How does Utah get to knock on the door of the CFP when the best team they beat (multiple teams ) have 5 losses and their only loss was to a 4 loss team? The best team they played OOC was BYU ( no P5 teams). How are they are miles ahead of Memphis, who has now beaten three 2 loss teams, and like Utah loss to a 4 loss team?

I thought this deserved a separate thread to show the bias in the CFP.

(12-01-2019 11:37 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  How does Utah get to knock on the door of the CFP when the best team they beat (multiple teams ) have 5 losses and their only loss was to a 4 loss team? The best team they played OOC was BYU ( no P5 teams). How are they are miles ahead of Memphis, who has now beaten three 2 loss teams, and like Utah loss to a 4 loss team?

I thought this deserved a separate thread to show the bias in the CFP.

You didn't get the memo? AAC teams don't go thru the gauntlet like P5 teams. Outside of one or two games. Memphis had a terribly weak schedule whereas Utah was fighting live cougars in their parking lots. The mountain west is loaded with talent that they get to keep all to their own while Memphis has to get sloppy thirds from the SEC and the ACC. Oh, and more media money means stronger football teams, didn't you know that?

(12-01-2019 12:18 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:37 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  How does Utah get to knock on the door of the CFP when the best team they beat (multiple teams ) have 5 losses and their only loss was to a 4 loss team? The best team they played OOC was BYU ( no P5 teams). How are they are miles ahead of Memphis, who has now beaten three 2 loss teams, and like Utah loss to a 4 loss team?

I thought this deserved a separate thread to show the bias in the CFP.

You didn't get the memo? AAC teams don't go thru the gauntlet like P5 teams. Outside of one or two games. Memphis had a terribly weak schedule whereas Utah was fighting live cougars in their parking lots. The mountain west is loaded with talent that they get to keep all to their own while Memphis has to get sloppy thirds from the SEC and the ACC. Oh, and more media money means stronger football teams, didn't you know that?

No, I didn't know that. I do know that the CFP is a joke and that every year arguments can be made for up to 10 teams that do not get the chance to compete in them.

I was thinking the same thing. Who exactly has Utah beaten to be there. Not only Memphis, but Cincy, navy, Boise st, AFA etc all can claim to be ahead.

In a similar logic who has Clemson beaten? The ACC, the PAC & the B12 need to be punished for not scheduling well OOC in order to make up for a weak conference. Yes, even Bama, UGA, OSU, MI, PSU and in some seasons other leading SEC & B10 schools don't play anyone OOC to make up for a rather weak bottom half of their conferences, yet only the AAC seems to be diminished by a perception of a weak conference (& ironically none of the top P5 want to play us).

The fans of every one loss team in the country have been asking that for the past two weeks.

I’m a BIG Oregon fan this week

Memphis does have 3 wins that are higher rated than any of Utah's. After losing to USC, to their credit Utah has pretty much kicked everyone's rear end in the PAC.

(12-01-2019 12:18 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:37 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  How does Utah get to knock on the door of the CFP when the best team they beat (multiple teams ) have 5 losses and their only loss was to a 4 loss team? The best team they played OOC was BYU ( no P5 teams). How are they are miles ahead of Memphis, who has now beaten three 2 loss teams, and like Utah loss to a 4 loss team?

I thought this deserved a separate thread to show the bias in the CFP.

You didn't get the memo? AAC teams don't go thru the gauntlet like P5 teams. Outside of one or two games. Memphis had a terribly weak schedule whereas Utah was fighting live cougars in their parking lots. The mountain west is loaded with talent that they get to keep all to their own while Memphis has to get sloppy thirds from the SEC and the ACC. Oh, and more media money means stronger football teams, didn't you know that?

“Cougars” is just BYU’s Mascot, they aren’t real Cougars.

At least not like the Houston Cougars that Memphis has to tame!!

(12-01-2019 02:54 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 12:18 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:37 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  How does Utah get to knock on the door of the CFP when the best team they beat (multiple teams ) have 5 losses and their only loss was to a 4 loss team? The best team they played OOC was BYU ( no P5 teams). How are they are miles ahead of Memphis, who has now beaten three 2 loss teams, and like Utah loss to a 4 loss team?

I thought this deserved a separate thread to show the bias in the CFP.

You didn't get the memo? AAC teams don't go thru the gauntlet like P5 teams. Outside of one or two games. Memphis had a terribly weak schedule whereas Utah was fighting live cougars in their parking lots. The mountain west is loaded with talent that they get to keep all to their own while Memphis has to get sloppy thirds from the SEC and the ACC. Oh, and more media money means stronger football teams, didn't you know that?

“Cougars” is just BYU’s Mascot, they aren’t real Cougars.

At least not like the Houston Cougars that Memphis has to tame!!

Or the cougars in the Country & Western bars.

Don’t see a need to pile on Utah, who has an awesome defense. They’ve won their last eight by 30 points per game (roughly 40-10 on average). That’s impressive in any conference.

(12-01-2019 03:30 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Don’t see a need to pile on Utah, who has an awesome defense. They’ve won their last eight by 30 points per game (roughly 40-10 on average). That’s impressive in any conference.

But no one they have beat is any good.........but the "piling on" is not so much Utah as the subjective, biased process.

(12-01-2019 03:30 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Don’t see a need to pile on Utah, who has an awesome defense. They’ve won their last eight by 30 points per game (roughly 40-10 on average). That’s impressive in any conference.

Providing facts on their weak schedule is not piling on, it's giving facts. I suspect Memphis and Cincy would have similar results against that soft competition, yet they linger way behind.

(12-01-2019 11:37 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  How does Utah get to knock on the door of the CFP when the best team they beat (multiple teams ) have 5 losses and their only loss was to a 4 loss team? The best team they played OOC was BYU ( no P5 teams). How are they are miles ahead of Memphis, who has now beaten three 2 loss teams, and like Utah loss to a 4 loss team?

I thought this deserved a separate thread to show the bias in the CFP.

No worries. It will work itself out. Utah will get jumped by Oklahoma if they beat Baylor. Baylor will jump Utah if they beat OU.

But I will say if you just go by the eye test, Utah beats both those schools on a neutral field. Utah is legit, their schedule not so much.

(12-01-2019 03:46 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:30 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Don’t see a need to pile on Utah, who has an awesome defense. They’ve won their last eight by 30 points per game (roughly 40-10 on average). That’s impressive in any conference.

Providing facts on their weak schedule is not piling on, it's giving facts. I suspect Memphis and Cincy would have similar results against that soft competition, yet they linger way behind.

That’s a very weak argument. There’s no way of actually knowing.

What is hurting Memphis sos is S. Alabama and Southern.

(12-01-2019 04:04 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:46 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:30 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Don’t see a need to pile on Utah, who has an awesome defense. They’ve won their last eight by 30 points per game (roughly 40-10 on average). That’s impressive in any conference.

Providing facts on their weak schedule is not piling on, it's giving facts. I suspect Memphis and Cincy would have similar results against that soft competition, yet they linger way behind.

That’s a very weak argument. There’s no way of actually knowing.

You are correct, however, what is fact is that they have not beaten multiple ranked or 10 win teams and we are there, I believe correctly, ‘assuming’ that they are getting the P5 benefit of doubt.

At least the CFP committee got the AAC champ, even if it's 2 loss Cincy goes to the Cotton Bowl over Boise.

(12-01-2019 03:30 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Don’t see a need to pile on Utah, who has an awesome defense. They’ve won their last eight by 30 points per game (roughly 40-10 on average). That’s impressive in any conference.

There's always a need to pile on Utah.

The Ewetes just beat Colorado 45-15. Well, WSU (6-6) beat the Buffs 41-10; Oregon beat them 45-3. Even UCLA (4-8) beat Colorado 31-14. They also lost to Air Force.

Utah beat Arizona 35-7. Oregon beat them 34-6. USC beat the Wildcats 41-14. Washington beat them 51-27. OSU (5-7) beat Arizona 56-38. They also lost to Hawaii.

The Ewetes did crush 4-8 UCLA 49-3 at home. UCLA also gave up 48 points to Oregon State, 52 points to USC, and 63 points to WSU. UCLA is the one common opponent with Oklahoma, whom Oklahoma beat 48-14 on the road. UCLA also lost to SDSU and Cincinnati.

Now, the *tough* PAC 12 games...

Utah beat Arizona State by 18, 21-3. The following week, UCLA (4-8) beat ASU by 10. ASU's big OOC wins include Michigan State (6-6) by 3, 10-7 (ugly!) and FCS Sacramento State by a score of 19-7.

Utah beat Washington by 5 points, 33-28, in a 4th quarter, come-from-behind win. Washington lost to Oregon by 3, Colorado (5-7) by 6 and Stanford (4-8) by 10.

USC beat Utah. USC lost to Oregon by 32(!), to Washington by 14, and also lost to BYU (7-5).

That was fun.

(12-01-2019 03:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:30 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Don’t see a need to pile on Utah, who has an awesome defense. They’ve won their last eight by 30 points per game (roughly 40-10 on average). That’s impressive in any conference.

But no one they have beat is any good.........but the "piling on" is not so much Utah as the subjective, biased process.

They aren't really piling on in garbage time though. They aren't running up scores ala Urban Meyer at Florida and Ohio State. Memphis probably loses by 20 to Utah based on what i've seen anytime that they play a decent defense.

(12-04-2019 06:13 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:30 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  Don’t see a need to pile on Utah, who has an awesome defense. They’ve won their last eight by 30 points per game (roughly 40-10 on average). That’s impressive in any conference.

There's always a need to pile on Utah.

The Ewetes just beat Colorado 45-15. Well, WSU (6-6) beat the Buffs 41-10; Oregon beat them 45-3. Even UCLA (4-8) beat Colorado 31-14. They also lost to Air Force.

Utah beat Arizona 35-7. Oregon beat them 34-6. USC beat the Wildcats 41-14. Washington beat them 51-27. OSU (5-7) beat Arizona 56-38. They also lost to Hawaii.

The Ewetes did crush 4-8 UCLA 49-3 at home. UCLA also gave up 48 points to Oregon State, 52 points to USC, and 63 points to WSU. UCLA is the one common opponent with Oklahoma, whom Oklahoma beat 48-14 on the road. UCLA also lost to SDSU and Cincinnati.

Now, the *tough* PAC 12 games...

Utah beat Arizona State by 18, 21-3. The following week, UCLA (4-8) beat ASU by 10. ASU's big OOC wins include Michigan State (6-6) by 3, 10-7 (ugly!) and FCS Sacramento State by a score of 19-7.

Utah beat Washington by 5 points, 33-28, in a 4th quarter, come-from-behind win. Washington lost to Oregon by 3, Colorado (5-7) by 6 and Stanford (4-8) by 10.

USC beat Utah. USC lost to Oregon by 32(!), to Washington by 14, and also lost to BYU (7-5).

That was fun.

Memphis lost to Temple.

Cincinnati lost to Memphis

Boise State lost to BYU

App State lost to Georgia Southern but beat UNC who lost to Clemson on a failed two-point conversion and beat USC who beat number 4 Georgia.

Memphis goes to Cotton Bowl and their reward for going 12-1 will be....Alabama

That will be fun.