ECU fans are admirably loyal in the face of adversity.

Thank you for that comment sir! That means more than you can realize.
God knows we fans are trying to do our part.