(12-01-2019 09:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:27 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  What The ACC needs is....

1. Scheduling: We need to stop scheduling more P5 opponents than other P5 conferences. Especially when we don’t get any credit for doing it.

2. Eliminate Divisions: We need to eliminate divisions and balance schedules among all teams in the conference. Use a NFL scheduling philosophy; scheduling based on how team finished year before.

3. Short turn arounds: If a team is scheduled to play on a Thursday night Out of conference they should have a bye on the Saturday before.

4. A bye before Notre Dame: We need to give our league teams every opportunity to win a high profile game against the Irish. The ACC team facing Notre Dame should have a bye the week before.

5. Gentlemen coaches: We need an unwritten agreement among ACC coaches to keep games close. Agreement to run the ball when ahead by 21 or more. No trick plays with a 21 point lead.

6. A bye before our SEC rivalry matchup each season.

Didn't #4 mostly happen this year?

Pretty dang close.

It will be interesting to see how the ACC does during bowl season. Regardless whether Clemson goes to the CFP, the ACC will have 2 NY6 bowl teams against good competition (Orange Bowl plus either CFP or Cotton Bowl). The other 8 bowl eligible schools will have a chance to face off against:

SEC - Gator Bowl, Belk Bowl, Music City Bowl, Independence Bowl
PAC - Sun Bowl
XII - Camping World Bowl
B1G - Pinstripe Bowl, Quick Lane Bowl
AAC - Military Bowl
CUSA - Gasparilla Bowl

8 of these bowls will take ACC schools and will provide at least 6 opportunities to face off against power opponents. Maybe we'll see the conference was severely underrated or maybe we'll see it was fairly judged.

(12-01-2019 06:53 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:27 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  4. A bye before Notre Dame: We need to give our league teams every opportunity to win a high profile game against the Irish. The ACC team facing Notre Dame should have a bye the week before.

Notre Dame would be extremely unhappy if they saw ACC target them. This might drive Notre Dame to B1G.

Good. It's not like they have provided the ACC with any benefit in this forced marriage anyway.

(12-01-2019 10:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 06:53 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:27 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  4. A bye before Notre Dame: We need to give our league teams every opportunity to win a high profile game against the Irish. The ACC team facing Notre Dame should have a bye the week before.

Notre Dame would be extremely unhappy if they saw ACC target them. This might drive Notre Dame to B1G.

Good. It's not like they have provided the ACC with any benefit in this forced marriage anyway.

I expect the ACC will do well in the crap tier bowls and get absolutely shelled in all the non-CFP good bowls. Particularly Cavman in the Orange Bowl, who will draw somebody the likes of Florida or Alabama. I don't feel too good about whoever is in the Belk, Camping World, or Music City either.

(12-01-2019 10:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 06:53 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:27 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  4. A bye before Notre Dame: We need to give our league teams every opportunity to win a high profile game against the Irish. The ACC team facing Notre Dame should have a bye the week before.

Notre Dame would be extremely unhappy if they saw ACC target them. This might drive Notre Dame to B1G.

Good. It's not like they have provided the ACC with any benefit in this forced marriage anyway.

Broken record....

It was not forced. The ACC was willing, ready, eager and happy to consumate.

(12-01-2019 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 06:53 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:27 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  4. A bye before Notre Dame: We need to give our league teams every opportunity to win a high profile game against the Irish. The ACC team facing Notre Dame should have a bye the week before.

Notre Dame would be extremely unhappy if they saw ACC target them. This might drive Notre Dame to B1G.

Good. It's not like they have provided the ACC with any benefit in this forced marriage anyway.

Broken record....

It was not forced. The ACC was willing, ready, eager and happy to consumate.

#METOO

(12-01-2019 11:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I expect the ACC will do well in the crap tier bowls and get absolutely shelled in all the non-CFP good bowls. Particularly Cavman in the Orange Bowl, who will draw somebody the likes of Florida or Alabama. I don't feel too good about whoever is in the Belk, Camping World, or Music City either.

We'll have to see which SEC teams go to those bowls, GTS... remember: Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky and Mississippi State are all bowl-eligible, too.

(12-02-2019 12:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  We'll have to see which SEC teams go to those bowls, GTS... remember: Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky and Mississippi State are all bowl-eligible, too.

Sure you wanna double down on that one?

(12-02-2019 12:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 12:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  We'll have to see which SEC teams go to those bowls, GTS... remember: Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky and Mississippi State are all bowl-eligible, too.

Sure you wanna double down on that one?

Some ACC teams would easily beat Kentucky, others don't have the right personnel (apparently).

(12-01-2019 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 06:53 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:27 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  4. A bye before Notre Dame: We need to give our league teams every opportunity to win a high profile game against the Irish. The ACC team facing Notre Dame should have a bye the week before.

Notre Dame would be extremely unhappy if they saw ACC target them. This might drive Notre Dame to B1G.

Good. It's not like they have provided the ACC with any benefit in this forced marriage anyway.

Broken record....

It was not forced. The ACC was willing, ready, eager and happy to consumate.

We were promised decent bowl games. We are still waiting for them. When is Notre Dame actually going to contribute something in this marriage?

#parasites

(12-02-2019 08:14 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 06:53 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:27 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  4. A bye before Notre Dame: We need to give our league teams every opportunity to win a high profile game against the Irish. The ACC team facing Notre Dame should have a bye the week before.

Notre Dame would be extremely unhappy if they saw ACC target them. This might drive Notre Dame to B1G.

Good. It's not like they have provided the ACC with any benefit in this forced marriage anyway.

Broken record....

It was not forced. The ACC was willing, ready, eager and happy to consumate.

We were promised decent bowl games. We are still waiting for them. When is Notre Dame actually going to contribute something in this marriage?

#parasites

Hey, can we give the same deal to some other ACC member schools (I won't name any names)? I don't mind playing them every year in basketball, but once every 3 years in football is probably good enough...

(12-02-2019 08:14 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 06:53 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 03:27 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  4. A bye before Notre Dame: We need to give our league teams every opportunity to win a high profile game against the Irish. The ACC team facing Notre Dame should have a bye the week before.

Notre Dame would be extremely unhappy if they saw ACC target them. This might drive Notre Dame to B1G.

Good. It's not like they have provided the ACC with any benefit in this forced marriage anyway.

Broken record....

It was not forced. The ACC was willing, ready, eager and happy to consumate.

We were promised decent bowl games. We are still waiting for them. When is Notre Dame actually going to contribute something in this marriage?

#parasites

ACC Network.

Schools like Duke selling ND tickets at higher prices than other games.

Sellouts when ND plays at ACC venues that didn't have them (Pitt, etc).

Didn't you guys lock in the bowl game tie ins with contracts prior to ND joining?

The fixation on ND is ridiculous. VT had ND beat and choked the game. ND was better than UVa.

UVa, VT, and WF are top 30-20 schools this year, none are top 15. It's no big deal.

You need a future NFL quality QB and one big RB to compete or a boatload of future NFL quality defensive linemen and backs. It's really that simple.

Clemson has all the parts, the coach, the incentives, and the fans.

FSU doesn't have the QB, coach, or the linemen.

In the past 20 years NC State has produced Rivers, Wilson, Brissett, Glennon, and Finley yet never was able to match two sets of NFL star defensive players from 04-06, and 16-18 and the big RB to these QB's. We have not had the needed running back for decades. Two of the three parts can get you 9-10 wins, but not 12-15 wins.

Regarding bowls, ND was not added in time to help with the Citrus or Hall or Fame Bowl and ND could not stop our loss of the Peach Bowl.

Guaranteed ACC bowl tie ins at the top suck in part because BC, Duke, and WF have such small alumni and football fan bases. That represents a hell of a risk to a bowl that needs the ACC team to sell 30K tickets. NC State, UVa, and UNC football have last produced a double digit winner in 2003, 1988, and 2015, respectively. The bowls also run the risk of the fans of those schools bypassing a bowl game for a damn basketball game - again a hell of a risk.

There are only about 10 bowl games even worth a **** - the NY6, Citrus, Holiday, HOF, and Gator Bowl - it's an argument in search of a purpose.

Louisville needs .... a lot still. But I'll focus on two things:

D-Linemen. Depth is horrific here. But I think this is the holy grail for most collegiate teams.

Better tackling. Against U-uh-Kay, we'd usually have one or two guys in position to make the tackle, and the UK runner would run through the tackle, usually for-freakin-ever .... You can blame coaching and scheme all you want, but if the guys don't freakin' tackle when they get the chance, scheme doesn't mean much.

All in all, we're definitely on the right track. I'd say we're two recruiting classes away from being a top 25 team.



The ACC just needs it's power programs to play like power programs.

Miami laid the wood to us, so I can't understand how they choked so bad in their last two. Makes ZERO sense.

Virginia Tech just needs consistency. They found something the last half of the year. Hopefully they can move forward from there.

Florida State desperately needs leadership. This next coach is crucial. He has to FIT more than he needs a resume.


Mark Packer says this often, and he is right. For the perception of the ACC to be strong, it needs it's 4 power programs to be potent. Miami, Virginia Tech, Florida State and Clemson. This doesn't mean that there can't be other schools that help ... but those 4 are the tent polls for the conference ... Like Duke, UNC, Louisville, and Virginia (and Syracuse normally) are in men's hoops.

I think 3 of 4 of the “Power programs” need to be good as in 10+ wins a year. GT, Pitt, UVA and UNC have that potential, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask for 8-9 wins a year from 2 of the 4. Obviously we can’t all win, but a few teams have reached their ceiling; SU last year, Wake this year. Their norm will be around 6 wins. I think David Cutcliffe may have Duke stagnant, BC probably just torpedo’d their program with the firing of Addazio.

I wish some of the teams would lighten up on their OOC schedule and just try to win enough to insure bowl eligibility.

I think when most fans of football schools say that they want to see other ACC teams step up, what they REALLY mean is to win their non-conference games. Syracuse getting rolled by Maryland and BC losing to Kansas at home just gave the entire conference a bad reputation early in the season - and it has stuck! Besides, if Syracuse had beaten Maryland (like just about everyone else), the Orange would be bowl-eligible right now. If Addazio had beaten Kansas (like just about everyone else), he might still be employed.

(12-02-2019 03:56 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I think 3 of 4 of the “Power programs” need to be good as in 10+ wins a year. GT, Pitt, UVA and UNC have that potential, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask for 8-9 wins a year from 2 of the 4. Obviously we can’t all win, but a few teams have reached their ceiling; SU last year, Wake this year. Their norm will be around 6 wins. I think David Cutcliffe may have Duke stagnant, BC probably just torpedo’d their program with the firing of Addazio.

I wish some of the teams would lighten up on their OOC schedule and just try to win enough to insure bowl eligibility.

Pretty sure when Syracuse scheduled Maryland, BC scheduled Kansas, and NC State scheduled West Virginia they weren't doing so thinking "Man! These are some tough games we've got scheduled!"

Well, maybe NC State did since they have such a hard time beating P5 teams of any stripe.

(12-02-2019 04:56 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I think when most fans of football schools say that they want to see other ACC teams step up, what they REALLY mean is to win their non-conference games. Syracuse getting rolled by Maryland and BC losing to Kansas at home just gave the entire conference a bad reputation early in the season - and it has stuck! Besides, if Syracuse had beaten Maryland (like just about everyone else), the Orange would be bowl-eligible right now. If Addazio had beaten Kansas (like just about everyone else), he might still be employed.

Syracuse can't anticipate Maryland player would have died days before the game so the whole team turned a monster.