(11-27-2019 08:40 AM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 08:30 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  I have no reason based on track record to believe we will win this game...and Coppin State stinks. Dudley was talking about Rowe being coach next year when arena opens and it made me cringe.

Why do Dudley and Dave Thomas repeatedly go out of their way to say that Rowe will be opening the stadium next season? Obviously he is our current coach and is under contract through the 20-21 season, but the odds of his opening the stadium were not very high after last season and coming into this season. To me, it is far from a sure thing.

It concerns me that with their connections to the admin, the admin has already made up their minds. Hopefully I am just overanalyzing it. They can just say that they are excited for the opening of the new stadium.

Does Dave Thomas still have an afternoon talk show on espn radio Harrisonburg? Does anyone ever call in and complain about the basketball program, or is basketball never discussed because no one cares? I may have to call in.

Why?

1) They get paid directly or indirectly from JMU.
2) Out of respect for Lou.

At this point they have screwed up what could of been for next year. They are promoting and selling tickets now for the new arena. The new arena was the opportunity the program needed. It was not easy, but they have killed what we could of had right now leading into the new arena. I believe the state of the men's program will cost us at least 2,000 fans a game next year. There's no Lefty's out there to rescue us at this point. Does anyone really have confidence these same decision makers can find someone solid?

I don't think you make a move mid-season for issues on the court with Lou as head coach. I'm sure many will say more patience is needed, and at this point it's the only option because we screwed up majorly 4 years ago, and we screwed up last year when we had one last chance.

Follow this logic -

Paid a search firm (who knows how much how much we paid them).

We fired Brady to hire one of his prior assistants.

Of course the admin supporters will soon be posting - No quality coaches want to coach JMU Men's basketball, or it takes a new coach 7 -8 years to succeed.

(11-27-2019 06:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:48 AM)JMUPride Wrote:  I'm sorry but after watching that 2nd half against Coppin St (one of the worst 2nd halves I've ever seen), we absolutely need a new coach going into the new arena next year... We need to start fresh and not come in with the stench of that kind of coaching...

Embarrassing

This team will not be as bad as last night this year and I still believe they will finish over 500, but the admin has totally screwed up these last 4 years heading into a new arena. I've continued to say it, and it's played out as anyone should of expected by who they hired and retained. They hired someone everyone liked, but had no proven coaching experience/success. You can't tell me this was not an attractive coaching position coming into a new arena, and proven fan support shown in Football, Women's basketball, and softball.

We should not be in a need of a "fresh start" heading into a new arena. We blew this one. NO way we maximize ticket sales next year. Sucks the way they handled this.

Big fat "F" on how they managed Men's basketball.

Dude.

It’s been 25 yrs. you expected something else?

(11-27-2019 09:00 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 06:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:48 AM)JMUPride Wrote:  I'm sorry but after watching that 2nd half against Coppin St (one of the worst 2nd halves I've ever seen), we absolutely need a new coach going into the new arena next year... We need to start fresh and not come in with the stench of that kind of coaching...

Embarrassing

This team will not be as bad as last night this year and I still believe they will finish over 500, but the admin has totally screwed up these last 4 years heading into a new arena. I've continued to say it, and it's played out as anyone should of expected by who they hired and retained. They hired someone everyone liked, but had no proven coaching experience/success. You can't tell me this was not an attractive coaching position coming into a new arena, and proven fan support shown in Football, Women's basketball, and softball.

We should not be in a need of a "fresh start" heading into a new arena. We blew this one. NO way we maximize ticket sales next year. Sucks the way they handled this.

Big fat "F" on how they managed Men's basketball.

Dude.

It’s been 25 yrs. you expected something else?

Expecting - no

Hoping and praying - yes

Redskins and JMU Basketball have been very similar in a lot of ways the last couple decades.

Still standing by my argument that we could have easily made up the extra year of his buy-out in increased ticket sales by bringing someone new in this year. Right now we're averaging about 2k in attendance...and I'd bet 98% of those are season tickets. We are drowning in unsold tickets. We can't even keep the lights on with that many tickets sold. I really really hope this team can turn it around, because if not, everyone will buy a single game ticket to the UVA game next year and that'll be it, new coach or not.

(11-27-2019 09:10 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Still standing by my argument that we could have easily made up the extra year of his buy-out in increased ticket sales by bringing someone new in this year. Right now we're averaging about 2k in attendance...and I'd bet 98% of those are season tickets. We are drowning in unsold tickets. We can't even keep the lights on with that many tickets sold. I really really hope this team can turn it around, because if not, everyone will buy a single game ticket to the UVA game next year and that'll be it, new coach or not.

Penny wise, dollar foolish.

(11-27-2019 09:10 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Still standing by my argument that we could have easily made up the extra year of his buy-out in increased ticket sales by bringing someone new in this year. Right now we're averaging about 2k in attendance...and I'd bet 98% of those are season tickets. We are drowning in unsold tickets. We can't even keep the lights on with that many tickets sold. I really really hope this team can turn it around, because if not, everyone will buy a single game ticket to the UVA game next year and that'll be it, new coach or not.

Preaching to the choir.
I said it last year. Rowe needed to go. Why? He had plenty of time to prove himself.
We needed to give a new coach a year of growing pains. This year would have made perfect sense. Struggle but show signs of improvement and excite the fan base in year two. Year two of coaching hire would be year 1 of the new arena and would have worked perfectly.
Instead we may be setting a new guy up for an uphill battle. Growing pains will happen with any coach and now the guy will have to deal with added pressure of being successful in his first year.

But all of this talk is pointless, because here's what I fear will actually happen. Rowe will win enough for the admin to say he's not bad enough to fire. Next year will be just like this one, but this time it will be in the new arena. The arena will be empty come CAA play and it will 100% be the admin's fault.
It will take years for them to recover and will result in a lot of lost money. The admin deserves what's coming to them, because it's going to hurt them big time. All because they wanted to save some money. Well they are about to lose a LOT of money and completely ruin what should have been the perfect opportunity to bring fans back.

They have ruined this program and unless they wake up and make an epic hire there may be no light at the end of the tunnel for them.

(11-27-2019 08:41 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 06:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:48 AM)JMUPride Wrote:  I'm sorry but after watching that 2nd half against Coppin St (one of the worst 2nd halves I've ever seen), we absolutely need a new coach going into the new arena next year... We need to start fresh and not come in with the stench of that kind of coaching...

Embarrassing

This team will not be as bad as last night this year and I still believe they will finish over 500, but the admin has totally screwed up these last 4 years heading into a new arena. I've continued to say it, and it's played out as anyone should of expected by who they hired and retained. They hired someone everyone liked, but had no proven coaching experience/success. You can't tell me this was not an attractive coaching position coming into a new arena, and proven fan support shown in Football, Women's basketball, and softball.

We should not be in a need of a "fresh start" heading into a new arena. We blew this one. NO way we maximize ticket sales next year. Sucks the way they handled this.

Big fat "F" on how they managed Men's basketball.

Was it the coaches fault that we couldn't make a basket? 0 for 15 3 pointers in second half?

In a sense, yea.

If they can only shoot them but not make them do 1 of 2 things:

Practice more

Stop shooting them all damn day. Its not like there aren’t other ways to get a basket here and there.

But congrats to JMU MBB, we’ll be an entry in yet another programs media guide.
First win in more than half a decade! Impressive!

(11-27-2019 09:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:00 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 06:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:48 AM)JMUPride Wrote:  I'm sorry but after watching that 2nd half against Coppin St (one of the worst 2nd halves I've ever seen), we absolutely need a new coach going into the new arena next year... We need to start fresh and not come in with the stench of that kind of coaching...

Embarrassing

This team will not be as bad as last night this year and I still believe they will finish over 500, but the admin has totally screwed up these last 4 years heading into a new arena. I've continued to say it, and it's played out as anyone should of expected by who they hired and retained. They hired someone everyone liked, but had no proven coaching experience/success. You can't tell me this was not an attractive coaching position coming into a new arena, and proven fan support shown in Football, Women's basketball, and softball.

We should not be in a need of a "fresh start" heading into a new arena. We blew this one. NO way we maximize ticket sales next year. Sucks the way they handled this.

Big fat "F" on how they managed Men's basketball.

Dude.

It’s been 25 yrs. you expected something else?

Expecting - no

Hoping and praying - yes

Redskins and JMU Basketball have been very similar in a lot of ways the last couple decades.

Egads. Hadn’t thought of that.

For the record: it was NOT me who brought up the hapless Washington football club...

this time, anyway

(11-27-2019 09:17 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Penny wise, dollar foolish.

*steps out of GOAT HCLR head cheerleader costume*
I’ve been saying the above for years. Some people don’t have long-term goals in mind in their decision-making because they’re no longer here for the future long-term. Now it’s just a matter of hiring “bargain” coaches so that year’s ledger balances nicely. Soon, they can start fishing for lucrative retirement gigs with all the political connections they’ve made in their JMU job...

(11-27-2019 09:57 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:00 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 06:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:48 AM)JMUPride Wrote:  I'm sorry but after watching that 2nd half against Coppin St (one of the worst 2nd halves I've ever seen), we absolutely need a new coach going into the new arena next year... We need to start fresh and not come in with the stench of that kind of coaching...

Embarrassing

This team will not be as bad as last night this year and I still believe they will finish over 500, but the admin has totally screwed up these last 4 years heading into a new arena. I've continued to say it, and it's played out as anyone should of expected by who they hired and retained. They hired someone everyone liked, but had no proven coaching experience/success. You can't tell me this was not an attractive coaching position coming into a new arena, and proven fan support shown in Football, Women's basketball, and softball.

We should not be in a need of a "fresh start" heading into a new arena. We blew this one. NO way we maximize ticket sales next year. Sucks the way they handled this.

Big fat "F" on how they managed Men's basketball.

Dude.

It’s been 25 yrs. you expected something else?

Expecting - no

Hoping and praying - yes

Redskins and JMU Basketball have been very similar in a lot of ways the last couple decades.

Egads. Hadn’t thought of that.

For the record: it was NOT me who brought up the hapless Washington football club...

this time, anyway

At least the Redskins aren't dumb enough to hire alums over and over again.
JMU MBB is the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

(11-27-2019 08:41 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 06:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:48 AM)JMUPride Wrote:  I'm sorry but after watching that 2nd half against Coppin St (one of the worst 2nd halves I've ever seen), we absolutely need a new coach going into the new arena next year... We need to start fresh and not come in with the stench of that kind of coaching...

Embarrassing

This team will not be as bad as last night this year and I still believe they will finish over 500, but the admin has totally screwed up these last 4 years heading into a new arena. I've continued to say it, and it's played out as anyone should of expected by who they hired and retained. They hired someone everyone liked, but had no proven coaching experience/success. You can't tell me this was not an attractive coaching position coming into a new arena, and proven fan support shown in Football, Women's basketball, and softball.

We should not be in a need of a "fresh start" heading into a new arena. We blew this one. NO way we maximize ticket sales next year. Sucks the way they handled this.

Big fat "F" on how they managed Men's basketball.

Was it the coaches fault that we couldn't make a basket? 0 for 15 3 pointers in second half?

Yes, ultimately it is.

(11-27-2019 09:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:00 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 06:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:48 AM)JMUPride Wrote:  I'm sorry but after watching that 2nd half against Coppin St (one of the worst 2nd halves I've ever seen), we absolutely need a new coach going into the new arena next year... We need to start fresh and not come in with the stench of that kind of coaching...

Embarrassing

This team will not be as bad as last night this year and I still believe they will finish over 500, but the admin has totally screwed up these last 4 years heading into a new arena. I've continued to say it, and it's played out as anyone should of expected by who they hired and retained. They hired someone everyone liked, but had no proven coaching experience/success. You can't tell me this was not an attractive coaching position coming into a new arena, and proven fan support shown in Football, Women's basketball, and softball.

We should not be in a need of a "fresh start" heading into a new arena. We blew this one. NO way we maximize ticket sales next year. Sucks the way they handled this.

Big fat "F" on how they managed Men's basketball.

Dude.

It’s been 25 yrs. you expected something else?

Expecting - no

Hoping and praying - yes

Redskins and JMU Basketball have been very similar in a lot of ways the last couple decades.

I think of this analogy often. With the Redskins, it's the common denominator of the Evil One, Daniel Snyder.

Is there a common denominator w/ the men's program? I believe there are several...and ALL should be excluded from the next search/hire!

(11-27-2019 10:24 AM)olddawg Wrote:  I think of this analogy often. With the Redskins, it's the common denominator of the Evil One, Daniel Snyder.

Is there a common denominator w/ the men's program? I believe there are several...and ALL should be excluded from the next search/hire!

Yeah the same McDonalds Diet Coke will be at the table, ensuring we don’t hire a coach that exceeds our tiny ticket revenue. Because that ticket revenue is all we know & any hope to fill the new arena is just a dream. Forget that hiring a quality coach can *GASP* change that revenue line. His perspective: guys I gave you all a competitive football salary, so MBB is where I take some!

(11-27-2019 10:24 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:03 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 09:00 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 06:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 01:48 AM)JMUPride Wrote:  I'm sorry but after watching that 2nd half against Coppin St (one of the worst 2nd halves I've ever seen), we absolutely need a new coach going into the new arena next year... We need to start fresh and not come in with the stench of that kind of coaching...

Embarrassing

This team will not be as bad as last night this year and I still believe they will finish over 500, but the admin has totally screwed up these last 4 years heading into a new arena. I've continued to say it, and it's played out as anyone should of expected by who they hired and retained. They hired someone everyone liked, but had no proven coaching experience/success. You can't tell me this was not an attractive coaching position coming into a new arena, and proven fan support shown in Football, Women's basketball, and softball.

We should not be in a need of a "fresh start" heading into a new arena. We blew this one. NO way we maximize ticket sales next year. Sucks the way they handled this.

Big fat "F" on how they managed Men's basketball.

Dude.

It’s been 25 yrs. you expected something else?

Expecting - no

Hoping and praying - yes

Redskins and JMU Basketball have been very similar in a lot of ways the last couple decades.

I think of this analogy often. With the Redskins, it's the common denominator of the Evil One, Daniel Snyder.

Is there a common denominator w/ the men's program? I believe there are several...and ALL should be excluded from the next search/hire!

Pure speculation, but perhaps its King not wanting to spend the money on a coach?
I don't blame Bourne, because almost every other program (except baseball) has made really great hires.
MBB is a mess right now and bringing in an alum with zero head coaching experience and success is NOT the way to turn a program around.
They need to hire a guy with experience as a head coach in college AND has a history of success (more than one or even two years at least).

King is definitely a common denominator

(11-27-2019 10:32 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(11-27-2019 10:24 AM)olddawg Wrote:  I think of this analogy often. With the Redskins, it's the common denominator of the Evil One, Daniel Snyder.

Is there a common denominator w/ the men's program? I believe there are several...and ALL should be excluded from the next search/hire!

Yeah the same McDonalds Diet Coke will be at the table, ensuring we don’t hire a coach that exceeds our tiny ticket revenue. Because that ticket revenue is all we know & any hope to fill the new arena is just a dream. Forget that hiring a quality coach can *GASP* change that revenue line. His perspective: guys I gave you all a competitive football salary, so MBB is where I take some!

loooooooooooooooooooooool MCDs

Trying to be the voice of reason here (and it's not easy with the pack mentality): In last night's game, Coppin played two fifth year seniors in the Robinson twins, a fifth year player in McKnight, and two fourth year juniors in Clayton and Thomas. They also started a 7-1 center that caused JMU problems inside. Yes, it was a bad loss, but if someone took the time to watch the game, Coppin played at a high level. The Robinson twins shot 10 for 20 from three point range, with many of those incredibly deep behind the line. This same Coppin team took JMU to overtime a year ago, if you'll recall.

JMU's team with the current players has never really had expectations or established a winning culture. They're also a team of 13 players, with 7 of those freshman. Learn from the loss and move on. One can argue that there's more parity in college basketball than ever before. Evansville beat Kentucky and SF Austin beat Duke, both when those teams were ranked no. 1, with the latter happening last night.

I'm sorry but did you really just make the argument that people shouldn't be upset with how last night went because Coppin State is a good team? GTFO

(11-27-2019 10:53 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Trying to be the voice of reason here (and it's not easy with the pack mentality): In last night's game, Coppin played two fifth year seniors in the Robinson twins, a fifth year player in McKnight, and two fourth year juniors in Clayton and Thomas. They also started a 7-1 center that caused JMU problems inside. Yes, it was a bad loss, but if someone took the time to watch the game, Coppin played at a high level. The Robinson twins shot 10 for 20 from three point range, with many of those incredibly deep behind the line. This same Coppin team took JMU to overtime a year ago, if you'll recall.

JMU's team with the current players has never really had expectations or established a winning culture. They're also a team of 13 players, with 7 of those freshman. Learn from the loss and move on. One can argue that there's more parity in college basketball than ever before. Evansville beat Kentucky and SF Austin beat Duke, both when those teams were ranked no. 1, with the latter happening last night.

Coppin State was 5-25 last year. When a 5 win team plays at a high level against you, it doesn't say much about JMU does it?
And as for this year, we were supposed to be much better. As a result, a Coppin State team that lost by 32 to VT beat us by 16. Their other two wins were against Cornell (2 points) and Loyola (4 points).
Teams have good games against us for a reason. It's not like Coppin State is magically a good team. We have a poorly coached team that allows teams night after night to have great shooting nights. It's not like the Convo is magic and opposing teams just magically shoot lights out. We aren't playing well enough on defense plain and simple.

(11-27-2019 10:53 AM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Trying to be the voice of reason here (and it's not easy with the pack mentality): In last night's game, Coppin played two fifth year seniors in the Robinson twins, a fifth year player in McKnight, and two fourth year juniors in Clayton and Thomas. They also started a 7-1 center that caused JMU problems inside. Yes, it was a bad loss, but if someone took the time to watch the game, Coppin played at a high level. The Robinson twins shot 10 for 20 from three point range, with many of those incredibly deep behind the line. This same Coppin team took JMU to overtime a year ago, if you'll recall.

JMU's team with the current players has never really had expectations or established a winning culture. They're also a team of 13 players, with 7 of those freshman. Learn from the loss and move on. One can argue that there's more parity in college basketball than ever before. Evansville beat Kentucky and SF Austin beat Duke, both when those teams were ranked no. 1, with the latter happening last night.

'84

Sorry voice of reason is not about one half of basketball or about one team hot and the other not for 10 minutes. These are recurring themes for Men's basketball. This is about last off season, 4 seasons ago, and two decades & head coach selections.

Going to the patience line and saying it's a long season and there will always be ups and down is not addressing and acknowledging the issues. It's the reason we have been where we are for over the last two decades.