Tom Dooley will hang down his head and figure it out..

(12-04-2019 09:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Tom Dooley will hang down his head and figure it out..

You would think at some point the guy would. He didn't suck this bad here his first stint, and then he averaged 20 something wins every year and took 2 teams to the NCAA and 2 to the NIT in 5 years as head coach at FGCU. It's not like he was some unknown getting on the job training, or even unknown to the challenges at ECU. If you just look at the past two years though he's probably been the worst coach in America retlative the pay, results and the tools he was left. Hell Lebo basically left him Gardner and LeDay and he's put very little around them or even helped max their talent.

(12-04-2019 08:43 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  Fire your coach, ECU. All offseason we heard all these stats about these amazing juco players. Losing to the teams you have lost to is insanely terrible.


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Wish we could. Can't afford to. Flat out broke from horrible mismanagement from Compher and football being in the tank now for 4 straight years. There's talk we could be looking at a 10-12 million dollar budget deficit next year. If football doesn't fix itself soon you may not have to worry about kicking us out because we might just go bankrupt.

Jeff Compher's reign will have a negative effect on ECU for a long time.

We NEED Mike Houston to start winning next year.
We NEED basketball to stop being a total embarrassment.

(12-04-2019 09:20 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:12 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Tom Dooley will hang down his head and figure it out..

You would think at some point the guy would. He didn't suck this bad here his first stint, and then he averaged 20 something wins every year and took 2 teams to the NCAA and 2 to the NIT in 5 years as head coach at FGCU. It's not like he was some unknown getting on the job training, or even unknown to the challenges at ECU. If you just look at the past two years though he's probably been the worst coach in America retlative the pay, results and the tools he was left. Hell Lebo basically left him Gardner and LeDay and he's put very little around them or even helped max their talent.

Yeah the level of suck has been staggering. There's nothing in his resume or in the resume of the assistants he's brought in that would lead you to believe this was gonna be Ricky Stokes 2.0, yet here we are. Ricky Stokes you could look at his record at VT and be like "yeah this has all the makings of a failure" but this certainly didn't. I've never been on the "it can't be done here no one can win at ECU" but maybe it's time to consider the possibility that it's true.

(12-04-2019 09:27 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Jeff Compher's reign will have a negative effect on ECU for a long time.

We NEED Mike Houston to start winning next year.
We NEED basketball to stop being a total embarrassment.

Houston and company picked a real bad time to play horrible against Tulsa. A representative performance/a win and you could have had a lot of excitement about how we ended the year and how much we improved. Instead getting beat by 25 at home to a 3-8 team (and it wasn't even as close as that score was) erases any of the positive feelings. Poor Gilbert has gotta find a way to raise money and get us out of this hole, but there's little he can do until football starts winning.

(12-04-2019 09:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:43 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  Fire your coach, ECU. All offseason we heard all these stats about these amazing juco players. Losing to the teams you have lost to is insanely terrible.


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Wish we could. Can't afford to. Flat out broke from horrible mismanagement from Compher and football being in the tank now for 4 straight years. There's talk we could be looking at a 10-12 million dollar budget deficit next year. If football doesn't fix itself soon you may not have to worry about kicking us out because we might just go bankrupt.

There are people talking about Dooley getting 4 years. Honestly at this point he should have until the end of January to show signs of life and if not we should make him go away John Thompson/ Ricky Stokes style after 2 years. It's been that bad.

Honestly is a bad situation for all. Not that we could go pay another coach but who would even come here after we only gave Dooley 2 years. The coaching community knows he was a winning coach and had coaching options and it looks bad on the surface if we destroy his career, but he's the one that has done that to himself, the tools and pay have been there to be successful. We nearly tripled his salary from FGCU and have been fair to the guy.

Other coaches wouldn't dig down and see how he squandered Leday, how he put a 50% shooter on the line to close a game etc or many of the ridiculous rotations that has cost us tangible games, that has just been unexplainable. We almost need to get drilled so bad he just walks away from the job like Lebo and leaves money on the table.

He sounded defeated as I have ever heard a coach last night. I actually felt sad for the guy. Jeff Charles was walking him through the interview and he just sounded shell shocked in a fog.

(12-04-2019 08:24 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  Ecu is a lesson for the AAC
Recruiting on size alone is dumb.. measurables only mean so much
If you aren't recruiting a major juco ... Don't
Juco stats are an indication of capabilities.. for the AAC 16pts+ In juco is the minimum you should be recruiting

Tremont Robinson will get better, but even when he does he likely won't live up to the hype... With that said every single juco they recruited was a flop .. and that is wild as they recruited 7 of them

I don’t think Pig Jackson’s gonna end up being a flop, but you’re mostly correct.

Dooley backed himself into a corner when he got rid of so many players because of a “lack of talent”. He went after some more major JUCOs and they fell through. He got so caught up in the fact that we had trouble rebounding that they looked in every dumpster for tall players.

Shawn Williams was iffy sometimes, but he could score 20 on a given night. KJ Davis wasn’t always on top of his game, but he could get you 15. Spas was more solid than he ever got credit for.

Spas was deplorable. Just because Dooley failed in what he attempted to do doesn't mean the talent on last years team wasn't absolutely dreadful. Tulane did something pretty similar to this, added something like 9-10 new players and are insanely improved. USF last year added something like 9-10 new players to their roster and went from terrible to pretty good. Dooley just failed. He thought he was gonna get guys like Wade who ended up at WSU, Jolly who ended up at SMU, Sy who ended up at Ole Miss etc. When those didn't materialize he didn't have viable backup plans and just went with guys who look the part but clearly can't play. All those guys would have been obvious upgrades, but once he missed he should have just kept guys like Williams, Davis, Foster, and Rico Quinton.

Jucos are good fillers, they should not be your entire recruiting strategy. 1 or 2 to help balance classes is all that is needed. You mention 1 player on each of the 3 teams. That's the key ONE player on each team. WSU is currently only relying on 2 JUCOs (Wade and Echenique). Even with that, Wade had a year of D1 in his freshman year.

(12-04-2019 09:38 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:22 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:43 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  Fire your coach, ECU. All offseason we heard all these stats about these amazing juco players. Losing to the teams you have lost to is insanely terrible.


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Wish we could. Can't afford to. Flat out broke from horrible mismanagement from Compher and football being in the tank now for 4 straight years. There's talk we could be looking at a 10-12 million dollar budget deficit next year. If football doesn't fix itself soon you may not have to worry about kicking us out because we might just go bankrupt.

There are people talking about Dooley getting 4 years. Honestly at this point he should have until the end of January to show signs of life and if not we should make him go away John Thompson/ Ricky Stokes style after 2 years.

Honestly is a bad situation. Not that we could go pay another coach but who would even come here after we only gave Dooley 2 years. The coaching community knows he was a winning coach and had coaching options and it looks bad on the surface if we destroy his career, but he's the one that has done that to himself. The tools and pay have been there to be successful.

Other coaches wouldn't dig down and see how he squandered Leday, how he put a 50% shooter on the line to close a game etc or many of the ridiculous rotations that has cost us tangible games, that has just been unexplainable. We almost need to get drilled so bad he just walks away from the job like Lebo and leaves money on the table.

It doesn't really matter if we should or shouldn't consider firing him after this year, it's just flat out not possible. Also you aren't wrong the coaching profession would look poorly on us firing a guy after 2 years has a real resume and pedigree who did walk into a program that's been a dumpster fire forever. We are stuck with this until probably after year 4 whether we like it or not.

(12-04-2019 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It doesn't really matter if we should or shouldn't consider firing him after this year, it's just flat out not possible. Also you aren't wrong the coaching profession would look poorly on us firing a guy after 2 years has a real resume and pedigree who did walk into a program that's been a dumpster fire forever. We are stuck with this until probably after year 4 whether we like it or not.

Couldn't we fire him and hire a guy for like 200k. I'm not saying that it's worth it, or that I would support that at this point but just in theory. At the end of the day he will probably get a 3rd year at least.

(12-04-2019 09:40 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:24 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 12:59 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  Ecu is a lesson for the AAC
Recruiting on size alone is dumb.. measurables only mean so much
If you aren't recruiting a major juco ... Don't
Juco stats are an indication of capabilities.. for the AAC 16pts+ In juco is the minimum you should be recruiting

Tremont Robinson will get better, but even when he does he likely won't live up to the hype... With that said every single juco they recruited was a flop .. and that is wild as they recruited 7 of them

I don’t think Pig Jackson’s gonna end up being a flop, but you’re mostly correct.

Dooley backed himself into a corner when he got rid of so many players because of a “lack of talent”. He went after some more major JUCOs and they fell through. He got so caught up in the fact that we had trouble rebounding that they looked in every dumpster for tall players.

Shawn Williams was iffy sometimes, but he could score 20 on a given night. KJ Davis wasn’t always on top of his game, but he could get you 15. Spas was more solid than he ever got credit for.

Spas was deplorable. Just because Dooley failed in what he attempted to do doesn't mean the talent on last years team wasn't absolutely dreadful. Tulane did something pretty similar to this, added something like 9-10 new players and are insanely improved. USF last year added something like 9-10 new players to their roster and went from terrible to pretty good. Dooley just failed. He thought he was gonna get guys like Wade who ended up at WSU, Jolly who ended up at SMU, Sy who ended up at Ole Miss etc. When those didn't materialize he didn't have viable backup plans and just went with guys who look the part but clearly can't play. All those guys would have been obvious upgrades, but once he missed he should have just kept guys like Williams, Davis, Foster, and Rico Quinton.

Jucos are good fillers, they should not be your entire recruiting strategy. 1 or 2 to help balance classes is all that is needed. You mention 1 player on each of the 3 teams. That's the key ONE player on each team. WSU is currently only relying on 2 JUCOs (Wade and Echenique). Even with that, Wade had a year of D1 in his freshman year.

I don't think they were the entire recruiting strategy, but I think once he missed on the guys like Wade, Jolly, and Sy we should have just held onto more of the returning players. Robinson and Jackson will be pretty good players. Suggs and Newton have shown flashes as freshman. I think Coleman will continue to get better. He just whiffed on the high level JUCO's he wanted and then settled for backup plans that suck. What's worse than the suck though is their complete lack of hustle and effort. I'm not sure I've ever seen a team slack ass and go through the motions as badly as I witnessed last night. It doesn't take talent to hustle, close out on shooters, go after loose balls, etc. This group didn't even try and that's 100% on Dooley.

(12-04-2019 09:49 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It doesn't really matter if we should or shouldn't consider firing him after this year, it's just flat out not possible. Also you aren't wrong the coaching profession would look poorly on us firing a guy after 2 years has a real resume and pedigree who did walk into a program that's been a dumpster fire forever. We are stuck with this until probably after year 4 whether we like it or not.

Couldn't we fire him and hire a guy for like 200k. I'm not saying that it's worth it, or that I would support that at this point but just in theory. At the end of the day he will probably get a 3rd year at least.

Sure we probably could in theory, but no one worth having would come here for that price.

Tulane opened at -1.5 at USM. This is a spooky game against a former rival. The worst part is that USM doesn't have a D1 win. There is no sugarcoating a loss here.

(12-04-2019 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:49 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It doesn't really matter if we should or shouldn't consider firing him after this year, it's just flat out not possible. Also you aren't wrong the coaching profession would look poorly on us firing a guy after 2 years has a real resume and pedigree who did walk into a program that's been a dumpster fire forever. We are stuck with this until probably after year 4 whether we like it or not.

Couldn't we fire him and hire a guy for like 200k. I'm not saying that it's worth it, or that I would support that at this point but just in theory. At the end of the day he will probably get a 3rd year at least.

Sure we probably could in theory, but no one worth having would come here for that price.

We'll if we are going to basically suck anyway you get a chance to take a flier on someone. Maybe just make Chillious the interim coach for a year and see what he can do. That guy was a successful head coach in prep school and has a resume good enough for our job anyway.

The coach at FGCU is sucking hard, maybe in a perfect scenario Dooley would just take a little haircut and go back there or Kansas. He sounded completely defeated to me last night. I do feel bad how poorly it's worked out but most of this is completely on him.

Dooley treated last year like he had all the time in the world. There was no urgency to recruit or win looking at how long we gave Lebo, so he was off doing Under 18 USA, not hiring assistant coaches or signing players all summer, and just started walk on's and crap. It was build this "culture" nonsense spouted off when we didn't even bring back but 2 players. Hows that working out

It's caught up with him and honestly I am shocked out how quick the rest of the ECU fanbase turned on him though. It's that bad I guess and deep down I think a lot of them haven't liked how he's run the program last year either even if we were the only vocal ones. It makes it really hard to defend.

(12-04-2019 10:16 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:49 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It doesn't really matter if we should or shouldn't consider firing him after this year, it's just flat out not possible. Also you aren't wrong the coaching profession would look poorly on us firing a guy after 2 years has a real resume and pedigree who did walk into a program that's been a dumpster fire forever. We are stuck with this until probably after year 4 whether we like it or not.

Couldn't we fire him and hire a guy for like 200k. I'm not saying that it's worth it, or that I would support that at this point but just in theory. At the end of the day he will probably get a 3rd year at least.

Sure we probably could in theory, but no one worth having would come here for that price.

We'll if we are going to basically suck anyway you get a chance to take a flier on someone. Maybe just make Chillious the interim coach for a year and see what he can do. That guy was a successful head coach in prep school and has a resume good enough for our job anyway.

The coach at FGCU is sucking hard, maybe in a perfect scenario Dooley would just take a little haircut and go back there or Kansas. He sounded completely defeated to me last night. I do feel bad how poorly it's worked out but most of this is completely on him.

Dooley treated last year like he had all the time in the world. There was no urgency to recruit or win looking at how long we gave Lebo, so he was off doing Under 18 USA, not hiring assistant coaches or signing players all summer, and just started walk on's and crap. It was build this "culture" nonsense spouted off when we didn't even bring back but 2 players. Hows that working out

It's caught up with him and honestly I am shocked out how quick the rest of the ECU fanbase turned on him though. It's that bad I guess and deep down I think a lot of them haven't liked how he's run the program last year either even if we were the only vocal ones.

Until last night you could have at least made excuses about why this has gone so poorly. 11 new players, PG's being injured, trying to build chemistry playing away from home. They were lame and pathetic excuses, but if you were a delusional kool-aid drinker you could buy into them. Those types were saying "wait till December when we get the guards back and get to the home stretch and you'll see a different team." Well they are back and we were home against a MEAC team and this was far and away the worst performance of the year. They literally looked like they quit on the court and didn't try. You had MEAC guys trash talking, dunking on us, and they showed zero pride. ECU fans will tolerate a lot in basketball but that was the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of them. One of the guys who was the most adamant about being patient and the early results don't matter and NET/RPI isn't important at this stage literally called for Dooley to be fired after this. It was stunning to me, but he's not wrong. This is where it all came to a head and all the lame excuses about why the product has been so bad this year ran out. Reality slapped a lot of these people in the face last night. There were actually pretty decent crowds in Minges for the first 2 home games, but it's gonna be a ghost town the rest of the year.

(12-04-2019 10:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  One of the guys who was the most adamant about being patient and the early results don't matter and NET/RPI isn't important at this stage literally called for Dooley to be fired after this. It was stunning to me, but he's not wrong.

Who was this. I was pretty much done with that crowd even before the game. At least here you can't get realistic honest feedback, but maybe that was the point things changed last night on 247.

(12-04-2019 10:34 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  One of the guys who was the most adamant about being patient and the early results don't matter and NET/RPI isn't important at this stage literally called for Dooley to be fired after this. It was stunning to me, but he's not wrong.

Who was this. I was pretty much done with that crowd even before the game. At least here you can't get realistic honest feedback, but maybe that was the point things changed last night on 247.

That piratepride2 guy. Here's what he said and it stunned me honestly.

"At this point we need to go ahead and swallow the load...Dooley had my support, but I’m afraid he swung and missed....just like we did when we hired him.

Cut bait and hire a cheap young no name coach who doesn’t give two ****** about ECU and only wants to use us as a stepping stone. That’s what we need to break the ice. Retreads and experience has done nothing for us. Time for someone like a Wes Miller or Juan Dixon who only want to be here for a year or two before moving along to the next big opening."

(12-04-2019 10:37 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:34 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  One of the guys who was the most adamant about being patient and the early results don't matter and NET/RPI isn't important at this stage literally called for Dooley to be fired after this. It was stunning to me, but he's not wrong.

Who was this. I was pretty much done with that crowd even before the game. At least here you can't get realistic honest feedback, but maybe that was the point things changed last night on 247.

That piratepride2 guy. Here's what he said and it stunned me honestly.

"At this point we need to go ahead and swallow the load...Dooley had my support, but I’m afraid he swung and missed....just like we did when we hired him.

Cut bait and hire a cheap young no name coach who doesn’t give two ****** about ECU and only wants to use us as a stepping stone. That’s what we need to break the ice. Retreads and experience has done nothing for us. Time for someone like a Wes Miller or Juan Dixon who only want to be here for a year or two before moving along to the next big opening."

I think a hungry assistant coach is typically the best hire for struggling programs (e.g., Tiger football at one time) unless someone like Hunter is available.

(12-04-2019 10:16 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:49 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:43 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  It doesn't really matter if we should or shouldn't consider firing him after this year, it's just flat out not possible. Also you aren't wrong the coaching profession would look poorly on us firing a guy after 2 years has a real resume and pedigree who did walk into a program that's been a dumpster fire forever. We are stuck with this until probably after year 4 whether we like it or not.

Couldn't we fire him and hire a guy for like 200k. I'm not saying that it's worth it, or that I would support that at this point but just in theory. At the end of the day he will probably get a 3rd year at least.

Sure we probably could in theory, but no one worth having would come here for that price.

We'll if we are going to basically suck anyway you get a chance to take a flier on someone. Maybe just make Chillious the interim coach for a year and see what he can do. That guy was a successful head coach in prep school and has a resume good enough for our job anyway.

The coach at FGCU is sucking hard, maybe in a perfect scenario Dooley would just take a little haircut and go back there or Kansas. He sounded completely defeated to me last night. I do feel bad how poorly it's worked out but most of this is completely on him.

Dooley treated last year like he had all the time in the world. There was no urgency to recruit or win looking at how long we gave Lebo, so he was off doing Under 18 USA, not hiring assistant coaches or signing players all summer, and just started walk on's and crap. It was build this "culture" nonsense spouted off when we didn't even bring back but 2 players. Hows that working out

It's caught up with him and honestly I am shocked out how quick the rest of the ECU fanbase turned on him though. It's that bad I guess and deep down I think a lot of them haven't liked how he's run the program last year either even if we were the only vocal ones. It makes it really hard to defend.

It is an eerily familiar refrain for Tiger fans during the Tubby years (may they be erased from living memory).

(12-04-2019 10:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:37 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:34 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 10:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  One of the guys who was the most adamant about being patient and the early results don't matter and NET/RPI isn't important at this stage literally called for Dooley to be fired after this. It was stunning to me, but he's not wrong.

Who was this. I was pretty much done with that crowd even before the game. At least here you can't get realistic honest feedback, but maybe that was the point things changed last night on 247.

That piratepride2 guy. Here's what he said and it stunned me honestly.

"At this point we need to go ahead and swallow the load...Dooley had my support, but I’m afraid he swung and missed....just like we did when we hired him.

Cut bait and hire a cheap young no name coach who doesn’t give two ****** about ECU and only wants to use us as a stepping stone. That’s what we need to break the ice. Retreads and experience has done nothing for us. Time for someone like a Wes Miller or Juan Dixon who only want to be here for a year or two before moving along to the next big opening."

I think a hungry assistant coach is typically the best hire for struggling programs (e.g., Tiger football at one time) unless someone like Hunter is available.

There's nothing in Dooley's resume that screamed this was a disaster waiting to happen. He had the highest level assistant experience with a decade at Kansas and his record and resume at FGCU is extremely similar to Hunter's at GSU. There was no obvious red flag that would have pointed to this, but yeah whenever we actually do fire him it's gonna have to be an assistant on the cheap.