Montana is good, and I’m a bit concerned about injuries if we face them in the semis or before. Winning the Big Fluffy is not tougher than the CAA though, and they haven’t even done that yet. The autobid could still go to 3 different teams. Would be nice to see MSU pull an unlikely upset this week.

(11-20-2019 09:13 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 06:48 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Weber blown out by Montana, was 35-3 until the 4th quarter.

Should end any nonsense talk about the 2 seed. Hope Montana gets a 4 or 5 seed and gives the bizon a fight.

some bozo on FB is taking up the "we deserve to be #2 and bring JMU to us" baloney that Weber was talking last week. Apparently WVU sucks so bad that losing to them is worse than losing to Oregon *and* Sacramento State.

Yes, that WVU team that just beat Kansas State on the road, yeah they are horrible.

(11-20-2019 09:38 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Yes, that WVU team that just beat Kansas State on the road, yeah they are horrible.

That's what that one WVU fan DESPERATELY wanted to sell before & after our game. It was pretty funny to see him twist into a pretzel trying to justify his perspective that we aren't very good either.

(11-20-2019 09:38 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 09:13 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 06:48 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Weber blown out by Montana, was 35-3 until the 4th quarter.

Should end any nonsense talk about the 2 seed. Hope Montana gets a 4 or 5 seed and gives the bizon a fight.

some bozo on FB is taking up the "we deserve to be #2 and bring JMU to us" baloney that Weber was talking last week. Apparently WVU sucks so bad that losing to them is worse than losing to Oregon *and* Sacramento State.

Yes, that WVU team that just beat Kansas State on the road, yeah they are horrible.

Oregon is a very good team, but WVU is still a TON better than Sacramento State. Montana can’t get past that FCS loss in my opinion.

And if anyone goes down the SOS argument, well ... JMU has a stronger SOS than NDSU this year, so would that mean NDSU should be the 3 seed?
Really, the whole discussion should be a nonstarter. If we win out and don’t land a top 2 seed, it would be a total screw job, no matter what the argument at this point. I don’t see that happening though.

(11-20-2019 12:08 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 09:38 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 09:13 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 06:48 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Weber blown out by Montana, was 35-3 until the 4th quarter.

Should end any nonsense talk about the 2 seed. Hope Montana gets a 4 or 5 seed and gives the bizon a fight.

some bozo on FB is taking up the "we deserve to be #2 and bring JMU to us" baloney that Weber was talking last week. Apparently WVU sucks so bad that losing to them is worse than losing to Oregon *and* Sacramento State.

Yes, that WVU team that just beat Kansas State on the road, yeah they are horrible.

Oregon is a very good team, but WVU is still a TON better than Sacramento State. Montana can’t get past that FCS loss in my opinion.

And if anyone goes down the SOS argument, well ... JMU has a stronger SOS than NDSU this year, so would that mean NDSU should be the 3 seed?
Really, the whole discussion should be a nonstarter. If we win out and don’t land a top 2 seed, it would be a total screw job, no matter what the argument at this point. I don’t see that happening though.

Just curious, but where do you get your stats that we have a tougher SOS than NDSU? Based on Sagarins, the SOS is practically identical. Here are top contenders SOS rank (based on all FBS/FCS)
Overall Rank- Team- SOS rank
35 NDSU- 162
60 JMU- 161
79 SDSU- 153
81 Montana- 140
101 Weber State- 134
102 Sacramento St- 125
110 UNI- 135
118 Montana St- 168
120 Ill St- 159
121 Towson- 152
124 Wofford- 205
129 S. Ill- 156
131 Villanova- 175

To be fair, NDSU and JMU's SOS are fairly weak compared to other top teams. To me, I think it proves SOS is pretty meaningless when it comes to making a determination. Obviously Montana would use it as a tool to say why they deserve to be above us. However, if you look at anything else, it's pretty obvious why we should be seeded over them. If they had only taken care of business like we have, they would definitely be in the discussion, but they lost FCS games. We didn't. Neither did NDSU. Case closed.

i can't believe anyone here would even entertain the thought of Montana jumping us to the 2 seed because some guy on the internet is campaigning for it.

i remember when a Georgia State fan on the internet was trying to convince people they'd be in the SEC by now.

(11-20-2019 12:34 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Just curious, but where do you get your stats that we have a tougher SOS than NDSU?

Massey, whom Sam Herder (NDSU guy) references.
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/fcs/ratings

JMU SoS = 18, NDSU SoS = 22

Versus ranks NDSU schedule #171, JMU #163, Montana #138 (overall NCAA fb)

In the end, I think it's mostly moot as the committee will use the SRS, and I also see no way the committee will overlook Montana's FCS loss. SoS only matters when you WIN against that schedule. Otherwise, you are just rewarding teams for scheduling tougher games and LOSING.

(11-20-2019 12:54 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:34 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Just curious, but where do you get your stats that we have a tougher SOS than NDSU?

Massey, whom Sam Herder (NDSU guy) references.
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/fcs/ratings

JMU SoS = 18, NDSU SoS = 22

Versus ranks NDSU schedule #171, JMU #163, Montana #138 (overall NCAA fb)

In the end, I think it's mostly moot as the committee will use the SRS, and I also see no way the committee will overlook Montana's FCS loss.

Thanks.
I agree. There was only one team that I feel was a threat to take the two seed and that WAS Weber State. Their loss ruined any chance for that.
The only way JMU isn't 2 (or 1) is if we lose this weekend.

(11-20-2019 01:08 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:54 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:34 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  Just curious, but where do you get your stats that we have a tougher SOS than NDSU?

Massey, whom Sam Herder (NDSU guy) references.
https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/fcs/ratings

JMU SoS = 18, NDSU SoS = 22

Versus ranks NDSU schedule #171, JMU #163, Montana #138 (overall NCAA fb)

In the end, I think it's mostly moot as the committee will use the SRS, and I also see no way the committee will overlook Montana's FCS loss.

Thanks.
I agree. There was only one team that I feel was a threat to take the two seed and that WAS Weber State. Their loss ruined any chance for that.
The only way JMU isn't 2 (or 1) is if we lose this weekend.

Or if Montana's AD (on the committee) greases some palms. Rules state he should be outside the room while his team is under discussion, but I'd suspect he will be lobbying folks for as high a seed as possible. Common sense should prevail here though with the other members.

(11-19-2019 11:40 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  

(11-19-2019 10:48 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-18-2019 11:15 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  This is how I see it as of today. Outside of the 8 seeded teams they are in no particular order. Obviously wins and losses in last week will shake this up a bit.

Seeds
1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. Montana
4. Illinois St.
5. Weber
6. SDSU
7. Sac St
8. Villanova

I agree all 24 teams you have if all favorites hold serve this weekend, which of course won’t happen. I’d have 7 of your 8 seeds, but a different order. Here’s my stab at it the seeds, assuming favorites all win next weekend:

#1 NDSU(12-0/8-0)
#2 JMU (11-1/8-0)
#3 Montana #3 (10-2/7-1) (beat Weber, lost @ Sac St)
#4 Weber (9-3/7-1) (2 I-A losses; beat Sac St, lost @ Montana)
#5 Sac St (9-3/7-1) (2 I-A losses; beat Montana, lost to Weber)
#6 ILSU (9-3/6-2) (beat SDSU)
#7 SDSU (9-3/6-2)
#8 Monmouth (10-2/6-0)

Reason Monmouth could get the #8 seed over VU:
Monmouth will be 2-1 vs playoff teams: Beat Albany & KSU, lost @ Montana.
VU would be 1-1 vs playoff teams: Beat TU, lost to JMU, + 2 losses to non playoff teams (SBU, UNH).

I don’t believe any team has every gotten a seed with 3 conference losses and a weak OOC to boot. Just don’t see it happening. If VU had played a I-A game they’d likely be 8-4...

I could live with Monmouth getting it over VU. I definitely considered them. Interestingly if this happens then the Big South will have back to back seasons with a seeded team (different teams to boot). They seem to be a conference on the rise and maybe start becoming a 2+ bid league going forward.

Heck Monmouth AND Wofford (if they beat The Citadel) should be ahead of VU for the #8 seed.
Wofford 7-1 So-Con, AQ.
VU likely 4 way tie for 3rd place CAA at 5-3 with TU, UNH/Maine winner, and RU. VU has the weakest OOC by FAR of them all.

(11-20-2019 12:47 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't believe anyone here would even entertain the thought of Montana jumping us to the 2 seed because some guy on the internet is campaigning for it.

i remember when a Georgia State fan on the internet was trying to convince people they'd be in the SEC by now.

Of course there are likely people on here that would entertain JMU jumping NDSU.

I think we are solidly #2

Not #1 and not #3

To be quite honest - this year, right now - I would prefer to be #2 versus #1.

(11-20-2019 02:48 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:47 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't believe anyone here would even entertain the thought of Montana jumping us to the 2 seed because some guy on the internet is campaigning for it.

i remember when a Georgia State fan on the internet was trying to convince people they'd be in the SEC by now.

Of course there are likely people on here that would entertain JMU jumping NDSU.

I think we are solidly #2

Not #1 and not #3

To be quite honest - this year, right now - I would prefer to be #2 versus #1.

what?

not when the #8 seed could be Monmouth. Talk about a free ride to the semis.

(11-20-2019 02:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:48 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:47 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't believe anyone here would even entertain the thought of Montana jumping us to the 2 seed because some guy on the internet is campaigning for it.

i remember when a Georgia State fan on the internet was trying to convince people they'd be in the SEC by now.

Of course there are likely people on here that would entertain JMU jumping NDSU.

I think we are solidly #2

Not #1 and not #3

To be quite honest - this year, right now - I would prefer to be #2 versus #1.

what?

not when the #8 seed could be Monmouth. Talk about a free ride to the semis.

heck if SDSU/ISU land at the 4/5 - it could be a free ride to Frisco.
Right now, http://nobowls.com/ projects Sacramento St/ISU, which I don't think is much tougher. Maybe I'll be wrong on Sac State, just not seeing them as a tough out right now.

(11-20-2019 04:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:48 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:47 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't believe anyone here would even entertain the thought of Montana jumping us to the 2 seed because some guy on the internet is campaigning for it.

i remember when a Georgia State fan on the internet was trying to convince people they'd be in the SEC by now.

Of course there are likely people on here that would entertain JMU jumping NDSU.

I think we are solidly #2

Not #1 and not #3

To be quite honest - this year, right now - I would prefer to be #2 versus #1.

what?

not when the #8 seed could be Monmouth. Talk about a free ride to the semis.

heck if SDSU/ISU land at the 4/5 - it could be a free ride to Frisco.
Right now, http://nobowls.com/ projects Sacramento St/ISU, which I don't think is much tougher. Maybe I'll be wrong on Sac State, just not seeing them as a tough out right now.

IMO Montana at 3 and Weber at 4 seems right. Weber should not be any lower than 5.
As for SDSU, how healthy are they now? If they are back to full strength, they could be a scary team. If they aren't, they aren't good enough to be 4/5 seed.

(11-20-2019 04:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:48 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:47 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't believe anyone here would even entertain the thought of Montana jumping us to the 2 seed because some guy on the internet is campaigning for it.

i remember when a Georgia State fan on the internet was trying to convince people they'd be in the SEC by now.

Of course there are likely people on here that would entertain JMU jumping NDSU.

I think we are solidly #2

Not #1 and not #3

To be quite honest - this year, right now - I would prefer to be #2 versus #1.

what?

not when the #8 seed could be Monmouth. Talk about a free ride to the semis.

heck if SDSU/ISU land at the 4/5 - it could be a free ride to Frisco.
Right now, http://nobowls.com/ projects Sacramento St/ISU, which I don't think is much tougher. Maybe I'll be wrong on Sac State, just not seeing them as a tough out right now.

yep. i don't know about Sac State either. i'm skeptical though on a team who would go from nothing to a 5 seed out of nowhere.

i'm quite sure on Illinois State. way overrated.

that nobowls bracket would be the single easiest bracket NDSU has ever been given and would be a joke. A cupcake path to Frisco.

i doubt it will end up that way though.

(11-20-2019 04:28 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 04:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:48 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:47 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't believe anyone here would even entertain the thought of Montana jumping us to the 2 seed because some guy on the internet is campaigning for it.

i remember when a Georgia State fan on the internet was trying to convince people they'd be in the SEC by now.

Of course there are likely people on here that would entertain JMU jumping NDSU.

I think we are solidly #2

Not #1 and not #3

To be quite honest - this year, right now - I would prefer to be #2 versus #1.

what?

not when the #8 seed could be Monmouth. Talk about a free ride to the semis.

heck if SDSU/ISU land at the 4/5 - it could be a free ride to Frisco.
Right now, http://nobowls.com/ projects Sacramento St/ISU, which I don't think is much tougher. Maybe I'll be wrong on Sac State, just not seeing them as a tough out right now.

yep. i don't know about Sac State either. i'm skeptical though on a team who would go from nothing to a 5 seed out of nowhere.

i'm quite sure on Illinois State. way overrated.

that nobowls bracket would be the single easiest bracket NDSU has ever been given and would be a joke. A cupcake path to Frisco.

i doubt it will end up that way though.

Other than 1,2 & 3 (if they win Saturday) I don't think we know where schools will be seeded.

I'm saying I'd rather be 2 than 1 simply for the mental aspects, not due to who we play.

(11-20-2019 10:56 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 09:38 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Yes, that WVU team that just beat Kansas State on the road, yeah they are horrible.

That's what that one WVU fan DESPERATELY wanted to sell before & after our game. It was pretty funny to see him twist into a pretzel trying to justify his perspective that we aren't very good either.

Yeah, the couchburners really pi$$ed me off. After we nearly (and should have) beaten them, they were all about, "we were almost beaten by an FCS team. Oh, no, we really suck! We will be lucky to win another game this season."

After the game, I kept telling them on their board that they are going to do better than they thought, that they were just responding that way because they disrespect FCS so much. They pretty much told me to shut up, that I was only there to validate JMU's worthiness, not to cheer them on, and continued to insist that they suck.

Then, they played #11 Texas tough, outgaining them in yardage, and were down by only 4 points going into the fourth quarter. Had Kendall not thrown four picks, they would have beaten the Longhorns.

Then, they nearly knocked off undefeated, #12 Baylor. I kept trying to pump them up and tell them they are better than they think, out of just friendliness and encouragement more than anything, and they continued with the same line, "Oh, you just want to believe that JMU belongs. You don't! We barely beat an FCS team. We suck!"

Then, they beat #24 Kansas St. I didn't even go to their board after that one because four things had already been proven....

1. I was right. WVU is better than they thought.
2. Couchburners don't accept compliments and encouragement well.
3. Without question, our Dukes can play at that level.
4. Mountaineer fans live up to the inbred moron stereotype.

(11-20-2019 05:27 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 04:28 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 04:10 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 02:48 PM)Dukester Wrote:  Of course there are likely people on here that would entertain JMU jumping NDSU.

I think we are solidly #2

Not #1 and not #3

To be quite honest - this year, right now - I would prefer to be #2 versus #1.

what?

not when the #8 seed could be Monmouth. Talk about a free ride to the semis.

heck if SDSU/ISU land at the 4/5 - it could be a free ride to Frisco.
Right now, http://nobowls.com/ projects Sacramento St/ISU, which I don't think is much tougher. Maybe I'll be wrong on Sac State, just not seeing them as a tough out right now.

yep. i don't know about Sac State either. i'm skeptical though on a team who would go from nothing to a 5 seed out of nowhere.

i'm quite sure on Illinois State. way overrated.

that nobowls bracket would be the single easiest bracket NDSU has ever been given and would be a joke. A cupcake path to Frisco.

i doubt it will end up that way though.

Other than 1,2 & 3 (if they win Saturday) I don't think we know where schools will be seeded.

I'm saying I'd rather be 2 than 1 simply for the mental aspects, not due to who we play.

If Montana and Sac St win, and Weber loses, Sac St gets the Autobid, and has a case for the #3 seed due to their win over Montana.

It’s also possible Montana loses to MSU like they have the past 3 years, so I would say the #3 seed is still not certain.

I do think Montana is the most physical “toughest” team in the big sky, and would prefer to see them drop to a 4/5 slot.

(11-20-2019 02:48 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(11-20-2019 12:47 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i can't believe anyone here would even entertain the thought of Montana jumping us to the 2 seed because some guy on the internet is campaigning for it.

i remember when a Georgia State fan on the internet was trying to convince people they'd be in the SEC by now.

Of course there are likely people on here that would entertain JMU jumping NDSU.

I think we are solidly #2

Not #1 and not #3

To be quite honest - this year, right now - I would prefer to be #2 versus #1.

I agree. I can't see justifying us for the #1 seed, and I would rather be #2.

There’s not a team in the country that can take down NDSU other than JMU. Who they draw is moot as they’ll just be earlier round punching bags who will go to Fargo to lose convincingly, if not be blown out.