(11-13-2019 09:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 08:56 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 08:19 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  So, the orange bowl has a weird problem. Their contract with the ACC says that they can take the champion, but if their champion isnt available (Because Clemson will probably make the playoff) the they will take the "Next highest RANKED team".

Heres the issue.... the ACC only has 1 ranked team... Clemson. Literally the ACC is so bad that they may not have a ranked team to fit their contract with the Orange Bowl.

There are no written rules on how they would proceed and the outcome is up to the orange Bowl committee. More than likely, they will take Notre Dame (who they can select twice over 12 years) but I just think its hilarious.

It could be conference ranking and not national ranking. Whoever is second place will get the slot.

They can take ND. Or, if the OB actually gets to decide, then I don't see them taking anybody else from the ACC.

I thought the Orange Bowl could take Notre Dame as the opponent, not as the ACC representative.

AAC fans everywhere should continue to cheer for ACC mediocrity. Repeated poor performances from that league will no doubt cause some sort of change in the system.

As it stands now, the ACC is Clemson and then a whole slew of teams whose performance is equal to that of AAC play (or worse).

Virginia or Virginia Tech, the winner of their game will represent the ACC in the Orange Bowl. The team will lose in the ACC Championship Game and represent the ACC with an 8-4 record.

The ACC is a rough conference because the conference only has one team with a national presence this year. Today it is Clemson. For many years, it was Florida State. Virginia Tech, to ECU's delight because of how poorly the athletic department treated ECU during their hurricane, has fallen, too.

The ACC will perform well in bowl match-ups. The teams may not be world beaters but they are a conference of tough games.

(11-13-2019 11:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 09:16 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 08:56 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 08:19 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  So, the orange bowl has a weird problem. Their contract with the ACC says that they can take the champion, but if their champion isnt available (Because Clemson will probably make the playoff) the they will take the "Next highest RANKED team".

Heres the issue.... the ACC only has 1 ranked team... Clemson. Literally the ACC is so bad that they may not have a ranked team to fit their contract with the Orange Bowl.

There are no written rules on how they would proceed and the outcome is up to the orange Bowl committee. More than likely, they will take Notre Dame (who they can select twice over 12 years) but I just think its hilarious.

It could be conference ranking and not national ranking. Whoever is second place will get the slot.

They can take ND. Or, if the OB actually gets to decide, then I don't see them taking anybody else from the ACC.

I thought the Orange Bowl could take Notre Dame as the opponent, not as the ACC representative.

They can do that. Leaning toward OB taking SEC vs. whoever in the ACC finishes the best be that Wake or UVA or whoever.

They could just take a 11-1 top10 Navy, if Navy should win out (and Memphis or Cincy win out).

(11-13-2019 10:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:34 AM)YNot Wrote:  Usually more than half of the top-25 right before the CFP selection have 3 or even 4 losses.

I believe it will be 9-3 Wake Forest...who would sneak into the top-25 by not playing in the ACC championship game. Pitt could also sneak in at 9-3, if UVA beats Virginia Tech to win the Coastal.

It just kills me that a 9-3 non champion of the 5th or 6th best conference will get to go to a $40 million payday bowl, while a 1 loss AAC champ might not even make the Access bowl.

So wrong.

Yeppers.

As if those schools already didn't have the advantages by the P5 label and the media deal, they get the additional revenue by going to all the better paying bowl games, while we are left with the lower paying ones. On top of that, it affects recruiting because a coach can tell a kid "Hey we are rebuilding. We'll probably go 7-5 next year and that will still get us on a NY Day Bowl. I know you are looking at an AAC school. If they don't win their conference and get selected for the NY6, you are headed to the Frisco Bowl to play a CUSA team".

(11-13-2019 03:00 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  They could just take a 11-1 top10 Navy, if Navy should win out (and Memphis or Cincy win out).

I think you would need Memphis to win out in order for Navy to have 1 loss and not get the access bowl slot. If they win the CCG they'll be the G5 representative in the NY6. If they lose the CCG they'll have 2 losses.

I think if Memphis and Navy win out both should be NY6 teams. But can the orange bowl take Navy? I believe there is a clause in one of the contracts that allows some of the NY6 bowls to be backfilled with ranked G5 teams if they are in the top 12, does anyone know if that's true?

And if the OB can take Navy from a legal standpoint, will they? I think Navy is a big enough brand to warrant consideration, but not having an ACC team in a NY6 is a bad look for a massive conference backed by lots of TV money. I could see ESPN applying pressure to prevent it from happening

(11-13-2019 03:00 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  They could just take a 11-1 top10 Navy, if Navy should win out (and Memphis or Cincy win out).

OB is required to take ACC vs. SEC/Big/ND. Unless someone has something different.

(11-13-2019 10:10 AM)Shox Wrote:  If the Orange bowl committee is concerned about tickets sold then they need a wilcard. Assuming they have an option to invite whomever they want since there will be no ranked ACC teams, they should invite a 12-1 App. The Mountaineers would bring 30k to Miami for the game and would at least make for exciting television.

(11-13-2019 03:12 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 03:00 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  They could just take a 11-1 top10 Navy, if Navy should win out (and Memphis or Cincy win out).

I think you would need Memphis to win out in order for Navy to have 1 loss and not get the access bowl slot. If they win the CCG they'll be the G5 representative in the NY6. If they lose the CCG they'll have 2 losses.

I think if Memphis and Navy win out both should be NY6 teams. But can the orange bowl take Navy? I believe there is a clause in one of the contracts that allows some of the NY6 bowls to be backfilled with ranked G5 teams if they are in the top 12, does anyone know if that's true?

And if the OB can take Navy from a legal standpoint, will they? I think Navy is a big enough brand to warrant consideration, but not having an ACC team in a NY6 is a bad look for a massive conference backed by lots of TV money. I could see ESPN applying pressure to prevent it from happening

I don't think Navy or any other non AQ has any shot at the Orange Bowl, The system is rigged and has plenty of checks in place to prevent that and protect the "Narrative", ESPiN does't even have to get involved.

(11-13-2019 03:43 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:10 AM)Shox Wrote:  If the Orange bowl committee is concerned about tickets sold then they need a wilcard. Assuming they have an option to invite whomever they want since there will be no ranked ACC teams, they should invite a 12-1 App. The Mountaineers would bring 30k to Miami for the game and would at least make for exciting television.

If Clemson is in the Payoffs, then the Orange Bowl will take the ACC runner-up... That team doesn't have to be ranked, it just needs to be "Bowl Eligible".

(11-13-2019 10:10 AM)Shox Wrote:  If the Orange bowl committee is concerned about tickets sold then they need a wilcard. Assuming they have an option to invite whomever they want since there will be no ranked ACC teams, they should invite a 12-1 App. The Mountaineers would bring 30k to Miami for the game and would at least make for exciting television.

Does App State have 30k fans in general? Let alone that would travel to Miami...

All bowls should be selected by a larger committee where each conference has a rep. Eliminate contractual tie-ins but use the traditional bowl tie-in as guidelines for bigger name games.

If the ACC’s next-best team after Clemson is 9-3, then I’ll bet the Orange Bowl takes them.

The NY6 are called Contract Bowls for a reason. As long as the ACC has a Bowl eligible team after the CFI fills the semifinals, that's who the OB will take.

Wow. Some of y'all thought this was fair. Must be young.

Adorable

(11-13-2019 10:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:34 AM)YNot Wrote:  Usually more than half of the top-25 right before the CFP selection have 3 or even 4 losses.

I believe it will be 9-3 Wake Forest...who would sneak into the top-25 by not playing in the ACC championship game. Pitt could also sneak in at 9-3, if UVA beats Virginia Tech to win the Coastal.

It just kills me that a 9-3 non champion of the 5th or 6th best conference will get to go to a $40 million payday bowl, while a 1 loss AAC champ might not even make the Access bowl.

So wrong.

Orange Bowl only pays $27.5 million

(11-14-2019 12:47 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:49 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:34 AM)YNot Wrote:  Usually more than half of the top-25 right before the CFP selection have 3 or even 4 losses.

I believe it will be 9-3 Wake Forest...who would sneak into the top-25 by not playing in the ACC championship game. Pitt could also sneak in at 9-3, if UVA beats Virginia Tech to win the Coastal.

It just kills me that a 9-3 non champion of the 5th or 6th best conference will get to go to a $40 million payday bowl, while a 1 loss AAC champ might not even make the Access bowl.

So wrong.

Orange Bowl only pays $27.5 million

Shortest Todge post ever.

(11-13-2019 06:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  If the ACC’s next-best team after Clemson is 9-3, then I’ll bet the Orange Bowl takes them.

Most likely it will be a 9-3, 8-4 team. Wake should get loss #3 on Saturday.

(11-13-2019 03:43 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(11-13-2019 10:10 AM)Shox Wrote:  If the Orange bowl committee is concerned about tickets sold then they need a wilcard. Assuming they have an option to invite whomever they want since there will be no ranked ACC teams, they should invite a 12-1 App. The Mountaineers would bring 30k to Miami for the game and would at least make for exciting television.

+2 for using one of my favorite Always Sunny memes.

Now need to figure out a reason to have Wade Boggs drinking beers or Chase Utley responding to Mac's letter...

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