(11-23-2019 10:42 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I think we could play perfect with our 100th best recruiting class and not get past the sweet 16. And that's fine. We haven't ended in the top 64 since 1980 so let's start there.

Probably but if Butler can make the championship game back to back years then surely Toledo sometime in the next 20 years can make a final 4 appearance

I'm actually on the FIRE Cullop train.

(11-25-2019 08:48 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  JUST WIN THE DAMN MAC!

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(11-25-2019 11:22 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I'm actually on the FIRE Cullop train.

With her WNIT championship I don’t think that can happen without a significant drop off.

They too played a good game vs ND


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(11-25-2019 08:48 AM)Springboromark Wrote:  JUST WIN THE DAMN MAC!

(11-25-2019 11:22 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I'm actually on the FIRE Cullop train.

The thing with that is, if Cullop leaves, the women start drawing 1,100 a game instead of 3,200. She has a hardcore following and means so much to the fans.

She also coaches in a top 10 RPI league with very good UB, CMU, and Ohio teams.

She also got us to the Dance and won the WNIT.

We would have to string together 3 or 4 sub .500 seasons together for that to happen.

I don't think the attendance will drop off that dramatically. Lady Rockets were good and drew well prior to Cullop before BG's run.

I just think Cullop had the ability to build off the WNIT run and the NCAA tournament appearance and can't. We play Dayton every year and can't seem to ever beat them, and Dayton doesn't even appear decent this year.

I think I might have higher expectations for the program now, but just seems stagnant as ever.

** I'm prolly also fueled by fire the house because TK, TC, and CC are all doing nothing for three marquee programs of the university and I'm too loyal to them.

(11-25-2019 05:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 11:22 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I'm actually on the FIRE Cullop train.

The thing with that is, if Cullop leaves, the women start drawing 1,100 a game instead of 3,200. She has a hardcore following and means so much to the fans.

She also coaches in a top 10 RPI league with very good UB, CMU, and Ohio teams.

She also got us to the Dance and won the WNIT.

We would have to string together 3 or 4 sub .500 seasons together for that to happen.

(11-26-2019 11:03 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I don't think the attendance will drop off that dramatically. Lady Rockets were good and drew well prior to Cullop before BG's run.

I just think Cullop had the ability to build off the WNIT run and the NCAA tournament appearance and can't. We play Dayton every year and can't seem to ever beat them, and Dayton doesn't even appear decent this year.

I think I might have higher expectations for the program now, but just seems stagnant as ever.

** I'm prolly also fueled by fire the house because TK, TC, and CC are all doing nothing for three marquee programs of the university and I'm too loyal to them.

(11-25-2019 05:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 11:22 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I'm actually on the FIRE Cullop train.

The thing with that is, if Cullop leaves, the women start drawing 1,100 a game instead of 3,200. She has a hardcore following and means so much to the fans.

She also coaches in a top 10 RPI league with very good UB, CMU, and Ohio teams.

She also got us to the Dance and won the WNIT.

We would have to string together 3 or 4 sub .500 seasons together for that to happen.

Rockets blew out Dayton in 2016 and 2017.

(11-26-2019 11:17 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(11-26-2019 11:03 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I don't think the attendance will drop off that dramatically. Lady Rockets were good and drew well prior to Cullop before BG's run.

I just think Cullop had the ability to build off the WNIT run and the NCAA tournament appearance and can't. We play Dayton every year and can't seem to ever beat them, and Dayton doesn't even appear decent this year.

I think I might have higher expectations for the program now, but just seems stagnant as ever.

** I'm prolly also fueled by fire the house because TK, TC, and CC are all doing nothing for three marquee programs of the university and I'm too loyal to them.

(11-25-2019 05:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 11:22 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I'm actually on the FIRE Cullop train.

The thing with that is, if Cullop leaves, the women start drawing 1,100 a game instead of 3,200. She has a hardcore following and means so much to the fans.

She also coaches in a top 10 RPI league with very good UB, CMU, and Ohio teams.

She also got us to the Dance and won the WNIT.

We would have to string together 3 or 4 sub .500 seasons together for that to happen.

Rockets blew out Dayton in 2016 and 2017.

Cant remember if it was one of those years, but I know at some point Dayton was ranked when we beat them

I believe UD women can barely draw 1000 to their games in a 13,000 seat arena.

When we have played Dayton it was for their kids day multiple times in front of 8,000 or so fans. So even if Dayton doesn't draw well for a succeeding program... When we have beaten them? It's been great wins in great environments.

(11-26-2019 11:03 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I don't think the attendance will drop off that dramatically. Lady Rockets were good and drew well prior to Cullop before BG's run.

I just think Cullop had the ability to build off the WNIT run and the NCAA tournament appearance and can't. We play Dayton every year and can't seem to ever beat them, and Dayton doesn't even appear decent this year.

I think I might have higher expectations for the program now, but just seems stagnant as ever.

** I'm prolly also fueled by fire the house because TK, TC, and CC are all doing nothing for three marquee programs of the university and I'm too loyal to them.

(11-25-2019 05:47 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-25-2019 11:22 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I'm actually on the FIRE Cullop train.

The thing with that is, if Cullop leaves, the women start drawing 1,100 a game instead of 3,200. She has a hardcore following and means so much to the fans.

She also coaches in a top 10 RPI league with very good UB, CMU, and Ohio teams.

She also got us to the Dance and won the WNIT.

We would have to string together 3 or 4 sub .500 seasons together for that to happen.

I really don't understand how the women's program didn't take a huge step forward after winning the WNIT. That alone should have been worth bringing in some more productive recruits, but we've had more than 1 season now where the incoming class was overmatched by MAC play (although this current freshmen class as a whole does seem to be an improvement over the past few). But, after winning the WNIT, I really thought we'd have our pick of the best incoming players to MAC programs. Instead, we either lost recruits that we did recruit to schools like CMU, Ball State & Buffalo (all of whom have leaped over us), or we weren't even recruiting those players in the first place (which makes me concerned that our apparent focus on fit with our "culture" is perhaps weighted a bit too heavily when making these recruiting decisions). But yeah--the Toledo women's bball program should be a perennial favorite to contend for a MAC title, and we aren't.

Average Attendance:
Fennelly: 2000, Ehlen: 2300, Cullop: 3500
Number of seasons over 3000/game: Fennelly: 1, Ehlen: 0, Cullop: 9 straight.

Now Fennelly's numbers are understated because he brought the program from near nil attendance to consistently over 2000 per game, and in a time where WBB was not as popular. But he still only had 1 season over 3k, in 1993-94, where attendance is listed at 4600. I don't understand the anomalous high number that season.

I have to attribute most of the increase from Ehlen to Cullop to how she has managed the program on and off the court. The Naama effect did not hurt either.

(11-26-2019 03:56 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Average Attendance:
Fennelly: 2000, Ehlen: 2300, Cullop: 3500
Number of seasons over 3000/game: Fennelly: 1, Ehlen: 0, Cullop: 9 straight.

Now Fennelly's numbers are understated because he brought the program from near nil attendance to consistently over 2000 per game, and in a time where WBB was not as popular. But he still only had 1 season over 3k, in 1993-94, where attendance is listed at 4600. I don't understand the anomalous high number that season.

I have to attribute most of the increase from Ehlen to Cullop to how she has managed the program on and off the court. The Naama effect did not hurt either.

Also during Fennelly's early years the women would play at 5:30 to start a double header with the men's teams and the guys would play at 8:00 pm on weekdays.

Fire up TK and Rockets!!!

(11-21-2019 11:16 PM)RocketJeff Wrote:  Athletics are operating in safe mode.

I agree! Under MOB's leadership, .500+ seasons are good enough. We can't win the big games either in BBall or Football. Both our tournament record and Bowl records in the past few years reflect this. Mediocre is OK

I look at the current Ohio State team - and recall how they got to where they are now. It all started with Tressel and his issues with trying to cover up the "chains for tats". They then went the route of how Toledo would handle it - they promoted former player and long-time assistant Luke Ficket to head coach. They went 6-6 and almost lost to - Toledo. Then Urban Meyer was found to be available - and they pulled the rug out from under Fickel. They kept him on board because he was a very good DC. Meyer took over and success started immediately. He eventually hired Greg Schiano as the possible replacement. Fickel left for his own gig as a HC again - at Cincinnati.

When Meyer decided his health concerns were real and potentially devastating - he retired. Schiano would have been the likely successor. Meyer decided to go with Ryan Day as his replacement - after naming him as the interim coach during his 3-game suspension. The hard decision was to by-pass Schiano and pick Day as the new head coach. Tough decisions are difficult and can be guy wrenching. Seems Ohio State made a pretty good decision.

if they had our Athletic Director - it is likely Fickel would be in his 9th season as the head coach of the Buckeyes - and the team would be averaging at least 3 losses per year and have as many appearances in the Football Championship as does Michigan...

Is it time to make the tough decisions? Do we have the personnel to know what a bad situation looks like - and is also ready to push the right buttons and make better decisions on who the head coach should be. I'm doubting it.