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(12-04-2019 10:38 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  
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(12-04-2019 09:22 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The bad thing about this game is the Dukes have to stew on it for 2 weeks. That was a dismantling that will be stuck in their minds until they can play again on Dec 16th

Well, if a change is going to happen during the season (probably not), now would be the time to do it with the break. Otherwise, nothing will happen until 3 months from now after the season.

Obviously Tony Shaver is available and would be a step up to handle things for the next 3 months— at least. I cannot watch much of this junk, but it does sound like talent is being wasted, and that is not fair for the players. Shaver saw them first hand at the ODU game when he was behind the bench.

Did anyone catch the postgame radio interview with Rowe? He was really down near the end of last season after bad losses, and I am wondering how he is doing.

Who cares? Even he knows he's gone. No point in even doing interviews.

It appears the CAA title is for the taking this year as it is up for grabs with no dominant team.

Imagine JMU and Tony Shaver taking on W&M in the finals in DC. That would be amazing. Shaver would love it. Am I dreaming?
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(12-04-2019 10:43 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:38 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:24 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 09:22 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The bad thing about this game is the Dukes have to stew on it for 2 weeks. That was a dismantling that will be stuck in their minds until they can play again on Dec 16th

Well, if a change is going to happen during the season (probably not), now would be the time to do it with the break. Otherwise, nothing will happen until 3 months from now after the season.

Obviously Tony Shaver is available and would be a step up to handle things for the next 3 months— at least. I cannot watch much of this junk, but it does sound like talent is being wasted, and that is not fair for the players. Shaver saw them first hand at the ODU game when he was behind the bench.

Did anyone catch the postgame radio interview with Rowe? He was really down near the end of last season after bad losses, and I am wondering how he is doing.

Who cares? Even he knows he's gone. No point in even doing interviews.

It appears the CAA title is for the taking this year as it is up for grabs with no dominant team.

Imagine JMU and Tony Shaver taking on W&M in the finals in DC. That would be amazing. Shaver would love it. Am I dreaming?

I thought Shaver did a good job at W&M and was surprised they let him go. He always seemed to outsmart our coaches though sometimes we had the upper hand athletically.
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(12-04-2019 10:47 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:43 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:38 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:24 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 09:22 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The bad thing about this game is the Dukes have to stew on it for 2 weeks. That was a dismantling that will be stuck in their minds until they can play again on Dec 16th

Well, if a change is going to happen during the season (probably not), now would be the time to do it with the break. Otherwise, nothing will happen until 3 months from now after the season.

Obviously Tony Shaver is available and would be a step up to handle things for the next 3 months— at least. I cannot watch much of this junk, but it does sound like talent is being wasted, and that is not fair for the players. Shaver saw them first hand at the ODU game when he was behind the bench.

Why was Shaver at the ODU game?























Did anyone catch the postgame radio interview with Rowe? He was really down near the end of last season after bad losses, and I am wondering how he is doing.

Who cares? Even he knows he's gone. No point in even doing interviews.

It appears the CAA title is for the taking this year as it is up for grabs with no dominant team.

Imagine JMU and Tony Shaver taking on W&M in the finals in DC. That would be amazing. Shaver would love it. Am I dreaming?

I thought Shaver did a good job at W&M and was surprised they let him go. He always seemed to outsmart our coaches though sometimes we had the upper hand athletically.
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Very disappointing result. Cannot give up 80+ points consistently and win consistently. This team does not need to play lock-down defense, just a little defense. Keep the opponent between 65-75.

At this rate I don't see how LR will be retained after this season.

I know right now, I don't plan on renewing my season tickets for 4x the $$$ in the new arena. I am 'ok' with the new price point if we are a competitive bball team, but not with what we have been for the last 20 years........i can just buy tickets to a 3-4 games a year and save money.
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This team's defense (or lack thereof I should say) is so pathetically bad, it deserves a name. Swiss Cheese defense is old and tired. Maybe the Bull Fighter Defense. Ole' as the bull runs past with ease to the glass for an uncontested layup.

I can deal with off nights shooting the ball. I can deal with opposing teams getting hot from outside the arc at 24 feet. But, I can't and won't tolerate guys not even trying to step in front of opposing players driving to the basket. Or, a head coach who doesn't jerk them out of the game immediately when he sees it happening.

It's a good time for a week off for all. I've tried to hang in there and support the program with interest, attendance, etc. But if we are going to play chicken schlitz defense and not have the gonads to step in front of a driving player to take a charge, then my attendance for starters is done...and interest waning. Pathetic. Just pathetic.
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I've always kind of thought that with effort and desire, you can play good defense. I understand it was a major focus is to open it up the offense and run up the points, but I don't think that means we have to abandon effort on the defensive end. Maybe just complete lack of court awareness, I'm curious what the film room reveals on this long break between games.

We have bodies....if the new pace is creating some defensive lapses due to being tired, bring those butts off the bench and keep the team fresh so we are competing on both ends of the court. And someone please learn how to put a butt on someone underneath for positioning on rebounds.
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Next practice or maybe even two should be held without any players touching basketballs. It should be 2 straight hours of guys taking charges and falling on the floor. Walk out banged up and bruised if needed. Very physical. Work on the fundamentals of defense. If guys don't want to do it, then they can find the end of the bench or leave the program. After a practice or two of that, they'll get the message about playing defense with pride. Unfortunately, I bet we work on a weave 30-35 feet from the basket. Defending starts with pride and guts. And follows through with fundamentals. I really don't think this team wants to play defense. A recipe for disaster if not fixed/improved.
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One more thing...

...tip of the cap to Radford last night. They must've noticed on film that JMU doesn't want to defend guys driving to the basket. It was very obvious from the opening tip. The game plan was essentially drive to the glass and JMU will back off on your journey. When you see a team that doesn't want to defend, no need in jacking up 3's as they'll just stand and watch you score at the rim.

Then...

...when we moved to a zone, they carved it up like last week's Thanksgiving turkey. Well prepared. Well executed. No answers by JMU. Radford can only be disappointed they didn't score 110.
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(12-05-2019 08:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I really don't think this team wants to play defense. A recipe for disaster if not fixed/improved.

Agreed. This team wants to run and gun and throw up rainbow threes.

They think they’re the second coming of the LA Lakers. They’re all Michael Jordans and Kobe Bryants and Currys. Not a single defender in the group.

They don’t know how to pass and share the ball, and they sure don’t want to play D, nor has anyone taught them how to play D. Perhaps the coaches don’t know how to coach D. But don’t they look nice in their uniforms?

Could we borrow Coach Pop from the SA Spurs for the rest of the season?
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(12-05-2019 09:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I really don't think this team wants to play defense. A recipe for disaster if not fixed/improved.

Agreed. This team wants to run and gun and throw up rainbow threes.

On the bright side, I'm going to make a killing wagering on the OVER in JMU games this season.

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(12-04-2019 10:42 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Don't get mad at Lou Rowe. Lou was given a HC chance and took it. We would have done the same.

If you are mad about 20 plus years of declining JMU basketball (long before Lou came along) call Charlie King, the guy behind the purple curtain that runs the entire school including athletics.

King is the AD and the president of JMU.

I don't think anyone is angry at Rowe. They are just saying he's not a good coach and needs to be fired.
I has admitted that he was learning on the job. The issue I have is that his alma mater asked him to be their head coach and he thought he was good enough to do it. I do wish he would step down, but I don't see that happening. I think he believes they are getting better and he deserves to stay.
He has said the way he is building this team is not the "easy way", but the "right way". I'm not sure I would call it that.
There is no doubt the talent has improved. That isn't the issue anymore. The issue is THE issue.... coaching. He hasn't improved. He apparently brought in some very good assistants but I don't see anything to indicate there has been any change there. I thought Oppenheimer was going to bring some offensive flow to the team. Instead I see the same bad tendencies we've seen for years.
The common denominator is Rowe. Aside from recruiting, what has Rowe done to deserve another year. The answer is simple. He's done nothing. He needs to go.
But he won't go. The admin is going to keep him through the season, the team will do just enough for the admin to say they weren't bad enough for Rowe to be fired and we'll be going through this again next year and the year after that. I just have no faith in this admin to do the right thing when it comes to MBB.
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(12-05-2019 09:38 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:42 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Don't get mad at Lou Rowe. Lou was given a HC chance and took it. We would have done the same.

If you are mad about 20 plus years of declining JMU basketball (long before Lou came along) call Charlie King, the guy behind the purple curtain that runs the entire school including athletics.

King is the AD and the president of JMU.

I don't think anyone is angry at Rowe. They are just saying he's not a good coach and needs to be fired.
I has admitted that he was learning on the job. The issue I have is that his alma mater asked him to be their head coach and he thought he was good enough to do it. I do wish he would step down, but I don't see that happening. I think he believes they are getting better and he deserves to stay.
He has said the way he is building this team is not the "easy way", but the "right way". I'm not sure I would call it that.
There is no doubt the talent has improved. That isn't the issue anymore. The issue is THE issue.... coaching. He hasn't improved. He apparently brought in some very good assistants but I don't see anything to indicate there has been any change there. I thought Oppenheimer was going to bring some offensive flow to the team. Instead I see the same bad tendencies we've seen for years.
The common denominator is Rowe. Aside from recruiting, what has Rowe done to deserve another year. The answer is simple. He's done nothing. He needs to go.
But he won't go. The admin is going to keep him through the season, the team will do just enough for the admin to say they weren't bad enough for Rowe to be fired and we'll be going through this again next year and the year after that. I just have no faith in this admin to do the right thing when it comes to MBB.

Nothing should be done mid-season, barring some sort of scandel which there is not.

I am not happy how things are right now either, but a mid-season move is not the answer either.

Maybe they find some consistency and defense.....right now I don't really have much hope in that but let it play out this season.
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(12-04-2019 10:18 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In all honesty, I wonder who is actually shocked by these results. Asking for a friend, but is it too late to return the money spent on the basketball arena for another side of the football stadium?
Yes.

(12-04-2019 10:43 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  Imagine JMU and Tony Shaver taking on W&M in the finals in DC. That would be amazing. Shaver would love it. Am I dreaming?
Yes.

(12-04-2019 10:24 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  Well, if a change is going to happen during the season (probably not), now would be the time to do it with the break. Otherwise, nothing will happen until 3 months from now after the season.
99% confident LR will coach the full season, which I think is fair. I can't recall a time where JMU parted ways with a coach mid-season. Jeff Bourne will meet with Lou the day after the last game of the season, as he always does with his coaches, and evaluate the state of the program. I would argue the LR has met every expectation set forth of him except for the one that matters most - winning. He has run a very clean program, none of his staff or athletes has had any bad press (outside of the game), no academic issues that we know of, the players seem to genuinely bond with one another and the staff - all in all the culture he's brought seems great, but the fan culture has to be at an all-time low. Attendance is abysmal. The W-L record isn't where it needs to be. The writing is on the wall IMHO.

I also don't think JMU gains anything by parting ways with Lou before the CAA Tourney. They can't hire a coach mid-season (any coach worth his weight is in-season at the moment unless Cent is willing to step in), and naming someone on the staff as an interim-HC is the same as letting Lou doing it (we have to pay the man anyway).
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(12-05-2019 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:18 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In all honesty, I wonder who is actually shocked by these results. Asking for a friend, but is it too late to return the money spent on the basketball arena for another side of the football stadium?
Yes.

(12-04-2019 10:43 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  Imagine JMU and Tony Shaver taking on W&M in the finals in DC. That would be amazing. Shaver would love it. Am I dreaming?
Yes.

(12-04-2019 10:24 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  Well, if a change is going to happen during the season (probably not), now would be the time to do it with the break. Otherwise, nothing will happen until 3 months from now after the season.
99% confident LR will coach the full season, which I think is fair. I can't recall a time where JMU parted ways with a coach mid-season. Jeff Bourne will meet with Lou the day after the last game of the season, as he always does with his coaches, and evaluate the state of the program. I would argue the LR has met every expectation set forth of him except for the one that matters most - winning. He has run a very clean program, none of his staff or athletes has had any bad press (outside of the game), no academic issues that we know of, the players seem to genuinely bond with one another and the staff - all in all the culture he's brought seems great, but the fan culture has to be at an all-time low. Attendance is abysmal. The W-L record isn't where it needs to be. The writing is on the wall IMHO.

I also don't think JMU gains anything by parting ways with Lou before the CAA Tourney. They can't hire a coach mid-season (any coach worth his weight is in-season at the moment unless Cent is willing to step in), and naming someone on the staff as an interim-HC is the same as letting Lou doing it (we have to pay the man anyway).

I don't know if any JMU coach has been fired mid season and I don't think it changes this year. Rowe has said that CAA schedule is the most important part of the schedule and the OOC prepares them for the CAA. While I think Rowe should go, I think the admin would at the least allow him to finish the season.
When Bourne fired Brady he had a list of things they wanted from a new coach. I agree that he has filled some of the criteria, like no academic issues. I disagree that he has "met every expectation" though. One of those was involving the community. Has he been doing that? I don't see much there. Another was exciting the fan base. He definitely hasn't done that and in fact has made it worse. Obviously he's not winning and that is incredibly important.
This year was extremely important. They needed a good year to boost excitement into the new arena. Instead excitement seems to be at one of the lowest points in history.
Personally I was incredibly excited about next year and was planning on buying a ticket to the first game there. But I am not excited about this team and the results and have been questioning whether I should or not (leaning towards not). I cannot be the only one that feels this way. I'm a hardcore JMU fan but MBB continues to drain me and I find it harder and harder to be excited about MBB and support them.
If Rowe is back next year, I don't think I would be shocked if the first game ever wasn't close to a sell out. And if it is, I don't think it would take more than a few weeks for support to go back to what it is now. I see it as a blown opportunity.
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(12-04-2019 10:18 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:05 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Im more surprised that people get shocked anymore about this team than anything else.
This is JMU basketball, folks. This is it. We will win sometimes and the other times will consist of head scratching losses and awful coaching. This is what it has been for years. The only difference is that the players are more athletic. And there were so many of you that really felt like THAT was the answer. Talent can only do so much when the coaching is this bad.
Coaching can elevate talent. Talent cannot elevate coaching.
This is JMU basketball and it will NEVER change under Rowe.

In all honesty, I wonder who is actually shocked by these results. Asking for a friend, but is it too late to return the money spent on the basketball arena for another side of the football stadium?


I got a timely note from a friend not to bother rushing back to watch the rest of this mess, just shook my head and continued with what I was doing.

Shocked? Lol, hardly. Disgusted? Perhaps, but only if I still really gave a schit.

As to the prior comment that this may be as bad as the Coppin st debacle?

Far worse. 99.4% of our folks couldn’t put a Coppin st on a map and likely never heard of them.

Radford? We all know people who went there, had a relative there or friends kids who go there. They were and still should be a complete afterthought.

How did we go from playing the likes of UNLV, Carolina, Florida to now losing games to a Radford and madly scanning the upcoming schedule just hoping we don’t have to face Longboard at any time this season?

This was “the year”. Yea, mmmmkay.
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(12-05-2019 08:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Next practice or maybe even two should be held without any players touching basketballs. It should be 2 straight hours of guys taking charges and falling on the floor. Walk out banged up and bruised if needed. Very physical. Work on the fundamentals of defense. If guys don't want to do it, then they can find the end of the bench or leave the program. After a practice or two of that, they'll get the message about playing defense with pride. Unfortunately, I bet we work on a weave 30-35 feet from the basket. Defending starts with pride and guts. And follows through with fundamentals. I really don't think this team wants to play defense. A recipe for disaster if not fixed/improved.

This. Defense is a mentality that comes from the coaches. My HS team wouldn't pick up a ball for the first 2 practices and wouldn't shoot a ball for the first three or four. We would work exclusively on defensive conditioning and drills. Once we picked up basketballs it would be about defense and we would do charge drills where you were expected to essentially get run over and scramble drills where you were diving for balls.

My HS coach who is in the NJ hall of fame tracked every stat and we had a list of statistical goals for each game (maybe 20 or so) and many of the them were defense related (pts. allowed, steals, charges, fg %). It was drilled into us that there are days where our shots may not be falling, but there is one constant and that is defensive intensity never has an off day. Sure there are times where you play great defense and the other team hits a lot of tough shots, but those games are few and far between.
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(12-05-2019 09:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I really don't think this team wants to play defense. A recipe for disaster if not fixed/improved.

Could we borrow Coach Pop from the SA Spurs for the rest of the season?

The pressers would be mustseetv... especially the first few games before any real coaching took hold.
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(12-04-2019 10:42 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Don't get mad at Lou Rowe. Lou was given a HC chance and took it. We would have done the same.

If you are mad about 20 plus years of declining JMU basketball (long before Lou came along) call Charlie King, the guy behind the purple curtain that runs the entire school including athletics.

King is the AD and the president of JMU.

THIS! As fans we should support the team the best we can, it's the only thing we have any control over. Coach Rowe knows where he and his team stands. I believe most of us agree that the players are not the problem, work their tails off every day. While at JMU, they have no say in coaches and/or their decisions.

I don't think there are any secretes regarding who the puppet master of the athletics show. It's the BOV that allows Alger, King, Bourne to conduct business the way they do.
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(12-05-2019 09:43 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 10:18 PM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In all honesty, I wonder who is actually shocked by these results. Asking for a friend, but is it too late to return the money spent on the basketball arena for another side of the football stadium?
Yes.

(12-04-2019 10:43 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  Imagine JMU and Tony Shaver taking on W&M in the finals in DC. That would be amazing. Shaver would love it. Am I dreaming?
Yes.

(12-04-2019 10:24 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  Well, if a change is going to happen during the season (probably not), now would be the time to do it with the break. Otherwise, nothing will happen until 3 months from now after the season.
99% confident LR will coach the full season, which I think is fair. I can't recall a time where JMU parted ways with a coach mid-season. Jeff Bourne will meet with Lou the day after the last game of the season, as he always does with his coaches, and evaluate the state of the program. I would argue the LR has met every expectation set forth of him except for the one that matters most - winning. He has run a very clean program, none of his staff or athletes has had any bad press (outside of the game), no academic issues that we know of, the players seem to genuinely bond with one another and the staff - all in all the culture he's brought seems great, but the fan culture has to be at an all-time low. Attendance is abysmal. The W-L record isn't where it needs to be. The writing is on the wall IMHO.

I also don't think JMU gains anything by parting ways with Lou before the CAA Tourney. They can't hire a coach mid-season (any coach worth his weight is in-season at the moment unless Cent is willing to step in), and naming someone on the staff as an interim-HC is the same as letting Lou doing it (we have to pay the man anyway).

I agree it's foolish to fire a coach mid-season unless there is a strong assistant that is capable of a reasonable resurrection. However with the current transfer system/rules does JMU risk losing players? Unlike Brady, I understand the players like Coach Rowe and work hard for him, the culture at JMU was likely a decision to get their education here but competitive athletes don't work their butts off every day to struggle as a team.
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RE: Dukes MBB travel to Radford (Wed., 7pm, ESPN+)
A couple observations from the game.

Regardless of the 2-5 record, Radford, is much better than what most people are wiling to believe. Except for UVA and maybe Mason, Currently they are the best team we've seen so far. Will be interesting to see if they continue to improve as the season progresses.
Notice how much motion from all 5 Radford players had. They never stand still, even the C/PF had their feet moving.
Radford players love playing good defense. The good defense was setting up their offense.
Radford plays excellent inside-out; drive...nothing there...kick out....pass...pass...quality shot. Even the best defensive teams can't defend that when it's executed well.
When we made adjustments, Radford responded immediately and didn't even need to wait or call a TO.
They had a very nice crowd. Even with a "bad" record their fans came out to support a team that is fun to watch.
12-05-2019 01:17 PM
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