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(12-01-2019 11:36 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Quietly, Vogt has his 6th straight game of scoring in double figures.

His 2nd half was huge. Dude is a gamer

(12-01-2019 11:36 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Quietly, Vogt has his 6th straight game of scoring in double figures.

Yes. Vogt is a pleasant surprise. And gives us an insight into the type of player Brannen recruits. That's one sign of hope for the future.

(12-01-2019 12:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:36 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Quietly, Vogt has his 6th straight game of scoring in double figures.

Yes. Vogt is a pleasant surprise. And gives us an insight into the type of player Brannen recruits. That's one sign of hope for the future.

If he could add a 12' jumpshot to his repertoire, he could be all league

Vogt has also mostly stayed out of foul trouble since the OSU game. I think the OSU game might have just been a little too big for him when you consider it was his first game with UC, his third ever career start, and he was playing on the road against a potential top 10 team with some really good bigs.

(12-01-2019 01:11 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Vogt has also mostly stayed out of foul trouble since the OSU game. I think the OSU game might have just been a little too big for him when you consider it was his first game with UC, his third ever career start, and he was playing on the road against a potential top 10 team with some really good bigs.

Not to mention a couple of the fouls were bad calls.

(12-01-2019 01:55 PM)dsquare Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:11 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Vogt has also mostly stayed out of foul trouble since the OSU game. I think the OSU game might have just been a little too big for him when you consider it was his first game with UC, his third ever career start, and he was playing on the road against a potential top 10 team with some really good bigs.

Not to mention a couple of the fouls were bad calls.

Right... kinda forgot about that. I recall 2 of them being very questionable.

(11-30-2019 10:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 10:19 PM)QSECOFR Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 10:12 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Don't get the bad coaching remarks regarding missed free throws and dumb decisions by players.

Terry Nelson said on air that he couldn’t believe that Coach B didn’t call for a review on the 2 shot foul that the refs called a 3-point attempt.

It ain’t just posters on this board questioning at least some of the decisions.

"Decision making" is one thing.

Part-and-parcel of "Coaching" though is to IMPROVE basketball skills and teach that which the players don't know.

So far, I'd give this staff a solid "F" in Coaching. Rick Majerus used to require each player to make 10 consecutive FT's to finish practice...miss one and you went back to the end of the line to watch and wait your turn. Huggins likes to extol the "gym rat"...the guys who hang out on the court in off-hours to work on their basic skills.

I don't see it here. FT's are "Basketball 101." Perhaps Brannen thinks it's below him, but these are simple points we leave on the table. Now, to be fair, Mick didn't teach FT's either; I remember saying the same basic stuff over the last bunch of years, so this is a perennial issue with these guys. But at some point these coaches are going to have to start going back to basics or this will be a very long season.

Unbelievable criticism. Look how long it took Fickell to get his system working. My comment about the small proportional band apply here.

(11-30-2019 10:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Shame the last minute of regulation will make fans ignore the great second half this team played. Incredibly encouraging half of basketball.

Mark, that unlv team is not very good. They are 3-6 for a reason.

(12-01-2019 02:11 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 10:35 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Shame the last minute of regulation will make fans ignore the great second half this team played. Incredibly encouraging half of basketball.

Mark, that unlv team is not very good. They are 3-6 for a reason.

They have a ton of new pieces and a brand new coach as well. They have lost by 4 to Kansas State, Cal and SMU, though UCLA beat them pretty well, but they have been putting up good fights. I wouldn't be surprised to see them as a top 100 team by year's end once they figure it out.

By the way Vermont lost to Yale by 13.

(12-01-2019 08:56 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  By the way Vermont lost to Yale by 13.

Wow...They hung with Virginia all game and fall by 6. Still a game we can't take lightly.

(12-01-2019 08:56 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  By the way Vermont lost to Yale by 13.

Some UC fans think UNLV is good...they prolly aren’t either.

They need to shoot better all around. The offense they are running is giving open looks, but they are missing mid-range jumpers and bunnies as well as FT's.

If they made just 10% more of their open looks they'd be undefeated right now.........I love the fact that they actually use picks and screens (this is historic IMHO...I never saw this to any extent under Huggs or Cronin, and that covers a lot of ground).

Defense is not too bad actually...they move their feet and defend the 3. They also play some zone...which is good.

(12-01-2019 12:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:36 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Quietly, Vogt has his 6th straight game of scoring in double figures.

Yes. Vogt is a pleasant surprise. And gives us an insight into the type of player Brannen recruits. That's one sign of hope for the future.

The person Brannen brought with him. The player who knows his system best. The player who almost all of us expected very little of, might be the MVP of the team, so far this season.

Just think what the results would have been if a more talented player had bought into it earlier. The craziest thing about this is the better Vogt plays, the worst it makes that player look on more than one level.

(12-02-2019 07:48 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 12:40 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 11:36 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Quietly, Vogt has his 6th straight game of scoring in double figures.

Yes. Vogt is a pleasant surprise. And gives us an insight into the type of player Brannen recruits. That's one sign of hope for the future.

The person Brannen brought with him. The player who knows his system best. The player who almost all of us expected very little of, might be the MVP of the team, so far this season.

Just think what the results would have been if a more talented player had bought into it earlier. The craziest thing about this is the better Vogt plays, the worst it makes that player look on more than one level.

Spot on. Vogt is that big who knows how to finish around the rim. We watched the Bearcats play teams for a decade who had a center like that and always wondered, "why can't we get one with those skills on offense?".

(12-02-2019 04:35 AM)converrl Wrote:  They need to shoot better all around. The offense they are running is giving open looks, but they are missing mid-range jumpers and bunnies as well as FT's.

If they made just 10% more of their open looks they'd be undefeated right now.........I love the fact that they actually use picks and screens (this is historic IMHO...I never saw this to any extent under Huggs or Cronin, and that covers a lot of ground).

Defense is not too bad actually...they move their feet and defend the 3. They also play some zone...which is good.

UC's defense has not been good. The Bowling Green guy and the UNLV guard were wide open for three point shots all night and led their respective teams back from certain defeat to force both games into overtime. Our opponents are able to drive to the hoop virtually unimpeded given our rather leaky defense. Williams is not a good on-ball defender against fast guards and Scott has not been good defensively this year either.

(12-02-2019 02:26 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(12-02-2019 04:35 AM)converrl Wrote:  They need to shoot better all around. The offense they are running is giving open looks, but they are missing mid-range jumpers and bunnies as well as FT's.

If they made just 10% more of their open looks they'd be undefeated right now.........I love the fact that they actually use picks and screens (this is historic IMHO...I never saw this to any extent under Huggs or Cronin, and that covers a lot of ground).

Defense is not too bad actually...they move their feet and defend the 3. They also play some zone...which is good.

UC's defense has not been good. The Bowling Green guy and the UNLV guard were wide open for three point shots all night and led their respective teams back from certain defeat to force both games into overtime. Our opponents are able to drive to the hoop virtually unimpeded given our rather leaky defense. Williams is not a good on-ball defender against fast guards and Scott has not been good defensively this year either.

A lot of this goes away when we play zone. Hence my optimism. Huggs always hated zone.

(11-30-2019 07:54 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Our coach is crap. Non of this it’s early stuff. What I am watching is one the most poorly coached teams in high major basketball. No clue how to use his best players or how to control a game.

I think any high major retread coach would be better then this crap. Team is going suck this year and next looks ugly. Better to hit the reset button again in the spring and find a real coach.

Chiming in late.

I wouldn’t call him crap. But I will say he does not know how to use his best players yet. And he definitely is not controlling things. I think we were definitely spoiled with Huggins and Cronin. They knew how to control things. I think this is one of the most important parts of coaching.

Like another poster said, the usage rate of some of the other players is way too high. The best players should be taking the most shots, and getting the most minutes.

(11-30-2019 08:08 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-30-2019 08:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  NIT is unacceptable regardless of who the coach is. This was not a program that was in a rebuild process.

I think we may have been and that’s why the previous coach was quick to get out of Dodge.

I enjoy reading what you have to say, and everyone here is entertaining. But this view is so simplistic. Whenever a Coach leaves I read this. Also people were saying he stopped recruiting. What if he didn’t get another job? He would be stuck with a BAD team. I don’t believe it for a second that he didn’t give full effort in recruiting because he was looking for another job.

That said, he may have whiffed on some recruits. We all probably agree if Cronin was still here he would do better with this roster and his own roster. But many of us were OK with a change. Sacrifice some regular season wins, for some March success. Let’s see what happens in the next couple of years.

Don’t get me wrong though. I’m not happy. we almost always lose to eggs at Cintas Center. This year will be a easy victory by eggs, and I’m not even looking forward to the game.

He’s not crap.

He does need to figure out PDQ how to make this roster work. If JC or Tre don’t fit exactly into his system he has to figure out how to utilize them better to get last years types of production out of both or that is squarely on the staff.