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I wonder if A-Sun might be splitting in the future as there seems to be a number of southeast schools either mentioning to go D1 or rumored to go D1.
It did not help when Birmingham-Southern dropped down to D3. That would have three from A-Sun with Pioneer football.
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(12-04-2019 07:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I wonder if A-Sun might be splitting in the future as there seems to be a number of southeast schools either mentioning to go D1 or rumored to go D1.
It did not help when Birmingham-Southern dropped down to D3. That would have three from A-Sun with Pioneer football.

Birmingham Southern was in the Big South...

The ASUN, from what I have been told by 3 different officials, one with UNA, one with KSU and Ted Gumbart himself (commissioner of the ASUN) is that the conference will not go over 10 schools in the conference.

So, the only way anyone else gets into the conference, someone has to leave.

I personally would like to have West Florida join. But it will not happen anytime soon.
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Lion: I would have liked to see the A-Sun become the new home of more of the bigger Gulf South schools but apparently your UNA was the only one game for the move.
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(12-05-2019 08:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lion: I would have liked to see the A-Sun become the new home of more of the bigger Gulf South schools but apparently your UNA was the only one game for the move.

West Florida, West Georgia and Valdosta State are the only real viable options.

That being said, West Georgia has mentioned publicly that they have and are exploring a move. Valdosta State has the big fish in small pond mentality (like UNA had in the 90s) they have said publicly they dont want any part of D1.

West Florida has the resources, and forward thinking to do it. Just need the opportunity. I am being told, they are serious contenders for an ASUN invite should someone leave or ALL schools decide 11 is okay, and I dont see the later happening being that that's one more mouth to feed with a small amount of food.
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(12-03-2019 10:51 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 10:48 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  Hard for me to see how those Pioneer League football teams add value to the school. And it certainly squeezes out other men's sports.

Brings in 100+ paying students.

And probably a lot of those don't belong there and the school is using need based scholarships that could go to better students. As said in the news release, there is a lot of cost in coaches, facilities, tutors and other support facilities.

There are a lot of sports that tend to have better students than football.
Pioneer league teams dont offer scholarships for football
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Oh I didn't realize there was Jacksonville & Jacksonville St. Can't say I was familiar w/ Jacksonville University. Either way, very sad. Always sad seeing a program cut sports. Should've just gone down to DII or DIII. School cutting football completely tells me they're admin just doesn't care for school-sponsored sports in general. Feel bad for program alumni.
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There are ASun members who do care about football and there are ones that do not. It is not healthy for a conference. Look what happened to the old Big East? There have been rumblings of unhappy campers in the CAA and MVC between the football and non-football schools. Jacksonville and Stetson would be better fit for the D2 all Florida conference. West Florida and Florida Tech both could move up to D1. More Florida schools with football at D1.
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(12-05-2019 10:08 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Oh I didn't realize there was Jacksonville & Jacksonville St. Can't say I was familiar w/ Jacksonville University. Either way, very sad. Always sad seeing a program cut sports. Should've just gone down to DII or DIII. School cutting football completely tells me they're admin just doesn't care for school-sponsored sports in general. Feel bad for program alumni.

No, they are just focusing on sports that make more sense for them. This is a school that has been to the NCAA title game.

As for football, you don't get much press in the Pioneer League. And you still have all the administrative costs. And the non-scholarship leagues extensively use need based scholarships to recruit football players.
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Saw this article in the Sarasota Herald Tribune today. Apparantly they will pay for the players there to stay and complete their degrees. Kinda weird, considering that they were a non-scholarship sport.
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(12-05-2019 08:27 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lion: I would have liked to see the A-Sun become the new home of more of the bigger Gulf South schools but apparently your UNA was the only one game for the move.

West Florida, West Georgia and Valdosta State are the only real viable options.

That being said, West Georgia has mentioned publicly that they have and are exploring a move. Valdosta State has the big fish in small pond mentality (like UNA had in the 90s) they have said publicly they dont want any part of D1.

West Florida has the resources, and forward thinking to do it. Just need the opportunity. I am being told, they are serious contenders for an ASUN invite should someone leave or ALL schools decide 11 is okay, and I dont see the later happening being that that's one more mouth to feed with a small amount of food.

Those were the same ones I was thinking.

That trio, plus UNA, Kenn St, and maybe some start ups at UNF and FGCU would make for a nice League.

Even if they didn’t get the start ups, playing with Campbell, Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern, and Hampton wouldn’t be too bad.
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(12-03-2019 11:05 AM)panama Wrote:  Yeah , hard to believe a school in the south would kill football.

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Well, to be fair Jacksonville is hardly southern these days.
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(12-06-2019 02:51 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 11:05 AM)panama Wrote:  Yeah , hard to believe a school in the south would kill football.

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Well, to be fair Jacksonville is hardly southern these days.

Jacksonville is still pretty southern. Its Orlando south that is not southern.
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(12-06-2019 01:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:27 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lion: I would have liked to see the A-Sun become the new home of more of the bigger Gulf South schools but apparently your UNA was the only one game for the move.

West Florida, West Georgia and Valdosta State are the only real viable options.

That being said, West Georgia has mentioned publicly that they have and are exploring a move. Valdosta State has the big fish in small pond mentality (like UNA had in the 90s) they have said publicly they dont want any part of D1.

West Florida has the resources, and forward thinking to do it. Just need the opportunity. I am being told, they are serious contenders for an ASUN invite should someone leave or ALL schools decide 11 is okay, and I dont see the later happening being that that's one more mouth to feed with a small amount of food.

Those were the same ones I was thinking.

That trio, plus UNA, Kenn St, and maybe some start ups at UNF and FGCU would make for a nice League.

Even if they didn’t get the start ups, playing with Campbell, Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern, and Hampton wouldn’t be too bad.


Lets not forget Florida Tech is spending a lot of money for sports and academics big time. They added football before West Florida, and they are getting bigger with students being enrolled. They are closing in to 10,000 students and they are private. Outspending both Florida private schools right now in academics and in sports. 22 sports is a lot for a D2 school. The same amount that Bellarmine offers.
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(12-06-2019 04:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-06-2019 01:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:27 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lion: I would have liked to see the A-Sun become the new home of more of the bigger Gulf South schools but apparently your UNA was the only one game for the move.

West Florida, West Georgia and Valdosta State are the only real viable options.

That being said, West Georgia has mentioned publicly that they have and are exploring a move. Valdosta State has the big fish in small pond mentality (like UNA had in the 90s) they have said publicly they dont want any part of D1.

West Florida has the resources, and forward thinking to do it. Just need the opportunity. I am being told, they are serious contenders for an ASUN invite should someone leave or ALL schools decide 11 is okay, and I dont see the later happening being that that's one more mouth to feed with a small amount of food.

Those were the same ones I was thinking.

That trio, plus UNA, Kenn St, and maybe some start ups at UNF and FGCU would make for a nice League.

Even if they didn’t get the start ups, playing with Campbell, Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern, and Hampton wouldn’t be too bad.


Lets not forget Florida Tech is spending a lot of money for sports and academics big time. They added football before West Florida, and they are getting bigger with students being enrolled. They are closing in to 10,000 students and they are private. Outspending both Florida private schools right now in academics and in sports. 22 sports is a lot for a D2 school. The same amount that Bellarmine offers.

Florida Tech plays in a High School stadium. West Florida plays in a baseball field...
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(12-06-2019 05:45 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(12-06-2019 04:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-06-2019 01:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:27 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lion: I would have liked to see the A-Sun become the new home of more of the bigger Gulf South schools but apparently your UNA was the only one game for the move.

West Florida, West Georgia and Valdosta State are the only real viable options.

That being said, West Georgia has mentioned publicly that they have and are exploring a move. Valdosta State has the big fish in small pond mentality (like UNA had in the 90s) they have said publicly they dont want any part of D1.

West Florida has the resources, and forward thinking to do it. Just need the opportunity. I am being told, they are serious contenders for an ASUN invite should someone leave or ALL schools decide 11 is okay, and I dont see the later happening being that that's one more mouth to feed with a small amount of food.

Those were the same ones I was thinking.

That trio, plus UNA, Kenn St, and maybe some start ups at UNF and FGCU would make for a nice League.

Even if they didn’t get the start ups, playing with Campbell, Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern, and Hampton wouldn’t be too bad.


Lets not forget Florida Tech is spending a lot of money for sports and academics big time. They added football before West Florida, and they are getting bigger with students being enrolled. They are closing in to 10,000 students and they are private. Outspending both Florida private schools right now in academics and in sports. 22 sports is a lot for a D2 school. The same amount that Bellarmine offers.

Florida Tech plays in a High School stadium. West Florida plays in a baseball field...

Dont know what Florida Tech has planned for facilities, and by the way, they are only football members of the Gulf South, so that's why they were not mentioned.

But West Florida has a plan to build a new football stadium at some point. If you go to their website, they have a page with their facilities master plan, looks pretty D1 to me.
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The city of Melbourne offered Florida Tech if they want to help build a new stadium that could be FBS size down the road. Could be a good place for a new bowl to be at. The town is growing and FIT is the only game in town. Going D1 will help the image of FIT and the town itself. FIT bought the purchase to renamed the stadium as Florida Tech Panther Stadium. The high school could not afford the upkeep, but FIT could fix the stadium, and add more seats. It is a dual project where the university helping the high school out. This is how Azusa Pacific, Walsh and UTPB are doing along with Bakersfield Community College. Portland State is doing the exact same thing right now where there are plans to build a new stadium for the city sharing with the high school.
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(12-06-2019 04:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-06-2019 01:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:27 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lion: I would have liked to see the A-Sun become the new home of more of the bigger Gulf South schools but apparently your UNA was the only one game for the move.

West Florida, West Georgia and Valdosta State are the only real viable options.

That being said, West Georgia has mentioned publicly that they have and are exploring a move. Valdosta State has the big fish in small pond mentality (like UNA had in the 90s) they have said publicly they dont want any part of D1.

West Florida has the resources, and forward thinking to do it. Just need the opportunity. I am being told, they are serious contenders for an ASUN invite should someone leave or ALL schools decide 11 is okay, and I dont see the later happening being that that's one more mouth to feed with a small amount of food.

Those were the same ones I was thinking.

That trio, plus UNA, Kenn St, and maybe some start ups at UNF and FGCU would make for a nice League.

Even if they didn’t get the start ups, playing with Campbell, Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern, and Hampton wouldn’t be too bad.


Lets not forget Florida Tech is spending a lot of money for sports and academics big time. They added football before West Florida, and they are getting bigger with students being enrolled. They are closing in to 10,000 students and they are private. Outspending both Florida private schools right now in academics and in sports. 22 sports is a lot for a D2 school. The same amount that Bellarmine offers.

David continues his quest to turn every thread into his D2 call-up fantasy.

Florida Tech just dropped three sports and reduced track & field to just distance track. While they still have enough sports for D1 they intend to "focus its finite athletic resources" on what they have now. http://floridatechsports.com/news/2019/2...th=general

(12-06-2019 07:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The city of Melbourne offered Florida Tech if they want to help build a new stadium that could be FBS size down the road. Could be a good place for a new bowl to be at. The town is growing and FIT is the only game in town. Going D1 will help the image of FIT and the town itself. FIT bought the purchase to renamed the stadium as Florida Tech Panther Stadium. The high school could not afford the upkeep, but FIT could fix the stadium, and add more seats. It is a dual project where the university helping the high school out. This is how Azusa Pacific, Walsh and UTPB are doing along with Bakersfield Community College. Portland State is doing the exact same thing right now where there are plans to build a new stadium for the city sharing with the high school.

Show your source for the new Melbourne stadium.
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(12-06-2019 07:51 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(12-06-2019 04:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-06-2019 01:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:27 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 08:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Lion: I would have liked to see the A-Sun become the new home of more of the bigger Gulf South schools but apparently your UNA was the only one game for the move.

West Florida, West Georgia and Valdosta State are the only real viable options.

That being said, West Georgia has mentioned publicly that they have and are exploring a move. Valdosta State has the big fish in small pond mentality (like UNA had in the 90s) they have said publicly they dont want any part of D1.

West Florida has the resources, and forward thinking to do it. Just need the opportunity. I am being told, they are serious contenders for an ASUN invite should someone leave or ALL schools decide 11 is okay, and I dont see the later happening being that that's one more mouth to feed with a small amount of food.

Those were the same ones I was thinking.

That trio, plus UNA, Kenn St, and maybe some start ups at UNF and FGCU would make for a nice League.

Even if they didn’t get the start ups, playing with Campbell, Gardner-Webb, Charleston Southern, and Hampton wouldn’t be too bad.


Lets not forget Florida Tech is spending a lot of money for sports and academics big time. They added football before West Florida, and they are getting bigger with students being enrolled. They are closing in to 10,000 students and they are private. Outspending both Florida private schools right now in academics and in sports. 22 sports is a lot for a D2 school. The same amount that Bellarmine offers.

David continues his quest to turn every thread into his D2 call-up fantasy.

Florida Tech just dropped three sports and reduced track & field to just distance track. While they still have enough sports for D1 they intend to "focus its finite athletic resources" on what they have now. http://floridatechsports.com/news/2019/2...th=general

(12-06-2019 07:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The city of Melbourne offered Florida Tech if they want to help build a new stadium that could be FBS size down the road. Could be a good place for a new bowl to be at. The town is growing and FIT is the only game in town. Going D1 will help the image of FIT and the town itself. FIT bought the purchase to renamed the stadium as Florida Tech Panther Stadium. The high school could not afford the upkeep, but FIT could fix the stadium, and add more seats. It is a dual project where the university helping the high school out. This is how Azusa Pacific, Walsh and UTPB are doing along with Bakersfield Community College. Portland State is doing the exact same thing right now where there are plans to build a new stadium for the city sharing with the high school.

Show your source for the new Melbourne stadium.


Downtown Stadium

It would be a downtown stadium that can be a multi purpose stadium for minor league baseball, football and soccer in the future. It would mean Tech could be part owners, along with the city, the minor league baseball and so forth. It would cost less and the high school could used it as well. It would be a good investment for Tech to do it, and would solved renting any stadiums in the future.
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(12-06-2019 08:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Downtown Stadium

It would be a downtown stadium that can be a multi purpose stadium for minor league baseball, football and soccer in the future. It would mean Tech could be part owners, along with the city, the minor league baseball and so forth. It would cost less and the high school could used it as well. It would be a good investment for Tech to do it, and would solved renting any stadiums in the future.

This article is four years old. This probably fell through because the Brevard County Manatees moved to Kissimmee instead of Melbourne.
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(12-06-2019 08:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-06-2019 07:51 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(12-06-2019 04:50 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Lets not forget Florida Tech is spending a lot of money for sports and academics big time. They added football before West Florida, and they are getting bigger with students being enrolled. They are closing in to 10,000 students and they are private. Outspending both Florida private schools right now in academics and in sports. 22 sports is a lot for a D2 school. The same amount that Bellarmine offers.

David continues his quest to turn every thread into his D2 call-up fantasy.

Florida Tech just dropped three sports and reduced track & field to just distance track. While they still have enough sports for D1 they intend to "focus its finite athletic resources" on what they have now. http://floridatechsports.com/news/2019/2...th=general

(12-06-2019 07:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The city of Melbourne offered Florida Tech if they want to help build a new stadium that could be FBS size down the road. Could be a good place for a new bowl to be at. The town is growing and FIT is the only game in town. Going D1 will help the image of FIT and the town itself. FIT bought the purchase to renamed the stadium as Florida Tech Panther Stadium. The high school could not afford the upkeep, but FIT could fix the stadium, and add more seats. It is a dual project where the university helping the high school out. This is how Azusa Pacific, Walsh and UTPB are doing along with Bakersfield Community College. Portland State is doing the exact same thing right now where there are plans to build a new stadium for the city sharing with the high school.

Show your source for the new Melbourne stadium.

Downtown Stadium

It would be a downtown stadium that can be a multi purpose stadium for minor league baseball, football and soccer in the future. It would mean Tech could be part owners, along with the city, the minor league baseball and so forth. It would cost less and the high school could used it as well. It would be a good investment for Tech to do it, and would solved renting any stadiums in the future.

I'm shocked; David actually has a link! But, there are three problems.

1) The headline, "FIT football not interested in financing Melbourne stadium" because FT is NOT spending a lot of money for sports and academics big time; in fact as I linked above they are cutting spending.

2) The date, "Published 2:47 p.m. ET March 30, 2015 | Updated 7:12 p.m. ET March 30, 2015"; this article is nearly 5 years old.

3) The stadium structure, "If built, the 4,000-capacity stadium ..." which is significantly smaller that the current stadium at 4,980. A 4,000-seat stadium is not close to being big enough for a bowl game and certainly not FBS size. Only nine FCS stadiums are that size or less.

Now go back to the kiddie table in fantasy land.

EDIT:

FT averaged a whopping 1,879 (108 of 167 in D2) attendance in 2019; what do they need a FBS-sized stadium for.
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