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RE: Bye bye Barry
I did not think they would have pulled the trigger that fast. Now we probably lose commitments because those kids loved their coach. Our recruiting program was looking up. We will see.[/b][/i]
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RE: Bye bye Barry
Barry was okay as a coach, but the program wasn’t going anywhere. He’ll be a highly coveted DC this offseason.
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vandiver49
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RE: Bye bye Barry
I don’t know if this is the best year for Mizzou to ride the coaching carousel
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JRsec
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RE: Bye bye Barry
Changing coaches is a big mistake. One that may cement Missouri as the second Vanderbilt of the SEC.
They better hit a home run or it's 3 more years of not much.
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RE: Bye bye Barry
(11-30-2019 09:30 PM)JRsec Wrote: Changing coaches is a big mistake. One that may cement Missouri as the second Vanderbilt of the SEC.
They better hit a home run or it's 3 more years of not much.
I just read a list of potential coaches.
1. Mike Norvell - Memphis
2. Bryan Harsin - Boise State
3. Billy Napier - Louisiana
4. Eliah Drinkwitz - App State
5. Willie Fritz- Tulane
6. Lane Kiffin - FAU
7. Alex Grich - Oklahoma DC
Info taken from the Columbia Missourian.
This will be the AD's first hire for a head coach, so it's on him too now. He came after Odom. Like Jr, I think this is a mistake. Odom had a lot of skin in the game at Missouri. The team was crapped on for eight months by the NCAA. Hard to operate under that nonsense. I doubt anyone else can have the passion for the program he had. They went on the road and won their last game with nothing to play for. I think he built a lot of character into these kids. I also hope they play the Tar Heel card and file a lawsuit against the NCAA.
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OdinFrigg
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RE: Bye bye Barry
It was a rough year for Mizzou, but this looks unwarranted. Mizzou may get a skimpy recruiting class for 2020. Odom contacts will look elsewhere, and the new coach will get a late recruiting start, plus must negotiate and assemble a staff. It appears the new AD wants his own guy, and perhaps Odom gets scapegoated somewhat for the tutor mishap. But I don't know the details about the internal disputes there, so am basically speculatiñg.
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RE: Bye bye Barry
(11-30-2019 09:30 PM)JRsec Wrote: Changing coaches is a big mistake. One that may cement Missouri as the second Vanderbilt of the SEC.
They better hit a home run or it's 3 more years of not much.
Well put. As a long-suffering VU fan ... we now might be able to finish sixth in the East the next few years.
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RE: Bye bye Barry
And somehow Will Muschamp is still employed at SC
(This post was last modified: 12-02-2019 10:01 AM by Gamecock.)
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RE: Bye bye Barry
(12-02-2019 10:00 AM)Gamecock Wrote: And somehow Will Muschamp is still employed at SC
The OC was re-assigned to avoid paying him off a million+ to 2022. He will be the receivers coach for now. The QB and strength coach were fired.
Such is predictable. Muschamp is overpaid and received a contract, with quick extensions, in which he accomplished little to deserve.
AD Tanner has made a string of decisions, including coaching choices, that have been problematic. The leadership of the athletic department needs an overhaul.
With Muschamp, regardless of the resources that are available to him, he doesn't display the qualities to lift Carolina beyond mediocrity. He failed to cultivate any momentum following the win at Georgia.
Enough of re-cycled coaches, and rewarding mediocrity with obscene amounts of cash.
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RE: Bye bye Barry
(12-02-2019 11:03 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote: (12-02-2019 10:00 AM)Gamecock Wrote: And somehow Will Muschamp is still employed at SC
The OC was re-assigned to avoid paying him off a million+ to 2022. He will be the receivers coach for now. The QB and strength coach were fired.
Such is predictable. Muschamp is overpaid and received a contract, with quick extensions, in which he accomplished little to deserve.
AD Tanner has made a string of decisions, including coaching choices, that have been problematic. The leadership of the athletic department needs an overhaul.
With Muschamp, regardless of the resources that are available to him, he doesn't display the qualities to lift Carolina beyond mediocrity. He failed to cultivate any momentum following the win at Georgia.
Enough of re-cycled coaches, and rewarding mediocrity with obscene amounts of cash.
Ray Tanner has been a disaster, overall. From PR, to dealing with the league office/NCAA, to hiring, to contracts. Truly, truly awful all around.
I'm assuming McClendon will leave in the near future, perhaps after signing day or once he can secure another job elsewhere. We tried this act with Hoke and Ward and it didn't work out well.
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RE: Bye bye Barry
(12-02-2019 01:08 PM)Gamecock Wrote: (12-02-2019 11:03 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote: (12-02-2019 10:00 AM)Gamecock Wrote: And somehow Will Muschamp is still employed at SC
The OC was re-assigned to avoid paying him off a million+ to 2022. He will be the receivers coach for now. The QB and strength coach were fired.
Such is predictable. Muschamp is overpaid and received a contract, with quick extensions, in which he accomplished little to deserve.
AD Tanner has made a string of decisions, including coaching choices, that have been problematic. The leadership of the athletic department needs an overhaul.
With Muschamp, regardless of the resources that are available to him, he doesn't display the qualities to lift Carolina beyond mediocrity. He failed to cultivate any momentum following the win at Georgia.
Enough of re-cycled coaches, and rewarding mediocrity with obscene amounts of cash.
Ray Tanner has been a disaster, overall. From PR, to dealing with the league office/NCAA, to hiring, to contracts. Truly, truly awful all around.
I'm assuming McClendon will leave in the near future, perhaps after signing day or once he can secure another job elsewhere. We tried this act with Hoke and Ward and it didn't work out well.
Any word on whether or not there's still a movement to replace Tanner?
Also, I was mystified when South Carolina hired Muschamp anyway. If you get a job like Florida and can't really do anything with it then I don't think that speaks well of your ability. He was a good DC in his day, but that's his limit.
I also agree that Muschamp is overpaid.
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RE: Bye bye Barry
When it comes to Barry Odom, I think he's a good coach that got caught up in a bad situation. I'm not sure he deserved to be fired, but I'm not sure Missouri could really move forward with him either.
The program needs revitalizing because Gary Pinkel demonstrated they could be competitive in this conference. That raised expectations.
The biggest problem is the looming sanctions. That means their pool of candidates will be limited. We could easily argue that sticking with Odom in that situation was the best course of action. That could be right, but the odds of Odom recovering the program either way were slim. I think that's why they made this decision.
The best they could hope for is an up and comer that's looking for stability. If Missouri is willing to offer someone a 6-8 year contract with the opportunity to really build a program in their image then that might lure someone effective.
Reality is that the next couple of years will be bad one way or the other barring the hiring of a miracle worker. Oddly enough, there is a miracle worker that might be available. His name is Bill Clark and he's at UAB.
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RE: Bye bye Barry
(12-02-2019 02:17 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: (12-02-2019 01:08 PM)Gamecock Wrote: (12-02-2019 11:03 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote: (12-02-2019 10:00 AM)Gamecock Wrote: And somehow Will Muschamp is still employed at SC
The OC was re-assigned to avoid paying him off a million+ to 2022. He will be the receivers coach for now. The QB and strength coach were fired.
Such is predictable. Muschamp is overpaid and received a contract, with quick extensions, in which he accomplished little to deserve.
AD Tanner has made a string of decisions, including coaching choices, that have been problematic. The leadership of the athletic department needs an overhaul.
With Muschamp, regardless of the resources that are available to him, he doesn't display the qualities to lift Carolina beyond mediocrity. He failed to cultivate any momentum following the win at Georgia.
Enough of re-cycled coaches, and rewarding mediocrity with obscene amounts of cash.
Ray Tanner has been a disaster, overall. From PR, to dealing with the league office/NCAA, to hiring, to contracts. Truly, truly awful all around.
I'm assuming McClendon will leave in the near future, perhaps after signing day or once he can secure another job elsewhere. We tried this act with Hoke and Ward and it didn't work out well.
Any word on whether or not there's still a movement to replace Tanner?
Also, I was mystified when South Carolina hired Muschamp anyway. If you get a job like Florida and can't really do anything with it then I don't think that speaks well of your ability. He was a good DC in his day, but that's his limit.
I also agree that Muschamp is overpaid.
I'd put it at around 50/50 that he's still the AD by kickoff next year. The fanbase is definitely turning against him, which is saying quite a bit given how universally well liked he was when he was hired
This isn't just about football failures either; he's been pretty mediocre across the board since coming on and this has all sort of been the tipping point.
My guess is he is allowed to "retire" or move on to a different role at the school, but I think he's looking for an exit strategy.
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2019 01:15 PM by Gamecock.)
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RE: Bye bye Barry
(12-02-2019 02:32 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: When it comes to Barry Odom, I think he's a good coach that got caught up in a bad situation. I'm not sure he deserved to be fired, but I'm not sure Missouri could really move forward with him either.
The program needs revitalizing because Gary Pinkel demonstrated they could be competitive in this conference. That raised expectations.
The biggest problem is the looming sanctions. That means their pool of candidates will be limited. We could easily argue that sticking with Odom in that situation was the best course of action. That could be right, but the odds of Odom recovering the program either way were slim. I think that's why they made this decision.
The best they could hope for is an up and comer that's looking for stability. If Missouri is willing to offer someone a 6-8 year contract with the opportunity to really build a program in their image then that might lure someone effective.
Reality is that the next couple of years will be bad one way or the other barring the hiring of a miracle worker. Oddly enough, there is a miracle worker that might be available. His name is Bill Clark and he's at UAB.
Bill Clark is a strong coach who could do well at most D-I programs. I'm impressed.
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