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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
(11-30-2019 12:55 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: (11-29-2019 12:01 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote: Frankly, I think NDSU and JMU would already be in FBS if they found the right fit - the MAC ain't it.
The MAC is as good a fit for JMU as they are likely to find for a move-up, given that the AAC is not inviting up any FCS schools, and they've already turned up their noses at a spot in the SBC. If there's a compelling #13 that wants to join the MAC, JMU seems the most likely "evening up" add.
Indeed, if UMass had taken up their all-sports option, JMU was reportedly the "evening up" add the MAC had lined up.
NDSU is indeed not a fit for the MAC, unless they find a way to move North Dakota to somewhere south or east of Wisconsin.
I've said this before, but JMU's admin, as well as fans, do not want anything to do with weekday games. If that wasn't a must for the MAC, I think JMU would be all in.... but we don't want our attendance (which is already above the MAC average at 20K-23K yearly - MAC: 15,458 (2018)) to plummet. Also, for a mainly mid-atlantic to northeastern fanbase, JMU fans will not get excited playing a majority of the MAC.
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
(11-30-2019 10:33 PM)jmu18 Wrote: I've said this before, but JMU's admin, as well as fans, do not want anything to do with weekday games. If that wasn't a must for the MAC, I think JMU would be all in.... but we don't want our attendance (which is already above the MAC average at 20K-23K yearly - MAC: 15,458 (2018)) to plummet.
I wonder whether you are projecting from fan sentiment to administration sentiment, since it seems an awfully lot like JMU was lined up to take an invite if UMass had exercised their option and the MAC needed #14.
Quote: Also, for a mainly mid-atlantic to northeastern fanbase, JMU fans will not get excited playing a majority of the MAC.
That's also part of why fans from the western division seemed not thrilled by the prospect ... it's not an egregious distance for most schools, like NDSU would have been, but it's definitely outside of the Great Lakes base footprint.
But this does point back to why the OP was a silly question on flimsy pretenses ... the moves that are strong moves without serious downsides from either perspective tend to be the moves that have already been made. With so many conferences looking to backfill so many spots over the past decade or two, the obvious options all come with some kind of "yes, except for ...".
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
(11-29-2019 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote: (11-29-2019 12:01 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote: (11-28-2019 01:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: (11-28-2019 11:32 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: Absolutely not. Has nothing to do with them being an HBCU.
Basically, the only FCS members I'd be interested in are JMU and NDSU. The FCS is a complete wasteland outside those two programs.
SDSU, Montana, Eastern Washington, Mizz St and Delaware should be added to that list. Teams with strong fanbases and compete at the highest level of the FCS.
The only one of those schools whose fan base I would qualify as "strong" - as in as strong as NDSU or JMU - would be Montana. WaGriz might even have the best game day atmosphere of the three. SDSU has sold out one game since opening their new stadium in 2016 (this year vs. NDSU); EWU doesn't draw well even when they win; Delaware does okay, not great, and I don't think Missouri State would kick you out if you jumped the fence to get in.
Frankly, I think NDSU and JMU would already be in FBS if they found the right fit - the MAC ain't it. Montana won't do it because Montana State can't make the jump. The Brawl of the Wild is basically a license to print money for both schools.
EWU said they need to upgrade their stadium. They got more people in their stadium last year more than what their capacity could hold. Plus, their fans do travel. They could be the next Boise if they could get themoney to upgrade.
They averaged 8300 this year after years and years of success and being the class of the big sky. They just approved a plan to remodel the stadium but are not adding any more seating capacity. On top of all that, the athletic department is running a $6 million deficit. Don't know where in all of that shows that they could be the next Boise or that their fans travel well (they don't).
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
(12-04-2019 08:54 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote: (11-29-2019 01:16 AM)DavidSt Wrote: (11-29-2019 12:01 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote: (11-28-2019 01:00 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: (11-28-2019 11:32 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: Absolutely not. Has nothing to do with them being an HBCU.
Basically, the only FCS members I'd be interested in are JMU and NDSU. The FCS is a complete wasteland outside those two programs.
SDSU, Montana, Eastern Washington, Mizz St and Delaware should be added to that list. Teams with strong fanbases and compete at the highest level of the FCS.
The only one of those schools whose fan base I would qualify as "strong" - as in as strong as NDSU or JMU - would be Montana. WaGriz might even have the best game day atmosphere of the three. SDSU has sold out one game since opening their new stadium in 2016 (this year vs. NDSU); EWU doesn't draw well even when they win; Delaware does okay, not great, and I don't think Missouri State would kick you out if you jumped the fence to get in.
Frankly, I think NDSU and JMU would already be in FBS if they found the right fit - the MAC ain't it. Montana won't do it because Montana State can't make the jump. The Brawl of the Wild is basically a license to print money for both schools.
EWU said they need to upgrade their stadium. They got more people in their stadium last year more than what their capacity could hold. Plus, their fans do travel. They could be the next Boise if they could get themoney to upgrade.
They averaged 8300 this year after years and years of success and being the class of the big sky. They just approved a plan to remodel the stadium but are not adding any more seating capacity. On top of all that, the athletic department is running a $6 million deficit. Don't know where in all of that shows that they could be the next Boise or that their fans travel well (they don't).
When EWU went to the championship game that they won in Frisco, Texas against Sam Houston State? EWU fans outnumbered Sam Houston State when EWU won their championship. Just like Boise State and NDSU? Their fans are willing to head south during the winter months to get away from the snow. One of their games last year had more than 10,000 fans. Their seating is too small and would need to add more.
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
I refuse to vote in this poll. I don't think we need to add anyone, especially NC A&T, but it's not because they are an HBCU. They just don't offer the conference anything. If there was an HBCU out there that fit in our footprint and raised our conferences profile and worth, I'd be all for it.
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
I just hope some of the top FCS schools are included in some future NCAA Football game so those who wish can add them to the FBS.
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
(11-27-2019 08:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote: Should Sun Belt Conference Add North Carolina A&T for all sports? They are one of the better HBCUs around that is not hurting, and could compete in football better. They said they would like to go FBS.
We said that we'd look into it. We looked and we're happy where we are right now.
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
(11-30-2019 05:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote: (11-30-2019 11:56 AM)seaking4steel Wrote: David's out here trying to call us racists for not wanting A&T to move up.
I wouldn't mind them if they did, but NC already has too many FBS programs. A&T should join the SoCon.
I am not saying it as a racist thing. There are too much controversies with mismanagement of money and the academics which preventing several HBCU schools from competing in post season. There are/were several HBCUs in trouble.
Cheney who dropped sports.
Concordia, Alabama shut down.
Hiram Scott lost accreditation
Bennett College for girls just lost their's.
Saint Paul's closed.
Former D1 Morris Brown lost their accreditation.
Alabama State Losing Students
NC A&T, UNC Central, Texas Southern, Prairie View, Southern, Grambling, Alcorn, Florida A&M, Bethune-Cookman, Jackson State, Howard, Tennessee State. and Hampton U. at D1 still have large enrollment. Clark Atlanta and Albany State are the larger D2 schools. The rest of the HBCUs are in trouble. That is why the bigger names looking to move.
What bigger named HBCUs are looking to move? Who? Literally the only HBCU on this list that have moved has been Howard and Albany State is trying to get in position to grab a MEAC invite.
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
(11-30-2019 01:46 PM)seaking4steel Wrote: (11-30-2019 12:28 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: Different idea. With the success of the Sun Belt perhaps they should look into poaching CUSA.
SBC could add Charlotte and ODU from CUSA. They would be trading a division with Marshall, WKU, MT, FAU, FIU for one with App, Coastal, GaSo and GSU.
It's a much tighter configuration for them and smaller revenue split of 12 instead of 10. SBC I think would agree to it to help its perception.
This would also help CUSA bringing them back to 12 and moving UAB over to the east.
Easier than messing around with the legality of splitting into new geographic based conferences.[/i]
We want the Sun Belt to get better, not worse. If we poach C-USA, it better be USM and Marshall
Ouch. But at the moment at least I have no rebuttal.
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Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
Shame on you all for playing into DavidSt alternate facts...
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RE: Should The Sun Belt Conference Consider To Add NC A&T?
(12-05-2019 02:58 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote: (11-30-2019 05:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote: (11-30-2019 11:56 AM)seaking4steel Wrote: David's out here trying to call us racists for not wanting A&T to move up.
I wouldn't mind them if they did, but NC already has too many FBS programs. A&T should join the SoCon.
I am not saying it as a racist thing. There are too much controversies with mismanagement of money and the academics which preventing several HBCU schools from competing in post season. There are/were several HBCUs in trouble.
Cheney who dropped sports.
Concordia, Alabama shut down.
Hiram Scott lost accreditation
Bennett College for girls just lost their's.
Saint Paul's closed.
Former D1 Morris Brown lost their accreditation.
Alabama State Losing Students
NC A&T, UNC Central, Texas Southern, Prairie View, Southern, Grambling, Alcorn, Florida A&M, Bethune-Cookman, Jackson State, Howard, Tennessee State. and Hampton U. at D1 still have large enrollment. Clark Atlanta and Albany State are the larger D2 schools. The rest of the HBCUs are in trouble. That is why the bigger names looking to move.
What bigger named HBCUs are looking to move? Who? Literally the only HBCU on this list that have moved has been Howard and Albany State is trying to get in position to grab a MEAC invite.
What is Albany State doing to get a MEAC invite? I don't see any evidence they are going that direction. Albany State will be dropping men's cross country and men's golf at the end of this school year (both are MEAC sports) leaving them with 11 sports (4m/7w). They are also reducing scholarships and operational costs in remaining sports. The NCAA just put Albany State on probation for violations involving eight of their current sports.
http://asugoldenrams.com/news/2019/7/17/...grams.aspx
http://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/infracti...cision.pdf
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