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LaSalle game summary
Temple wins 70-65 @ LaSalle in their first away game.

Temple was again led by Nate Pierre-Louis (21 pt, 12 rb, 4 ast 33 min).

Rose was Temple's second-leading scorer (18 pt, 2 ast, 3 stl, 29 min.).

A major bright spot for Temple was a surprisingly strong game by RS Freshman PF Arashma Parks (7 pts, 5 rbs, 1 block, in 12 minutes).

The rest of Temple's players played B/B+ quality basketball, overall (32 pts, 18 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 blocks, & 6 steals in 126 min.).

Notably, Temple played without its top Center, Damion Moore. Not clear what his status is currently.

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The main upside of the game for Temple, other than NPL's third outrageous performance in a row, were that:

1) Temple's defense played quite well for the third game in a row, holding LaSalle to a FG% of only 0.375.

--On average, Temple has held their first 3 opponents to ~61 ppg.

2) Temple was not out-rebounded, for the first time this season.

3) Parks' performance substantially offset a very disappointing performance for Temple's PF and starting Center (Hamilton), suggesting that Parks may be able to bolster Temple's play at the Center position and thus become an impact player this season.

--If extrapolated for a "stats per minute," Parks' stats for game 3 would amount to 21.5 pts and 16.6 rebounds per 40 minutes of playing time.

--Put together, Parks and Hamilton's stats (in 26 minutes) would equate to a reasonable 14 pts and 9 rebounds per 40 min. of playing time.

--Few expected Parks to become a major contributor this season, so Temple's chances at a successful season are looking brighter in the wake of game 3.

4) DeVondre Perry played his third solid game in a row, on both ends, in 22 minutes of PT.

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The main problems/concerns with Temple's game included:

1) Hamilton's weak performance and his inconsistent play in games 1-3.

2) JP Moorman's second low scoring game in a row (3 points), given that Temple needs Moorman to average at least 10 ppg this season.

3) Monty Scott had a third disappointing performance in a row (3 pts, 3 rbs, 3 TO, 1 steal), given that he averaged 17 ppg before transferring to Temple.

4) PG Alani Moore (8 pts, 1 rb, 0 asts, 2 TO, 1 blk, 2 stl in 24 min.) and CG Josh Pierre-Louis (3 pts, 2 rb, 0 asts, 2 TO, 0 blk, 2 stl in 16 min.) had modest "B" level performances.

--Neither of the two players, who play some or all of their minutes at the PG position, had any assists, and both had 2 turnovers.

5) Temple's FG2% was only .400 (FG3%: 0.333).

6) Temple made an atypically high # of turnovers (15).

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Summary:

-Temple played it's third solid defensive game in a row, suggesting that the Owls' defensive play will be one of the team's main assets this season.

-Temple hit ony a modest % of their shots, for a 3rd time in a row, due in part to getting 0 assists from its PGs and only a subpar 12 assists for the game.

-Temple's two active freshman players contributed well, as a whole (10 pts, 6 rbs, 1 blk, 2 stl in 28 minutes). Both have shown capable defensive skills, and the two have played well enough, overall, to help compensate for deficits in playing time by 2 of Temple's returning players.

-While winning their first 3 games in a row against minor opponents, and winning their first away game, Temple's offense has sputtered at times, and key Temple players have had disappointing, lackluster, or inconsistent performances to date, the only striking exception being NPL.

-Keys to the season will be Temple's play at the Center, PF, and PG positions, where weaknesses have been most evident. Unless Monty Scott gets back on track, offensively, the team may struggle to win 20 games or compete in the post-season.

-The weaknesses in Temple's play thus far may be partially overcome if Temple's 3 freshmen (including Damian Dunn, an injured but potential impact player) play well enough to help compensate for the gaps in team play that have been identified thus far.
 
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Temple has a structural problem with it’s half-court sets, as both Rose and Nate, the focal points of Temple’s offense are not shooting well. Better shooters need to take those shots.

Temple can’t score much more than 70 points with Rose shooting 3-9 on 2’s as he did today. He’s shooting 32 percent on 2’s for the season.
Can’t score many points when Rose takes 17 shots, most on the team, and he scores only 18 points. Without that being fixed Temple may remain a low scoring team.

Things probably won’t change until Temple loses.

But that being said, Temple’s stellar defense may keep producing wins.
 
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(11-16-2019 07:47 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Temple has a structural problem that has to be fixed if half-court sets are to work, and that is that Rose has to shoot less two’s and better shooters need to take those shots. Temple can’t score much more than 70 points with Rose shooting 3-9 on 2’s as he did today. He’s shooting 32 percent on 2’s for the season.

Can’t score many points when Rose takes 17 shots, most on the team, and he scores only 18 points. Without that being fixed Temple may remain a low scoring team.

Things probably won’t change until Temple loses.

But that being said, Temple’s stellar defense may keep producing wins.

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First of all, do we know if Damion Moore has already had another in his endless series of ankle injuries? That could be a key to the season.

I definitely agree about Rose's shooting and lack of play-making being problematic for the team, but if Shizz Alston was still on the team or if Scott was playing up to expectations as a play-maker, they wouldn't be as problematic as they are this season. Averaging only 12 assists per game, Temple isn't getting as many open shots and has apparently been taking more low % shots than they did last season,.

Overall, in addition to his modest FG%, Rose hasn't made many assists or rebounds. Compared to NPL, and even his prior seasons of play, he has been disappointing so far. However, he was reportedly not feel well during game 1 and may have been shaking off some kind of virus or illness of some kind. He should be able to play a lot better, and I would expect him to improve, unless he he has re-occurring foot pain or other health issues.

Looking at the next two games, Temple will not be favored to win (@USC; #7 Maryland @ Orlando Invitational), so some of the losses that might cause some adjustments may come quite soon.

The following games will be Texas A&M/Howard (Orlando), possible game 3 in Orlando, Missouri (home), St. Joe's (home).

Realistically, the Owls record after these games will probably range between 4-4 and 6-2, if Temple doesn't play game 3 in Orlando, barring upsets vs. USC and Maryland.

Next up are Miami (Barclay's Center), Rider (home), @ Penn, and Villanova (home).

Even if the Owls go 3-1 in their Big 5 games - beating St. Joe's and Penn - they won't be favored to finish with a better record than 9-4, barring upsets vs. USC, Maryland, Miami, and Villanova. A record of 6-6 or below is perhaps equally possible.

I see some potential upsides if these improvements can be made:

1) Get Rose & Scott to play close to their potential

2) Get Hamilton to play more consistently at his full ability level

3) Get Moorman to play as well (per minute) as he did as a freshman

4) Get continuing improvements/contributions from JPL and Parks.

5) If Damion Moore is unavailable, Parks and Moorman will have to fill the gap at the #5 position, and Perry will have to play more than 20 mpg without foul trouble, as they did @ LaSalle.

6) Improve play-making at the PG position by alternating between Scott and Alani Moore at PG, to get more high % shots.

7) As quickly as Coach McKie has been mastering the learning curve in his first 3 games, he's still in the process of working out the kinks, figuring out which combinations of players function best, coaching up and developing his players, and making key adjustments during each game. He seems to have the potential to excel expectations, and if he does, a lot of the issues above might be addressed more quickly or effectively than might seem likely at this moment.
 
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Temple offense is so shaky it’s difficult to predict outcome of future games.

Just hope Temple doesn’t have to rely solely on it’s pressure defense as it has to date to win games.

Both Temple and La Salle both missed the same number of shots. Temple garnered one more defensive rebound than La Salle did. In the two prior games, Temple was out-rebounded, but yet won by bigger scoring margins, an indication that rebounding is not much of a factor in determining outcome of games.

In season’s topic, I discuss Temple’s need for playing Scott more at PG, and for him to play well and thus improve Temple offense.

Rose is Rose. He takes you on a roller coast ride from game to game. His erratic play not likely to change. HC should stop making Rose the focal point of Temple’s offense, and should make him cut back on shooting two’s, and have him, if he’s on, shoot more three’s.
 
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(11-18-2019 10:35 AM)Miggy Wrote:  Temple offense shaky it’s difficult to predict outcome of future games.

Just hope Temple doesn’t have to rely solely on it’s pressure defense as it has to date to win games.

Both Temple and La Salle both missed the same number of shots. Temple garnered one more defensive rebound than La Salle did. In the two prior games, In it’s prior two games, Temple was out-rebounded, but yet won by bigger scoring margins, an indication that rebounding is not much of a factor in determining outcome of games.

In season’s topic, I discuss Temple’s need for playing Scott more at PG, and for him to play well, and thus improve it’s offense.

Rose is Rose. He takes you on a roller coast ride , in a game and from game. likely to change. HC should stop making Rose the focal point of Temple’s offense. And should make him cut back on shooting two’s, and have him, if he’s on, shoot more three’s.

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A big part of the problem with Temple's offense is the fact that Temple has only averaged 12.1 assists per game, down from 14.4 last season. What that mean is that Temple has taken more low percentage shots this season, due to poorer play-making.

You mentioned Rose, and his assists are down from 2.5 last season to 1.0 so far this season. That would account for part of the decrease in play-making and assists.

Another major problem for the team is the fact that Alani Moore has made only 2.3 assists per game, which is less than half as many as Shizz Alston made last season (5.0 assists per game).

Moreover, Alani's assist to turnover ratio is an abysmal 1.35 (2.3 assists per 1.7 turnovers). In comparison, Shizz Alston had two assists for every turnover.

If it wasn't for NPL's dramatic increase in assists, from 2.1 last season to 4.3 this season, Temple would have averaged below 10 assists per game in games 1-3 this season.

--NPL's assist to TO ratio has also improved dramatically, from 2.1:1.7 last season to 4.3:1.3 this season (ast:to ratio=3.31).

--Moorman's assists have also increased from 1.7 apg to 3.3 apg.

Since Scott showed the ability to play the PG position fairly well, it would seem advisable to balance the number of minutes played by Temple's PGs, rather than having Alani play the lion's share of the minutes at that position.

Regarding rebounding, we're talking about the number of possessions. You've emphasized how Temple tends to get a surplus of possessions by causing opponent turnovers while committing few TO's of their own.

--While that is undoubtedly true, and while every opponent turnover both strips an opponent possession and adds a Temple possession, every Temple rebound adds a Temple possession and prevents an opponent possession.

--Thus, turnover margin is somewhat more important than rebounding margin, each TU rebound adds a Temple possession or prevents an opponent possession. In addition, as you've mentioned, fouls are similar to turnovers, insofar as they transfer possession of the ball from one team to the other.

--So are rebounding margins important? Yes, but far less important than the net possession margin (fewer fouls, fewer turnovers, and more rebounds than opponents).

--Yet, on the other hand, a team's overall possession margin is reduced when they are out-rebounded. In Temple's case, their possession margin due to fewer turnovers has too often been offset or diminished by a rebounding deficit or surplus fouls.

--I imagine that you must agree that the best of all possible worlds is to have a rebounding surplus, a turnover deficit, and a deficit of personal fouls.

--The larger the net possession margin, the greater a team's scoring surplus tends to be, provided that the team maintains a comparable FG% and FT%.


Regarding Rose, are there any indications that he is doing the same as Dunphy did and telling other players to take fewer shots? I
f so, that could help explain why Moorman hasn't increased his scoring at all, compared to last season.

I have mostly relied on radio broadcasts and live stats, so I don't know the answer to this: When Scott came into the games 2 and 3, did he play at the PG position, or spend more time playing on the wings? If he did play PG, how did the team do at the time?

Also, do you know anything about why Damion Moore didn't play @ LaSalle? Has he re-injured his ankle? If so, his upside may be limited this season.
 
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Lots to cover. Will respond in separate posts.

I don’t believe assists are down due to Temple taking low percentage shots. Temple assists are primarily down due not being a good ball distributor, coupled with certain players simple not scoring well. Result-fewer assists.

Alani is not not being used as a point guard. Is not being asked to drive and dish off.

primarily getting assists by passing the ball on the perimeter, and the outside shooter either making or not making three-pointers. On passes from Alani, both Rose and Nate have missed open shots, and therefore no assist. Temple’s three point shooting has dropped from 34 percent to 27 percent so Alani and other players are deprived assists. Also, with Alston’s departure, Alani is taking more shots as he should and thus less assists.

Alani’s main strength is his shooting the ball which overall he has done very well. Just wish McKie draws up more plays so he can shoot even more than he has. He’s 30 plus minutes, and he makes more steals than turnovers. Few PG’s in the nation do that. That has resulted in more points for Temple, and less for opponents. Alston did not do that.

The reason Nate is getting more assists is because of his huge increase in stealing the ball, and getting some assists on fast breaks. Also dishing ball to players in half-court sets for open three’s. Gets a few assists on his drives to the hoop in half-court sets as well. Could have had more except he’s tunneled vision, selfish, and prefers to score himself. In the La Salle game a few times, he refused to look for and pass the ball to Scott when he was wide-open at the three-point line.

Rose has also played selfishly. He prefers in half court sets to drive to the hoop and score. He rarely looks to dish the ball off. He missed all of his two point jump shots. In the open court, he’s tunnel vision as well, and forces going to the hoop, rather than pass the ball to an open cutter. He’s also not had any assists on ball passed to Nate and others who have missed their open three’s.

Mckie has made it clear he wants Rose to be Temple’s main shooter. Not wise as Rose is killing Temple’s offense with his averaging 8.7 two’s per game, and shooting them at only 30 percent.

He’s also allowed Josh to shoot 1-5 on three’s.

Moorman is passing up open shots.

Scott is only playing on the wing. This is a huge mistake and may prove to be costly in upcoming games. As Temple players rarely pass him the ball. He needs to control the ball at PG with Alani being the SG, in order for Temple to succeed. Temple’s half-court sets are a mess, and it’s clear that McKie does not see what everyone else sees, and doesn’t want to play Scott at PG, which is the obvious solution, and would allow Rose to play better.
 
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Will try to find out about D.Moore status.

Garnering extra possessions via turnovers are very important. Believe Temple’s opponents have committed seven more turnovers than Temple per game. That has allowed Temple to go to the foul-line more than it’s opponents, resulting in Temple scoring 9 more points from the foul-line than Temple’s opponents.

Although garnering more rebounds creates more possessions, for certain coaches it’s a different animal than turnovers.

First, let’s say two teams commit the same number of turnovers, and both teams take about the same number of fga’s. Yet, one team shot poorly from the field, the other shot well. As such, the team that shot better is expected to garner more rebounds, and does so.

Yet, a poster might text and criticize the team that shot poorly for not rebounding better, without acknowledging that thev should have been out-rebounded, given they shot so poorly. This tells us one should first lookat the number of missed shots by each team before comenting on rebounding.

Also, comparing the two teams rebounding numbers doesb’t always the question you raise about possessions. Let’s say your team had 10 offensive rebounds, my team 7 offensive rebounds. That looks like you had more possessions. Not necessarily so.

Let’s say your team on two separate possessions had three offensive rebounds in one possession. That means that your team had 10 offensive rebounds in six possession.,

Let’s say my team had it’s seven offensive rebounds on seven separate possessions.That means my team actually had one more offensive rebounds than your team possession-wise. Yet, the box score shows your team with three more offensive rebounds than my team.

Yet, besides box scores not telling us all we need to know about rebounding, there are reasons that coaches are willing to let opponents garner more rebounds than their team.

As some astute coaches have figured out they can play small ball, and by doing so, shoot a higher field goal percentage then the opponent, both in half court sets, and by fast breaking off of defensive rebounds.

They lull the opponents into going to the offensive boards in greater numbers, knowing if they get the defensive rebound they will score easily in transition as the opposing coach has not sent more players back in transition defense.

Often, opposing coaches figure this out and stop going to the offensive boards. Even in half court sets, if coaches think playing small will allow them to shoot at a higher rate, they’rvwilling to be out rebounded. They also know that it’s hard to score off an offensive rebound as often the opponent has an guy between the offensive rebounder and the. hoop.,

I’ve seen little evidence that rebounding is a significant factor in determining the outcome of games. The turnover differential is.
 
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First point:

I want to clarify that assists occur when a player passes to a man open for a high percentage shot, whereas, no assist happens when a player passes to a man who's not in scoring position and ends up taking a lower percentage shot.

I wasn't suggesting that low percentage shots cause fewer assists, but the other way 'round. That's why the mediocre play-making is hurting Temple's FG%.
 
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Next topic: Alani.

He did start out with two of his best games in his career and played over 30 minutes.

However, in game 3, he played 24 minutes, and his productivity was a typical Alani Moore performance in his 3+ years on the team. 12 productive stats in 24 minutes, a B level performance statistically.

Worse yet, his assist to turnover is only 1.35, which is the worst PG A:T ratio that I can recall since I started following the Owls in 1981.

To his credit, he's an important contributor, but as we both agree, Coach McKie has got to get another PG on the floor to split the playing time at that position with him.

Thanks for letting me know that Scott has been playing mainly on the wings. I guess that Nate/JPL must be handling the point when Alani's not on the floor.

If so, that seems slightly bizarre, given that Scott was playing well at the point for the three months before the season started.

He obviously isn't taking to the change very well. I'm surprised that McKie hasn't taken some steps to get him back on track, perhaps by letting him play the PG position, as he probably was expecting to.

To me, players like Alani represent the tail end of the Dunphy era. Dunphy stocked the team with a series of undersized or mediocre point guards, from Guzman to DiLeo, to Alani, with a few others in between (e.g., Chris Clark was, similarly, a role player until his Senior year). Like the others, Alani was a B or at times B- player who hardly played for two seasons, and has suddenly been thrown into the leading PG role. Like Guzman and DiLeo, he's having a fine Senior year, but the talent level restricts him just as much as it restricted the others.

For that reason, I'm pretty disappointed that Coach McKie hasn't broken free from the pattern with respect to offering and signing mediocre point guards (e.g., QJ, JPL, and possibly Strickland, none of which yet seem to have the skill set and height that he's looking for.
 
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Regarding JP Moorman, his productivity hasn't changed much since last season. I haven't been able to see him playing defense, and gather he may be playing better interior defense, but if he keeps averaging something like 8 pts and 6 rebounds per 30 minutes, the team isn't going to get the productivity it needs from the PF position.

It's showtime, J.P. You're an upperclassman now, and a co-captain. But you have to inspire in order to lead, and thus far, you aren't inspiring many people. Rev it up, man!
 
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Glad you mentioned Moorman. Last year he always looked sluggish and slow afoot. Not this season, as trainer Brady Welch gave him a nutrition and training that has now produced a leaner and quicker JP Moorman.

His defense has been good. . He’s rebounding well, and his biggest improvement has been cutting downfrom 2.5 fouls per game playing 25 mpg last season, to averaging 30 mpg, and only averaging one foul per game.

Moorman’s offense has been erratics, but it’s early in the season.

Perry has averaged 7.7 ppg, compared, to Moorman’s 5.6 And Perry is doing so being inthe court 1/3 less time than Moorman has.

Perry has dramatically improved his offense and is averaging 19 minutes per game. Shooting 53.6 percent on two’s, and 40 percent on three’s. He’s playing better than Moorman. Look for him to get more playing time. What I like the most is that Perry is shooting more often than he ever has at once every 3.5 minutes he plays, compared to Moorman shooting once almost every five minutes. Perry also has no turnovers in the thre games played, and has stole the ball more often than Moorman..

Since Temple’s offense is lagging like to see him play more and shoot more. He’s been playing much better than Rose as well.

Does seem that Moorman as one of Temple’s captains is being shown some unwarranted favoritism, the same is true for Rose as well who is shooting way to many two’s than he should be given his only shooting 30 percent on two’s.
 
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(11-20-2019 12:18 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Glad you mentioned Moorman. Last year he always looked sluggish and slow afoot. Not this season, as trainer Brady Welch gave him a nutrition and training that has now produced a leaner and quicker JP Moorman.

His defense has been good. . He’s rebounding well, and his biggest improvement has been cutting downfrom 2.5 fouls per game playing 25 mpg last season, to averaging 30 mpg, and only averaging one foul per game.

Moorman’s offense has been erratics, but it’s early in the season.

Perry has averaged 7.7 ppg, compared, to Moorman’s 5.6 And Perry is doing so being inthe court 1/3 less time than Moorman has.

Perry has dramatically improved his offense and is averaging 19 minutes per game. Shooting 53.6 percent on two’s, and 40 percent on three’s. He’s playing better than Moorman. Look for him to get more playing time. What I like the most is that Perry is shooting more often than he ever has at once every 3.5 minutes he plays, compared to Moorman shooting once almost every five minutes. Perry also has no turnovers in the thre games played, and has stole the ball more often than Moorman..

Thanks for the update on Moorman. Glad he's getting leaner and quicker, playing better defense. His rebounding may be slightly better this season, thus far. Kudos to the trainer.

His offensive struggles remind of of Scott's. I wonder if these two guys are having a little difficulty adjusting to McKie's newer system of play - - or is it simply that they're not getting the ball in scoring position? Perhaps it's both.

It will indeed be interesting to see if Perry's minutes increase a bit, as they probably should (at wing and PF and in pressure defenses). He played 22 minutes but picked up 4 fouls, an ongoing issue with him. A key for him to play more minutes will be his ability to avoid fouling.
 
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(11-20-2019 05:16 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(11-20-2019 12:18 PM)Miggy Wrote:  Glad you mentioned Moorman. Last year he always looked sluggish and slow afoot. Not this season, as trainer Brady Welch gave him a nutrition and training that has now produced a leaner and quicker JP Moorman.

His defense has been good. . He’s rebounding well, and his biggest improvement has been cutting downfrom 2.5 fouls per game playing 25 mpg last season, to averaging 30 mpg, and only averaging one foul per game.

Moorman’s offense has been erratics, but it’s early in the season.

Perry has averaged 7.7 ppg, compared, to Moorman’s 5.6 And Perry is doing so being inthe court 1/3 less time than Moorman has.

Perry has dramatically improved his offense and is averaging 19 minutes per game. Shooting 53.6 percent on two’s, and 40 percent on three’s. He’s playing better than Moorman. Look for him to get more playing time. What I like the most is that Perry is shooting more often than he ever has at once every 3.5 minutes he plays, compared to Moorman shooting once almost every five minutes. Perry also has no turnovers in the thre games played, and has stole the ball more often than Moorman..

Thanks for the update on Moorman. Glad he's getting leaner and quicker, playing better defense. His rebounding may be slightly better this season, thus far. Kudos to the trainer.

His offensive struggles remind of of Scott's. I wonder if these two guys are having a little difficulty adjusting to McKie's newer system of play - - or is it simply that they're not getting the ball in scoring position? Perhaps it's both.

It will indeed be interesting to see if Perry's minutes increase a bit, as they probably should (at wing and PF and in pressure defenses). He played 22 minutes but picked up 4 fouls, an ongoing issue with him. A key for him to play more minutes will be his ability to avoid fouling.

Moorman shooting 33 percent in three’s. His misses have been rushed shots with excessive velocity, when he also picked up hoop late with his eyes.

Scott has only taken three shots the last two games. . Hard to contribute when not passed the ball. If Scott played as back-up PG, team might have a chance to be all it can be. Would help Scott if he played PG as he would be in flow of the game, and would help the half-court offense work as it should. Instead, Scott is stuck on an island on the wing. And half-court offense is non-existent.


Not worried about Perry’s fouls in La Salle game as La Salle only made four foul shots. May be problem going forward.
 
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