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(11-17-2019 09:03 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Des was 86 out of 109 qualified QBs for the week which includes his running contribution.

And he is 9-1. The most important stat.

I've been going to UC games since 1979. How many QB's at UC have answered the bell to start the first 10 games posting that record or better? Since '79 - none. Possibly none in the history of the program.
 
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Lorenz Metz is also 9-1 this year. Would you classify him as a winner?

QBs get too much credit for wins, and too much blame (Daulton) for losing. Seriously, how much difference is there between Dez and Andy.

Not trying to bash Dez, but outside of Marshall, he has not looked going throwing the ball this year.
 
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(11-17-2019 09:21 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Lorenz Metz is also 9-1 this year. Would you classify him as a winner?

QBs get too much credit for wins, and too much blame (Daulton) for losing. Seriously, how much difference is there between Dez and Andy.

Not trying to bash Dez, but outside of Marshall, he has not looked going throwing the ball this year.

Yep. can't stand that way of thinking. If anyonenis 9-1 it is the defense. Hell, Tim Tebow has one more NFL playoff games than the Bengals franchise in the last 30 years.
 
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(11-17-2019 09:08 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(11-17-2019 09:03 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Des was 86 out of 109 qualified QBs for the week which includes his running contribution.

And he is 9-1. The most important stat.

I've been going to UC games since 1979. How many QB's at UC have answered the bell to start the first 10 games posting that record or better? Since '79 - none. Possibly none in the history of the program.

Thank You.....It is all about W's and L's. This bunch expects something good is gonna' happen, Des in gonna' find a way. He might miss guys or lock onto his his primary target, but he ain't throwing to Mardy Gilyard, or Chris Moore either. The guy has earned the right to finish this thing.
 
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(11-17-2019 09:21 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Lorenz Metz is also 9-1 this year. Would you classify him as a winner?

QBs get too much credit for wins, and too much blame (Daulton) for losing. Seriously, how much difference is there between Dez and Andy.

Not trying to bash Dez, but outside of Marshall, he has not looked going throwing the ball this year.

The argument is not that Desmond is good because he's 9-1. It's that you can't bench him because with Des at QB, the team is winning. Simple as that.
 
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Maybe Ben isn't ready yet to come in mid game and not make mistakes. Who knows. I wouldn't be against seeing him start next week if Des is banged up again and can't throw.
 
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How many times has Dez led the team to victory in the 4th quarter? A bunch. How about Bryant? Zip. Plus, we game planned all week with Dez, not Bryant. That gives coach much greater confidence in Dez. And guess what? We won it on the last drive.
 
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Imagine this board if they would start Bryant next week over Ridder... who could've played, Bryant plays the whole game, gets sacked six times including on a crucial fourth down play on our last ditch drive and we lose 16-10.

WHY DIDN'T THEY PUT RIDDER BACK IN !!!!!

I'm not saying that would happen, but until someone produces a crystal ball that does show what if scenarios, you go with what you know.
 
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Ridder being hurt has nothing to do with his lack of ability to read thru his progressions and find the open man. He is one of the worst I've ever seen at that. He locks onto one receiver and he either forces the throw or tucks and runs. That is a HS QB mentality. I can understand that kind of play in his Freshman year. Here we are in year two and he doesn't seem to be getting any better.

I'm not necessarily saying bench the guy, but you would at least like to see some growth in that area.
 
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I was in Philly last year for the ot Temple loss, and if there is any motivation for Ridder this week he should only have to look at last year's box(and the coaches as well)


C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Desmond Ridder 14/33 111 3.4 0 1 11.2

FUM LOST REC
Desmond Ridder 1 1 0
 
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(11-17-2019 09:21 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Lorenz Metz is also 9-1 this year. Would you classify him as a winner?

QBs get too much credit for wins, and too much blame (Daulton) for losing. Seriously, how much difference is there between Dez and Andy.

Not trying to bash Dez, but outside of Marshall, he has not looked going throwing the ball this year.

Actually i would categorize Lorenz Metz as anything he wants, 6'9 300 lbs does all the talking. That said, to earn a scholarship to a D1 school coming from a country that doesn't play football not to mention speaking more than one language is very underestimated. With 3 more years left, he could very well make himself a multi millionaire at his current pace. FWIW
 
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As a pretty big Des critic there's no way on earth I make a QB change with the division of the line over the next couple weeks, IF HEALTHY. What I saw last night was so bad that I would have given Bryant a look. Of course we don't know what he looks like in practice and what level of confidence the staff has in him, judging on last night I'd say it's very low.

Winning a close game against a lesser team can be a sign of toughness but now it's a pattern of us being pretty significantly overrated.

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(11-17-2019 10:06 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  How many times has Dez led the team to victory in the 4th quarter? A bunch. How about Bryant? Zip. Plus, we game planned all week with Dez, not Bryant. That gives coach much greater confidence in Dez. And guess what? We won it on the last drive.

Then we should start Bryant and bring in Ridder for the fourth quarter comeback, if necessary. Maybe it wouldn't be necessary so often.
 
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(11-17-2019 10:19 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  As a pretty big Des critic there's no way on earth I make a QB change with the division of the line over the next couple weeks, IF HEALTHY. What I saw last night was so bad that I would have given Bryant a look. Of course we don't know what he looks like in practice and what level of confidence the staff has in him, judging on last night I'd say it's very low.

Winning a close game against a lesser team can be a sign of toughness but now it's a pattern of us being pretty significantly overrated.

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You have to rely on him and the coaches. I don't think he would keep himself in there if he wasn't confident he can make the throws, and i don't think the coaches would put a game on the line(nor a season). They've got more at stake than any fans. You put Bryant in there, he's not as mobile as Dez so they are going to in large part lose that break away running option which has helped tremendously. There's clearly a trade off. My guess is Temple will hunt him as they did last year so it's a situation Saturday whereby it could very well be one that takes care of itself. Best to have Bryant ready to go.

That said, and the announcers pointed out as well, i watched the receivers closely in the second half and honestly they were getting very little to no separation at all. That's why i think they have to go to quick hitter particularly out of the backfield. That is one area where we clearly miss Charles. I thought maybe they would do more with Ryan and Tre but so far it's been limited. However, we are 9 and 1 so not a disaster. If you can't get a short passing game going, you have very little hope of opening things up down field.
 
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(11-17-2019 10:59 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(11-17-2019 10:06 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  How many times has Dez led the team to victory in the 4th quarter? A bunch. How about Bryant? Zip. Plus, we game planned all week with Dez, not Bryant. That gives coach much greater confidence in Dez. And guess what? We won it on the last drive.

Then we should start Bryant and bring in Ridder for the fourth quarter comeback, if necessary. Maybe it wouldn't be necessary so often.

The only angle that makes any sense to me is that Dez’s injury was worse than they thought, and it really started showing as the game went on. Hence, Bryant did not get the reps in practice leading up to this game and really wasn’t prepared to go in. Maybe the staff thought it wasn’t really fair to send the kid into such a close game on the road with so much on the line, and their chances were slightly better with Dez dinged up or not. It was a bit of a coin flip by the staff- and guess what it paid off.

If Dez is truly as hurt as we all think- the staff would be silly to neglect to get Bryant ready for next week. Dez’s stats were abysmal and I don’t know how anyone would think we can trot him out there and expect to win two of the toughest games on our schedule.
 
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I think it's pretty obvious that our offense needs some changes to become effective again, and that may include a QB change (especially if Ridder is hurt). I really don't subscribe to this theory that as long as we keep hanging on for dear life against crappy teams but still winning, we shouldn't change anything.

I'll compare our offense to a car: if your engine starts making loud banging noises and smoke is rolling out of the hood, but it keeps running, are you going to shrug it off and say, "well, it's still running, so I'm not going to risk making it worse. I'm going to be loyal to this engine, because it's gotten me this far!"
 
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(11-17-2019 09:32 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(11-17-2019 09:21 AM)Romell Shorter Wrote:  Lorenz Metz is also 9-1 this year. Would you classify him as a winner?

QBs get too much credit for wins, and too much blame (Daulton) for losing. Seriously, how much difference is there between Dez and Andy.

Not trying to bash Dez, but outside of Marshall, he has not looked going throwing the ball this year.

The argument is not that Desmond is good because he's 9-1. It's that you can't bench him because with Des at QB, the team is winning. Simple as that.

I don’t buy that you can’t bench a player because they have a good record and neither does the elite programs like Alabama and Clemson. Kelly Bryant was 12-1 and led Clemson to the College Football Playoff in 2018 and lost to eventual National Champ Alabama in the playoff. Speaking of Alabama, they eventually benched Jalen Hurts for Tua despite a 12-0 regular season as a Freshman and leading them to multiple CFP appearances.

In the case of those two players they were actually very good QB’s and still lost their job to a younger, more talented QB. Ridder is not a very good QB and doesn’t seem to be progressing so why should he be untouchable? Maybe Bryant isn’t the answer, but whether it was due to injury or not, I can’t imagine he couldn’t do better than what we saw out of Ridder last night.

If he’s injured, they should go forward with Bryant. If Ridder isn’t injured, I can understand if they aren’t confident enough in Bryant to make the change at this point in the season, but if that’s the case there should absolutely be an open competition at QB in the spring with Bryant, Prater, Ridder, Cam Jones, Lindauer, or whoever else may be an improvement st QB.
 
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(11-17-2019 09:32 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  The argument is not that Desmond is good because he's 9-1. It's that you can't bench him because with Des at QB, the team is winning. Simple as that.

Not sure if you watch the games, but I'd describe the team as winning (by a thread) in spite of Des at QB.

If the staff isn't willing to use their backups in situations of opportunity (starter's having several bad series, game plan doesn't fit / needs a change not suited for the starter) or need (injury), then they don't seem to be fostering a competitive program nor do they seem particularly bright. If it's a loyalty thing, that cuts both ways and ultimately hurts the program worse than catering to a prima donna who doesn't put the team first.

That's not to say this is all on Des. He's played his part, but without giving backups a chance when you've adequately tested the definition of insanity it's hard to separate contributing factors e.g. play calling / personnel (be that any combination of OL/RB/QB; it's seemed like half the game goes by before Doaks sees any carries when Warren is struggling). I certainly don't see how this staff can be doing any real evaluation if they're so reluctant to make adjustments.
 
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Honestly, if I'm advising Bryant or Sopko, we're gonna transfer at the end of this year for two reasons: If they couldn't get in yesterday it isn't happening and the line gets longer next year with Prater.... 04-cheers
 
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There have been plenty of teams over the years that have played different quarterbacks based on a scheme. The 09 team played both Pike and Collaros. I would like to see Ben Bryant as a change of pace player. From what I have seen, he is a better passer than Dez. I think that Dez provides the intangibles, but it is becoming increasingly clear that defenses have adjusted to his game. And quite frankly, his reads have left much to be desired. Ben is probably what we need to keep defenses honest.
 
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