(12-03-2019 11:10 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  Judging by current affairs, I’d say Louisville was a basketball answer to a football problem.

Louisville has been in the ACC for six seasons. In league play over that timeframe, how many ACC programs outside of Clemson have at least four winning seasons and only one sub .500 year (Cards were also .500 in 2017)? Anyone outside of Louisville?

2018 was a winless train wreck, but not many others (if anyone besides the Tigers) has four winning years with a lone sub-.500 year. Louisville hasn’t been the ACC’s primary football problem since joining in 2014.

Louisville has done more to advance ACC football in their six years than UNC has done in 40.

(12-04-2019 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN has promoted the SEC as "the" football conference shamelessly . Who is to say that they aren't trying to create a basketball version of the SEC with the Atlantic Coast Conference? After all, they have to capture college sports audiences on a year 'round basis, and if the baseball schedule can be pushed back a month or so......
The SEC and ACC already dominate collegiate baseball.
ESPN is in the business of making money, their year doesn't just run from Labor Day through Thanksgiving weekend.

So how much of that money is ESPN going to pay the ACC to become this basketball behemoth, in your estimation? If it's little more than what the league is currently making - NO THANKS!

(12-04-2019 08:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:10 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  Judging by current affairs, I’d say Louisville was a basketball answer to a football problem.

Louisville has been in the ACC for six seasons. In league play over that timeframe, how many ACC programs outside of Clemson have at least four winning seasons and only one sub .500 year (Cards were also .500 in 2017)? Anyone outside of Louisville?

2018 was a winless train wreck, but not many others (if anyone besides the Tigers) has four winning years with a lone sub-.500 year. Louisville hasn’t been the ACC’s primary football problem since joining in 2014.

Louisville has done more to advance ACC football in their six years than UNC has done in 40.

Advance it how? They had a hotshot QB then tanked.

There would be no ACC football without Carolina for any number of reasons.

(12-04-2019 11:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:10 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  Judging by current affairs, I’d say Louisville was a basketball answer to a football problem.

Louisville has been in the ACC for six seasons. In league play over that timeframe, how many ACC programs outside of Clemson have at least four winning seasons and only one sub .500 year (Cards were also .500 in 2017)? Anyone outside of Louisville?

2018 was a winless train wreck, but not many others (if anyone besides the Tigers) has four winning years with a lone sub-.500 year. Louisville hasn’t been the ACC’s primary football problem since joining in 2014.

Louisville has done more to advance ACC football in their six years than UNC has done in 40.

Advance it how? They had a hotshot QB then tanked.

There would be no ACC football without Carolina for any number of reasons.

Heisman Trophy vs 40 years of mediocre at best (and that's being generous) football?

Three College GameDay appearances as an ACC member vs two?

And please enlighten us on how UNC is the lynch-pin of ACC football. I love fairytales.

Well, had UNC left for the Big Ten honeypot, you’d be watching your Tigers play a conference game in Ames, Iowa.

(12-04-2019 03:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Well, had UNC left for the Big Ten honeypot, you’d be watching your Tigers play a conference game in Ames, Iowa.

At least we would be able to tailgate, unlike in Crapple Hell.

And the past few years it would have been a premiere matchup. Unlike playing UNC.


Plus we'd get to go to Austin and Norman instead of Raleigh and Syracuse.

(12-04-2019 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 03:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Well, had UNC left for the Big Ten honeypot, you’d be watching your Tigers play a conference game in Ames, Iowa.

At least we would be able to tailgate, unlike in Crapple Hell.

And the past few years it would have been a premiere matchup. Unlike playing UNC.


Plus we'd get to go to Austin and Norman instead of Raleigh and Syracuse.

Remember when Clemson almost lost to the team predicted to finish dead last in the ACC?

How’s that for commitment? ...and we ain’t even cheatin’ yet!!

(12-04-2019 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 11:28 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:41 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:10 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  Judging by current affairs, I’d say Louisville was a basketball answer to a football problem.

Louisville has been in the ACC for six seasons. In league play over that timeframe, how many ACC programs outside of Clemson have at least four winning seasons and only one sub .500 year (Cards were also .500 in 2017)? Anyone outside of Louisville?

2018 was a winless train wreck, but not many others (if anyone besides the Tigers) has four winning years with a lone sub-.500 year. Louisville hasn’t been the ACC’s primary football problem since joining in 2014.

Louisville has done more to advance ACC football in their six years than UNC has done in 40.

Advance it how? They had a hotshot QB then tanked.

There would be no ACC football without Carolina for any number of reasons.

Heisman Trophy vs 40 years of mediocre at best (and that's being generous) football?

Three College GameDay appearances as an ACC member vs two?

And please enlighten us on how UNC is the lynch-pin of ACC football. I love fairytales.

To add to the debate, Louisville is 1 of only 2 schools in the history of the ACC to go from 0 conference wins to 5 the next season. GT is the other. Louisville had 1 bad season & finished in the upper half of the Atlantic the other 5 seasons.


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(12-04-2019 04:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 03:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 03:04 PM)esayem Wrote:  Well, had UNC left for the Big Ten honeypot, you’d be watching your Tigers play a conference game in Ames, Iowa.

At least we would be able to tailgate, unlike in Crapple Hell.

And the past few years it would have been a premiere matchup. Unlike playing UNC.


Plus we'd get to go to Austin and Norman instead of Raleigh and Syracuse.

Remember when Clemson almost lost to the team predicted to finish dead last in the ACC?

How’s that for commitment? ...and we ain’t even cheatin’ yet!!

Remember when UNC fell short yet again trying to beat Clemson in football? Moral victories still end up in the loss column.


And I feel sure you are cheating. It’s UNC athletics, it’s what you do.

(12-03-2019 09:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 05:21 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Surprised this hasn’t happened. It’s typical ACC logic....
A basketball answer to a football problem.

Judging by current affairs, I’d say Louisville was a basketball answer to a football problem.

No argument here....lol
How Tom Jurich was able to sell The ACC that Louisville was all about football is one of the great mysteries. Still remember reading UCONN fans complaining about The ACC buying it. Louisville will get back in football but it may take a season or two.

Louisville's endowment is triple UConn's and UConn's would have been $300,000,000 behind FSU's back in 2012. Your overall endowment is an indication of the money you can lay your hands on and that you might be able to spend if you so desire. Buried between Ivy League schools UConn is poor as a church mouse by comparison to the average ACC school. Cincy is on a financial par with the lower middle of the ACC from an overall money standpoint.

Fit is not just athletic fit - it's social and academic and financial.

(12-04-2019 04:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Remember when UNC fell short yet again trying to beat Clemson in football? Moral victories still end up in the loss column.


And I feel sure you are cheating. It’s UNC athletics, it’s what you do.

Oh, I’ll take the moral victory!

Recruiting is looking solid, so we’ll see ya next year perhaps.

(12-04-2019 10:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN has promoted the SEC as "the" football conference shamelessly . Who is to say that they aren't trying to create a basketball version of the SEC with the Atlantic Coast Conference? After all, they have to capture college sports audiences on a year 'round basis, and if the baseball schedule can be pushed back a month or so......
The SEC and ACC already dominate collegiate baseball.
ESPN is in the business of making money, their year doesn't just run from Labor Day through Thanksgiving weekend.

So how much of that money is ESPN going to pay the ACC to become this basketball behemoth, in your estimation? If it's little more than what the league is currently making - NO THANKS!

Mark, you may not have another option.
You can ***** and moan about money all you want, but if someone is unwilling to pay........you make do with what you've got, try to improve your product and work out a plan to get paid more in the future. What you can't do is hold your breath until you start to turn blue in hopes that ESPN will cave.
I don't think the AAC likes being paid less than the ACC, do you? Obviously you don't like the ACC being paid less than the SEC, and if you have a plan to rectify that situation, I'm sure Swofford would love to hear from you.

(12-05-2019 08:13 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN has promoted the SEC as "the" football conference shamelessly . Who is to say that they aren't trying to create a basketball version of the SEC with the Atlantic Coast Conference? After all, they have to capture college sports audiences on a year 'round basis, and if the baseball schedule can be pushed back a month or so......
The SEC and ACC already dominate collegiate baseball.
ESPN is in the business of making money, their year doesn't just run from Labor Day through Thanksgiving weekend.

So how much of that money is ESPN going to pay the ACC to become this basketball behemoth, in your estimation? If it's little more than what the league is currently making - NO THANKS!

Mark, you may not have another option.
You can ***** and moan about money all you want, but if someone is unwilling to pay........you make do with what you've got, try to improve your product and work out a plan to get paid more in the future. What you can't do is hold your breath until you start to turn blue in hopes that ESPN will cave.
I don't think the AAC likes being paid less than the ACC, do you? Obviously you don't like the ACC being paid less than the SEC, and if you have a plan to rectify that situation, I'm sure Swofford would love to hear from you.

It may surprise you to learn that I HAVE submitted some suggestions to the ACC office - and they have replied back to me at times. No doubt the ACC painted itself into a bit of a corner because of the bad 2010 TV contract (the gift that just keeps on giving!), but that doesn't mean there's NOTHING that can be done... however, trading Miami for Kentucky is not the right approach at all! (If you think building a great basketball league at the expense of football will pay off, I suggest you talk to John Marinatto, former Big East commissioner).

(12-04-2019 08:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Remember when UNC fell short yet again trying to beat Clemson in football? Moral victories still end up in the loss column.


And I feel sure you are cheating. It’s UNC athletics, it’s what you do.

Oh, I’ll take the moral victory!

You should be used to it after only winning 19 out of 58 games.

Quote:Recruiting is looking solid, so we’ll see ya next year perhaps.

Doubtful, but who knows. Just try not to embarrass the conference too much against UCF and Auburn.

(12-05-2019 11:30 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 08:13 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN has promoted the SEC as "the" football conference shamelessly . Who is to say that they aren't trying to create a basketball version of the SEC with the Atlantic Coast Conference? After all, they have to capture college sports audiences on a year 'round basis, and if the baseball schedule can be pushed back a month or so......
The SEC and ACC already dominate collegiate baseball.
ESPN is in the business of making money, their year doesn't just run from Labor Day through Thanksgiving weekend.

So how much of that money is ESPN going to pay the ACC to become this basketball behemoth, in your estimation? If it's little more than what the league is currently making - NO THANKS!

Mark, you may not have another option.
You can ***** and moan about money all you want, but if someone is unwilling to pay........you make do with what you've got, try to improve your product and work out a plan to get paid more in the future. What you can't do is hold your breath until you start to turn blue in hopes that ESPN will cave.
I don't think the AAC likes being paid less than the ACC, do you? Obviously you don't like the ACC being paid less than the SEC, and if you have a plan to rectify that situation, I'm sure Swofford would love to hear from you.

It may surprise you to learn that I HAVE submitted some suggestions to the ACC office - and they have replied back to me at times. No doubt the ACC painted itself into a bit of a corner because of the bad 2010 TV contract (the gift that just keeps on giving!), but that doesn't mean there's NOTHING that can be done... however, trading Miami for Kentucky is not the right approach at all! (If you think building a great basketball league at the expense of football will pay off, I suggest you talk to John Marinatto, former Big East commissioner).

That issue you'll have to take up with the CBS writer who made the sugestion.

(12-05-2019 12:33 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 11:30 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 08:13 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:12 AM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN has promoted the SEC as "the" football conference shamelessly . Who is to say that they aren't trying to create a basketball version of the SEC with the Atlantic Coast Conference? After all, they have to capture college sports audiences on a year 'round basis, and if the baseball schedule can be pushed back a month or so......
The SEC and ACC already dominate collegiate baseball.
ESPN is in the business of making money, their year doesn't just run from Labor Day through Thanksgiving weekend.

So how much of that money is ESPN going to pay the ACC to become this basketball behemoth, in your estimation? If it's little more than what the league is currently making - NO THANKS!

Mark, you may not have another option.
You can ***** and moan about money all you want, but if someone is unwilling to pay........you make do with what you've got, try to improve your product and work out a plan to get paid more in the future. What you can't do is hold your breath until you start to turn blue in hopes that ESPN will cave.
I don't think the AAC likes being paid less than the ACC, do you? Obviously you don't like the ACC being paid less than the SEC, and if you have a plan to rectify that situation, I'm sure Swofford would love to hear from you.

It may surprise you to learn that I HAVE submitted some suggestions to the ACC office - and they have replied back to me at times. No doubt the ACC painted itself into a bit of a corner because of the bad 2010 TV contract (the gift that just keeps on giving!), but that doesn't mean there's NOTHING that can be done... however, trading Miami for Kentucky is not the right approach at all! (If you think building a great basketball league at the expense of football will pay off, I suggest you talk to John Marinatto, former Big East commissioner).

That issue you'll have to take up with the CBS writer who made the sugestion.

Hmmm... not a bad idea, X!

When you have schools who have fan bases and faculty and staff who are not behind doing what is needed for championship football, you will not have championship football.

To have championship football your faculty and staff have to be forgiving and supportive of the kids in school that in reality should be in junior college.

(12-05-2019 11:54 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Remember when UNC fell short yet again trying to beat Clemson in football? Moral victories still end up in the loss column.


And I feel sure you are cheating. It’s UNC athletics, it’s what you do.

Oh, I’ll take the moral victory!

You should be used to it after only winning 19 out of 58 games.

Quote:Recruiting is looking solid, so we’ll see ya next year perhaps.

Doubtful, but who knows. Just try not to embarrass the conference too much against UCF and Auburn.

Will do cap’n. I’ll text Mack my best plays.

(12-05-2019 10:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 11:54 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Remember when UNC fell short yet again trying to beat Clemson in football? Moral victories still end up in the loss column.


And I feel sure you are cheating. It’s UNC athletics, it’s what you do.

Oh, I’ll take the moral victory!

You should be used to it after only winning 19 out of 58 games.

Quote:Recruiting is looking solid, so we’ll see ya next year perhaps.

Doubtful, but who knows. Just try not to embarrass the conference too much against UCF and Auburn.

Will do cap’n. I’ll text Mack my best plays.

Great idea! Make sure you do that the week of the Virginia Tech game!

(12-05-2019 10:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 10:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-05-2019 11:54 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:20 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 04:14 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Remember when UNC fell short yet again trying to beat Clemson in football? Moral victories still end up in the loss column.


And I feel sure you are cheating. It’s UNC athletics, it’s what you do.

Oh, I’ll take the moral victory!

You should be used to it after only winning 19 out of 58 games.

Quote:Recruiting is looking solid, so we’ll see ya next year perhaps.

Doubtful, but who knows. Just try not to embarrass the conference too much against UCF and Auburn.

Will do cap’n. I’ll text Mack my best plays.

Great idea! Make sure you do that the week of the Virginia Tech game!

Coastal title may be on the line.

Should you be drinking coffee this late?