https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...f-rankings

"...Aresco took particular exception to No. 25 SMU's ranking behind No. 24 Appalachian State this week. He also disagreed with the Mustangs sitting behind No. 20 Boise State and two four-loss Power 5 teams, No. 22 Iowa State and No. 23 USC.

"We've been fighting what I think is a P5 preference," Aresco said. "We've been fighting it for years and we're fighting now a double standard when it comes to evaluating G5 teams....""

Absolutely well said Aresco! I love that last paragraph

Congratulations to Appalachian State and Boise State for their membership in the P5!

(11-20-2019 08:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Congratulations to Appalachian State and Boise State for their membership in the P5!

He's probably referring to App St.'s wins over the U of Carolina schools giving them credibility and Boise's win over FSU-east.

smart to get out in front of a "what if" scenario where the AAC gets passed up due to losing late vs losing early essentially.

(11-20-2019 08:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Congratulations to Appalachian State and Boise State for their membership in the P5!

He's probably referring to App St.'s wins over the U of Carolina schools giving them credibility and Boise's win over FSU-east.

Maybe. But I have no problem giving those teams credit for going on the road and playing tough games, and then winning them.

How did Florida State build credibility from being way outside the power structure? By going on the road and playing many "name" teams without expecting a home-and-home deal, and then winning a good share of those games. FSU played at Nebraska in 1980, 1981, 1985, and 1986 without the Huskers ever going to Tallahassee. They played 5 years in a row at LSU from 1979-1983. They also played at Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Michigan without getting those teams to play in Tallahassee. In 1981 the Noles had a stretch of 5 games in a row at Nebraska, at Ohio State, at Notre Dame, at Pitt, and at LSU.

(11-20-2019 08:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Congratulations to Appalachian State and Boise State for their membership in the P5!

He's probably referring to App St.'s wins over the U of Carolina schools giving them credibility and Boise's win over FSU-east.

Maybe. But I have no problem giving those teams credit for going on the road and playing tough games, and then winning them.

How did Florida State build credibility from being way outside the power structure? By going on the road and playing many "name" teams without expecting a home-and-home deal, and then winning a good share of those games. FSU played at Nebraska in 1980, 1981, 1985, and 1986 without the Huskers ever going to Tallahassee. They played 5 years in a row at LSU from 1979-1983. They also played at Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Michigan without getting those teams to play in Tallahassee. In 1981 the Noles had a stretch of 5 games in a row at Nebraska, at Ohio State, at Notre Dame, at Pitt, and at LSU.

Agreed.
UCF could do the exact same thing and they’d probably be in a P5 league soon.
Lucky for us they don’t want to do this and will stay in the AAC because of it for a long time.

(11-20-2019 08:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Congratulations to Appalachian State and Boise State for their membership in the P5!

Looking at best OOC win/loss for each:

First the Aresco Athletic
Memphis - 4-7 #73 Ole Miss, other wins #101 or lower, no OOC loss, loss to #45 Temple
Cincy - 7-3 # 55 Marshall. Also 4-6 #65 UCLA, #69 Miami (O). Loss #1 OSU
SMU - 5-5 #40 TCU. Also #74 Ark St, two other #111 +. no OOC, loss to #19 Memphis

Boise State - 6-5 #47 Florida State, #55 Marshall. Loss to #42 BYU

App State - 4-6 #58 UNC, #70 So Car, #104 Charlotte. Loss to #66 Ga Southern.



Best win based on Massey: SMU over TCU, followed closely by Boise over FSU, App over UNC.

Worst loss: App to #66 Ga Southern, Memphis to #45 Temple, Boise to #42 BYU


Maybe it should be SMU, Boise, App, Memphis, Cincy

Sounds like he’s worried the AAC is about to beat each other up to me.

(11-20-2019 08:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Congratulations to Appalachian State and Boise State for their membership in the P5!

It's mountain bias. The coastal and flat schools don't get the respect they clearly deserve.

Something is not right when five of the G5 is all bunched up between #18 to #25 in the CFP rankings.

How is Utah ranked #7 as a 9-1 team when they don't have a victory over anyone presently in the Top 25? The one loss came against USC who is in at #23.

Memphis has a Top 25 win in SMU and is only ranked #18. 9-1 and not getting a lot of respect for having a win over someone currently in the Top 25.

(11-20-2019 09:42 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Something is not right when five of the G5 is all bunched up between #18 to #25 in the CFP rankings.

How is Utah ranked #7 as a 9-1 team when they don't have a victory over anyone presently in the Top 25? The one loss came against USC who is in at #23.

Memphis has a Top 25 win in SMU and is only ranked #18. 9-1 and not getting a lot of respect for having a win over someone currently in the Top 25.

Because the rankings aren't based exclusively on what your best win of the season is.

(11-20-2019 09:46 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 09:42 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Something is not right when five of the G5 is all bunched up between #18 to #25 in the CFP rankings.

How is Utah ranked #7 as a 9-1 team when they don't have a victory over anyone presently in the Top 25? The one loss came against USC who is in at #23.

Memphis has a Top 25 win in SMU and is only ranked #18. 9-1 and not getting a lot of respect for having a win over someone currently in the Top 25.

Because the rankings aren't based exclusively on what your best win of the season is.

Best win is how the NCAA basketball seedings work.

It allows Gonzaga to be a #1 seed despite no challenge week in and out in the WCC.

Boise State have not given the love for 20 years. When they play in the big game? They beat their P5 opponent.

(11-20-2019 10:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State have not given the love for 20 years. When they play in the big game? They beat their P5 opponent.

(11-20-2019 09:42 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Something is not right when five of the G5 is all bunched up between #18 to #25 in the CFP rankings.

How is Utah ranked #7 as a 9-1 team when they don't have a victory over anyone presently in the Top 25? The one loss came against USC who is in at #23.

Memphis has a Top 25 win in SMU and is only ranked #18. 9-1 and not getting a lot of respect for having a win over someone currently in the Top 25.

This year had the most G5 teams ranked at the beginning of the CFP rankings. Most from the AAC. He should tamper his chastisement of CFP committee and not embarrass himself or the AAC further.

I posted this hours ago, lol.

And noted that the computers say Aresco is wrong.

Actually, the computers say Aresco has a point on SOS.

Memphis...SOS #77

UCF...SOS #82

Cinci....SOS #69

Boise....SOS #96

Appy St....SOS #115

Navy.....SOS #78

SMU....SOS #84

Temple...SOS #72

Seems to me Aresco has a very valid point.

Becasue the schedule has been so challenging, just for grins I looked up the Houston SOS. The Houston SOS is #44....I guess thats a factor in our crappy year. But what was really surprising to me is I never thought a G5 could get an SOS much below 66th since they play at least 8 G5 schools every year. Im very surprised in the #44 SOS because I honestly didnt think a G5 school could get a schedule that strong this late in the year---but Houston happened to draw most every good team in the AAC in a good year for the conference. I just thought that was interesting that a G5 could could have an SOS down in the 40's with only 2 games left.


https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

(11-21-2019 01:02 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Actually, the computers say Aresco has a point on SOS.

Memphis...SOS #77

UCF...SOS #82

Cinci....SOS #69

Boise....SOS #96

Appy St....SOS #115

Navy.....SOS #78

SMU....SOS #84

Temple...SOS #72

Seems to me Aresco has a very valid point.

Becasue the schedule has been so challenging, just for grins I looked up the Houston SOS. The Houston SOS is #44....I guess thats a factor in our crappy year. But what was really surprising to me is I never thought a G5 could get an SOS much below 66th since they play at least 8 G5 schools every year. Im very surprised in the #44 SOS because I honestly didnt think a G5 school could get a schedule that strong this late in the year---but Houston happened to draw most every good team in the AAC in a good year for the conference. I just thought that was interesting that a G5 could could have an SOS down in the 40's with only ....

Some of us have been telling you a G5 could have an SOS that is competitive with P5 so you shouldn't be totally surprised, lol.

Beyond that though, the CFP rankings Aresco whines about closely track the MC. Aresco complains about SMU being behind App but thats how it is in the MC, and he complains about Cincy and Memphis not being farther ahead of Boise but its just about the same in the MC. Heck he even wants SMU ahead of Boise.

Aresco is a windbag we know that. He wants AAC teams ranked higher but he must realize that despite the amazing record vs other G5, the AAC teams have not shown anything vs good P5.

(11-20-2019 08:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 08:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Congratulations to Appalachian State and Boise State for their membership in the P5!

He's probably referring to App St.'s wins over the U of Carolina schools giving them credibility and Boise's win over FSU-east.

Maybe. But I have no problem giving those teams credit for going on the road and playing tough games, and then winning them.

How did Florida State build credibility from being way outside the power structure? By going on the road and playing many "name" teams without expecting a home-and-home deal, and then winning a good share of those games. FSU played at Nebraska in 1980, 1981, 1985, and 1986 without the Huskers ever going to Tallahassee. They played 5 years in a row at LSU from 1979-1983. They also played at Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Michigan without getting those teams to play in Tallahassee. In 1981 the Noles had a stretch of 5 games in a row at Nebraska, at Ohio State, at Notre Dame, at Pitt, and at LSU.

Agreed.
UCF could do the exact same thing and they’d probably be in a P5 league soon.
Lucky for us they don’t want to do this and will stay in the AAC because of it for a long time.

Sure, if UCF was playing in that period. At this time, why would the A5 conferences jump at adding another team. Everybody wants to bring up a time where network payoffs were no where near what it is today and wanting every dollar. Times change.