(11-25-2019 07:45 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 06:32 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 05:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:00 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  So you're going to hire Randy Shannon?

If Strong is indeed fired, I would expect his name to come up.

USF is REALLY big about hiring coaches who are APR masters and run a clean program. Randy did that at one of the hardest schools to be clean. He got through the entire investigation without ANY indication he did anything wrong.

then, if you look at his record, he won there. Just not up to the level they wanted, and lets be honest... nobody in the past 20 years has really done well at Miami.... but he had a damn fine defensive line at UF and honestly, UCFs strongest aspect is their D.
He REALLY does well on making certain all the fundamentals are down. His players tackle well, play their assignments well and have phenominal gap coverage.

Some question if hes the best guy to lead a program, but not many question his ability as a DC.... so, ya, I think he gets looked at really hard.

I personally like the guy and he used to pull in premier players out of Miami. If we got the right OC and DC with him, held on to King as our QB coach and then brought in some USF alumni who have coaching experience, I think we could turn this around.

I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

Randy Shannon, no thank you. If we're going the retread route, I'd rather have Willie Taggart. He had things absolutely rolling on offense and overall. He handed the keys off to Strong, who promptly ran it into a ditch. And before you say it was all on Quinton Flowers and Marlon Mack, guess who recruited Flowers and Mack...Willie Taggart. And Tags would find us another QF and MM.

Why couldn’t he find FSU a QF or MM?

Because he literally just got there last year

TIL December 5, 2017 was "last year."

Rehiring Taggart would kill what little booster support we have. Gonzmart would never sign off on it.

USFFan

(11-25-2019 12:29 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 08:23 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 08:14 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 10:41 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  I doubt he will be fired. Buyout too much, which would delay USF's IPF. His buyout is 5 million which is too much to fire a coach who is above 500.

$5 Million is just a Fixed Opportunity Cost in the mind of a professional Economist or Financier trying to run a business. It's already spent, it's already gone.

You can keep pouring good money after bad money, or just swallow your lumps and invest in a new product that will generate a Net Present Value greater than $5M.

Memphis literally did it overnight by firing Tubby Smith and hiring Penny Hardaway. We were below 6,000 average attendance mandated by the Memphis Grizzlies to play in the FedEx Forum and paying them $800,000 for falling below their minimum average attendance. Now we're back to 16,000+ crowds. Tubby's Buyout problem solved in one season. It was a Fixed Opportunity Cost to sweep away and move on to run a Financially successful business.

Agree, USF's attendance is plummeting under under Strong. USF can't afford not to fire him or the fan base will revolt.

I don't think five or six of us with torches and pitchforks is going to scare USF administration at all...

That's what the British thought during the American Revolutionary War.

Did Matt Grothe ever get into coaching? I'd love to start beating his ass again.

(11-25-2019 10:47 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Did Matt Grothe ever get into coaching? I'd love to start beating his ass again.

Matt for the first time has publicly stated he would like to come back and coach.... so we will see.

It would be nice to have the all time yardage record holder of the Big East coaching.

(11-25-2019 02:36 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

Why would Blackwell leave UH as the Co-OC/QB coach to be the USF RB coach?

If he is going to leave one dumpster fire for another....I would imagine he would want to be the HC or just stay where he is.

I forgot he got promoted up. There was talk of him coming home when he was with the Zips... hes climbing the charts. Both he and Larry Scott would make good OCs.... and he might come back to be THE OC instead of Co-OC.

Id just like to get some USF blood in here. Its hard going from Leavitt, who lived, ate and breathed USF to the last three coaches who were paycheck only guys.

(11-25-2019 09:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 07:45 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 06:32 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 05:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 02:07 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If Strong is indeed fired, I would expect his name to come up.

USF is REALLY big about hiring coaches who are APR masters and run a clean program. Randy did that at one of the hardest schools to be clean. He got through the entire investigation without ANY indication he did anything wrong.

then, if you look at his record, he won there. Just not up to the level they wanted, and lets be honest... nobody in the past 20 years has really done well at Miami.... but he had a damn fine defensive line at UF and honestly, UCFs strongest aspect is their D.
He REALLY does well on making certain all the fundamentals are down. His players tackle well, play their assignments well and have phenominal gap coverage.

Some question if hes the best guy to lead a program, but not many question his ability as a DC.... so, ya, I think he gets looked at really hard.

I personally like the guy and he used to pull in premier players out of Miami. If we got the right OC and DC with him, held on to King as our QB coach and then brought in some USF alumni who have coaching experience, I think we could turn this around.

I think Shannon as HC and maybe Larry Scott as OC, keep Shaun King and move him to QB coach and bring Blackwell in to coach RBs, it could be a good combination. Even heard that the legend himself Matt Grothe is interested in coming to work at USF. Kid is a legend and Id love to see him on the sidelines.

Randy Shannon, no thank you. If we're going the retread route, I'd rather have Willie Taggart. He had things absolutely rolling on offense and overall. He handed the keys off to Strong, who promptly ran it into a ditch. And before you say it was all on Quinton Flowers and Marlon Mack, guess who recruited Flowers and Mack...Willie Taggart. And Tags would find us another QF and MM.

Why couldn’t he find FSU a QF or MM?

Because he literally just got there last year

TIL December 5, 2017 was "last year."

Rehiring Taggart would kill what little booster support we have. Gonzmart would never sign off on it.

USFFan

OK, last year plus 26 additional days.

Joey Freshwater after the Big boys pass on him.

Randy S is not going to USF as HC. If he did he would not be cheap, he makes 1M at UCF as DC without the stress of HC.

UCF and USF should not hire it other DCs, but it would be nice to return the favor to USF.

As a UCF fan I would not want Lane K. at USF, he can coach and recruit. Doubt could run a clean program long term though.

I'm not lucky enough for Randy Shannon to get the USF job. I've got a better chance of winning the Powerball and hiring Urban Meyer and Coach K to come to UCF.

(11-26-2019 11:25 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 09:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 07:45 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 06:32 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 05:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Randy Shannon, no thank you. If we're going the retread route, I'd rather have Willie Taggart. He had things absolutely rolling on offense and overall. He handed the keys off to Strong, who promptly ran it into a ditch. And before you say it was all on Quinton Flowers and Marlon Mack, guess who recruited Flowers and Mack...Willie Taggart. And Tags would find us another QF and MM.

Why couldn’t he find FSU a QF or MM?

Because he literally just got there last year

TIL December 5, 2017 was "last year."

Rehiring Taggart would kill what little booster support we have. Gonzmart would never sign off on it.

USFFan

OK, last year plus 26 additional days.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Willie Taggart was the coach at Florida State from December 5, 2017 to November 3, 2019. That was 698 days (essentially 100 weeks), which is why it's disingenuous to suggest that he was given less than a year to fix things. He effectively had 2.5 recruiting cycles - the #11 ranked class (per 247) in 2018, the #19 ranked class in 2019 and what ranks as the #18 class in 2020. The best he was able to do was get Alex Hornibrook or Jordan Travis to transfer in. That ship had sailed.

USFFan

(11-23-2019 09:48 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Bring back Willie.

Goodbye, Charlie.

Thank you, Memphis, for helping us get rid of Charlie!!!

I hope you're joking. Both coaches success was due to catching lighting in a bottle at the QB position. That's why both of them are flopping everywhere they go.

(11-26-2019 04:56 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(11-23-2019 09:48 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Bring back Willie.

Goodbye, Charlie.

Thank you, Memphis, for helping us get rid of Charlie!!!

I hope you're joking. Both coaches success was due to catching lighting in a bottle at the QB position. That's why both of them are flopping everywhere they go.

Welcome to UCF under GOL. We typically had the best team in CUSA or certainly a top 1-3 team, but garbage QB play led to awful years. Every year that we got good QB play, we won the conference (except 2012 when the refs jobbed us at Tulsa). Every bad season was from **** QB play and nothing else.

I'd like to vote for Charlie to stay

(11-26-2019 02:05 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  As a UCF fan I would not want Lane K. at USF, he can coach and recruit. Doubt could run a clean program long term though.

This

(11-24-2019 05:33 AM)jerrycoog92 Wrote:  How was he successful at Louisville and an utter failure everywhere else ?

Teddy Bridgewater

I never thought I'd say this, but if we're going to lose to UCF (highly likely), I'd rather just get blown out to get Charlie out of there faster. If he is competitive, or dare I say beats UCF, then USF might be inclined to let him stay another year.

(11-26-2019 08:36 PM)Crazier Wrote:  

(11-24-2019 05:33 AM)jerrycoog92 Wrote:  How was he successful at Louisville and an utter failure everywhere else ?

Teddy Bridgewater

Actually... Clint Hurtt.

(11-26-2019 02:04 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  Randy S is not going to USF as HC. If he did he would not be cheap, he makes 1M at UCF as DC without the stress of HC.

UCF and USF should not hire it other DCs, but it would be nice to return the favor to USF.

Shannon could potentially leave for a HC job, but it may be a little harder to get him since his son plays for UCF.

(11-27-2019 09:52 AM)Fatknight Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 02:04 PM)Sideshow2313 Wrote:  Randy S is not going to USF as HC. If he did he would not be cheap, he makes 1M at UCF as DC without the stress of HC.

UCF and USF should not hire it other DCs, but it would be nice to return the favor to USF.

Shannon could potentially leave for a HC job, but it may be a little harder to get him since his son plays for UCF.

We pay Charlie $2.6 million and gave him an extra $2.5 million retention bonus, for a three year average (2019-2021 of $3.5 million a year.... If we offered him, he would come. He was interviewed by USF before... and was on the short list to be our DC under Taggart.

Hes one name that has been mentioned.... theres a couple other really interesting ones, but honestly I havent heard Lane Kiffin.