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RE: So.Miss and Marshall to the Sun Belt
(11-28-2019 01:02 AM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Its hard to build a conference and rivalries when you may not play some teams in your conference for years. If we can’t split into two conference (my preference), its may be time to get creative.

One solution is add two teams and go to sixteen, split into four clusters and have a floating conference. Cluster A,B,C & D. “A” plays the three teams in their cluster every year, plus “B” and 1/2 of “C” one year. And Then the next year “A” would play The teams in their cluster plus “D” and the other 1/2 of “C”. The other clusters would follow suite. That way every team in the conference would play 9 conference games per year and in a two year period every team in CUSA will have played each other at least once. To satisfy NCAA we reset the conference division each year.

Some will say but we would have to slit the TV revenue by 16 instead of by 14. An old saying says “nothing from nothing leaves nothing you got to have something if you want me”.

The next question is which two teams would like to add?

You can play nine conference games without having to add any more members. However, I imagine that the current set up is to allow members flexibility to schedule money or attendance boosting games. I think that one intent of the current system is for the development of rivalries in that division. Designating one permanent cross division rival like the SEC may get closer to what you are wanting ; but, I figure that will be determined by ticket sales.

I think that it is unfortunate that some fans are blaming the conference for their teams lack of success or attendance. I think that the blame lies squarely on the athletic budget. If you want more, you need to spend more to get the facilities, coaches and amenities that attract the top athletes to your school.
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RE: So.Miss and Marshall to the Sun Belt
(11-27-2019 09:59 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 09:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 08:38 PM)Dusky Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 08:22 PM)Tintin Wrote:  See ya!!!!

Enjoy telling Monroe and Tx State how you were a flagship once as they beat you.

I’d miss Marshall but USM can eat a bag.

I’d love for someone to explain to me how you consider yourself a “flagship” when you’ve won the conference once in 15 years.

You are forgetting they beat Bama way back when. Also how they are the #1 draw in CUSA...yet Western has more tier 1 and tier2 TV games than any school in CUSA. More than twice the amount as USM. I forgot...before Thanksgiving is over one of them will tell you about their fan support. Then a visiting fan goes to Sr day in prefect weather with USM fighting for #1 in the west...

there might be 12k actual fans in the stands. Might be, but probably even less.

You would think flagship mean you are picked for TV games. And at least a little more than just competitive. Up till 3 years ago they were blaming all their problems on FAU and FIU and UNCC...

two have passed them up and UNCC is getting ready to. All 3 did not have a football program 15 years ago. Now its UTEP and ODU

STFU and stop being a ***** lol.... You talk about Envy? Just about every post on here your bashing So.Miss. Your damn right we brag about our History. Atleast we have history. WKU got history in D1AA. Congratulations... Yeah WKU is 3-0 against So. Miss congratulations! I'm happy for you. You wanna cookie?!

So. Miss and Marshall were once a dominate force in our conferences. Back when this conference was a GOOD G5 conference. This conference has essentially killed our program. All the programs outside of La Tech and Marshall we used to play and have history with are gone.

Our older fanbase don't have any interest in playing Western Kentucky. I know that Western Kentucky has a good football history. Most of our fan base don't.

The difference between So. Miss and Marshall fans and WKU fans is this. We HAVE history in FBS football. You have history in FCS football. Conference USA in its current format is the Best Thing to EVER Happen to WKU Football Charlotte, FIU or FAU football. The same current format is **** compared to what So. Miss and Marshall fans are use to playing in.

So. Miss and Marshall use to play in front of National TV now we're stuck streaming on ESPN +.. You damn right we're not happy about being in this conference.

This was great, really made my Thanksgiving morning.
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Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

Mods, let’s go ahead and move their infrastructure over to that league to help them out!
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I'm noticing NO MARSHALL fans chiming in. They're smarter than this. OMG.

Hello everyone, we're so much better than you we must be leaving!

Good grief.

I'm for merging C-USA and the Sunbelt into one political/geographical/competitive unit with a 4-team playoff. After 5 years, divisions can split-off, without penalty, like the Big East did, if they want.
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(11-28-2019 12:12 AM)MadEagle Wrote:  The truth is I would love to see CUSA do well. I want to see WKU, Charlotte and all the other schools do well. However, CUSA has killed what once was a good football program. Of course we didn't do ourselves any favors by hiring Ellis Johnson.

Conference USA 1996-2004 close to becoming what the AAC is now. So. Miss, Louisville, East Carolina and TCU were all apart of that. Louisville, TCU and Cincinnati leave. Louisville and Southern Miss had been football playing rivals for years, TCU and So. Miss had developed a good rivalry and to a lesser degree So. Miss and Cincinnati.

We replaced them with SMU, Tulsa, Marshall but come the next round of realignment we lose even more LONG Time Rivals meaning back to the 60s and 70s and in the case of Memphis 30s... Entire generations of So. Miss fans grew up with us playing these teams and in the blink of and eye it was gone. And since then our attendance is down. Most of our older fans don't even know how to find us on ESPN +... Our old rivals are on ESPN, ESPN 2 or ESPN every weekend now. Yeah it sucks watching that

We don't have much history with anyone In this league but Marshall and La Tech. But that La Tech rivalry was doormat between 91-2010.. Most younger So. Miss fans had never knew about the Rivalry in Dixie.


I'm sorry for being a jerk... But I wanna see our fans get interested in So. Miss Football again. And being apart of this conference isn't doing it. And leadership in this conference is Not doing its part to help it get better for any of us.

In other words, So. Miss is the little brother that the older brother and his friends let hang around to make lil’ bro feel good. When the older brother and friends left for college lil’ bro realized he wasn’t crap without them so he had to tell everybody how important he was. That led to lil’ bro getting his butt whipped often. Now lil’ bro misses the times where he felt important because he could live off of the coattails of older brother. Maybe if he moves he can start fresh in a new city where somebody might believe he’s important.
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I’m not exactly who these Southern Miss fans are you’re listening to, but I’ve heard zero talk among the fanbase of going to the SB.
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(11-28-2019 08:35 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  I'm noticing NO MARSHALL fans chiming in. They're smarter than this. OMG.

Hello everyone, we're so much better than you we must be leaving!

Good grief.

I'm for merging C-USA and the Sunbelt into one political/geographical/competitive unit with a 4-team playoff.After 5 years, divisions can split-off, without penalty, like the Big East did, if they want.
That would be ideal, and I think inevitable in 3-5 years. And make no mistake the SBC schools will be in better position to negotiate.
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Lol....
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(11-28-2019 09:18 AM)FrankyP Wrote:  
(11-28-2019 08:35 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  I'm noticing NO MARSHALL fans chiming in. They're smarter than this. OMG.

Hello everyone, we're so much better than you we must be leaving!

Good grief.

I'm for merging C-USA and the Sunbelt into one political/geographical/competitive unit with a 4-team playoff.After 5 years, divisions can split-off, without penalty, like the Big East did, if they want.
That would be ideal, and I think inevitable in 3-5 years. And make no mistake the SBC schools will be in better position to negotiate.

That’s ridiculous, there is one good team in the belt. Why is this board filled with every team’s masochist fans?
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Lol at this thread.

Imagine hearing the opinions of some random internet message board poster and assuming those views represents the majority of their entire fan base.
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(11-27-2019 11:41 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  The Sun Belt has already surpassed CUSA so if we can get USM and Marshal y'all would be sunk. Markets....lol.
Were you an Enron exec? Lack of business knowledge seems familiar.

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(11-27-2019 11:46 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Of course history matters. That's why every school in the Sun Belt would sprint to open the door for USM or Marshall. With the right motivation those schools would be scary good. I see a lot of big talk about potential at certain schools. Potential is History's retarded step brother. You can brag about either, but only one really matters
I think a survey of Presidents may surprise you.

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Lol... Anarchy on Thanksgiving.... Happy Thanksgiving folks
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(11-28-2019 10:09 AM)MadEagle Wrote:  Lol... Anarchy on Thanksgiving.... Happy Thanksgiving folks

Interesting reactions for sure. Very sensitive folks here, 03-lmfao03-lmfao
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(11-27-2019 11:20 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:15 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:13 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:46 PM)NinerAlum18 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 09:59 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  STFU and stop being a b! Tch lol.... You talk about Envy? Just about every post on here your bashing So.Miss. Your damn right we brag about our History. Atleast we have history. WKU got history in D1AA. Congratulations... Yeah WKU is 3-0 against So. Miss congratulations! I'm happy for you. You wanna cookie?!

So. Miss and Marshall were once a dominate force in our conferences. Back when this conference was a GOOD G5 conference. This conference has essentially killed our program. All the programs outside of La Tech and Marshall we used to play and have history with are gone.

Our older fanbase don't have any interest in playing Western Kentucky. I know that Western Kentucky has a good football history. Most of our fan base don't.

The difference between So. Miss and Marshall fans and WKU fans is this. We HAVE history in FBS football. You have history in FCS football. Conference USA in its current format is the Best Thing to EVER Happen to WKU Football Charlotte, FIU or FAU football. The same current format is sh! T compared to what So. Miss and Marshall fans are use to playing in.

So. Miss and Marshall use to play in front of National TV now we're stuck streaming on ESPN +.. You damn right we're not happy about being in this conference.
I'd be unhappy too if I was getting beaten by schools that didn't have football 15 years ago too

That's exactly what we're unhappy about. Not being relevant to college football.

I fixed that for you.

My point exactly your not relevant to college football

Southern Miss hasn't really been relevant since Fedora left. Not really any other way to put it. Would moving to the Sun Belt really make your relevant on a bigger stage? Or is it more about rivalries with teams like Louisiana and Troy?
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I think marshal and southern miss see how easy app has had it, and are tired of all these startups kicking their ass
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USM and Marshall are not going to the Sun Belt. But if they did, C-USA is not going to backfill their spots. But if we did, you can bet the best teams in the Sun Belt would be looking to come to C-USA. Don't believe it? Well look at history--apparently that is what matters.
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The article in the first post points out that the SBC with only 10 teams, does better financially. But not by a lot. They are smart to remain at 10 unless they can attract a couple of programs like LT, USM, UAB or Marshall. Can't really blame fans of schools like that with some good history for wanting out of this iteration of C-USA. I wonder though if a better solution would be for C-USA to have some strong leadership to build a consensus among the conference presidents to put more emphasis on building strong football programs. The SBC did this very well.

Maybe C-USA could give a school like UTEP an ultimatum similar to what the BE did to Temple years ago. Get your football program in shape within a certain time period or adios.

Another possibility for schools like USM, Marshall, UAB and LT would be to join with those they want to be associated with in a new conference. Then request a waiver for auto bids to ncaa tournaments. Those 4 along with App St, Ga Southern, Troy, Ark St, ULL and whoever else fits their criteria would make a solid football conference. I don't think any configuration of schools in the SBC and C-USA is going to get them the old feeling of great value they had back in the early days of C-USA but they can at least try. Then the rest of us (10 schools remaining) can get the message and start working on improving all our athletic teams.
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(11-28-2019 10:34 AM)NinerAlum18 Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:20 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:15 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 11:13 PM)MadEagle Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 10:46 PM)NinerAlum18 Wrote:  I'd be unhappy too if I was getting beaten by schools that didn't have football 15 years ago too

That's exactly what we're unhappy about. Not being relevant to college football.

I fixed that for you.

My point exactly your not relevant to college football

Southern Miss hasn't really been relevant since Fedora left. Not really any other way to put it. Would moving to the Sun Belt really make your relevant on a bigger stage? Or is it more about rivalries with teams like Louisiana and Troy?

I think Louisiana would really enjoy having them in the same conference and a great rivalry would develop.
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We just hate the Judy show. Yes, we have sucked recently. That's hardly the point, though. The leadership of this conference seems purposely bad. That's the entire point.

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