Week 12
DATE AWAY HOME GAME INFO
11/16 - 12:00 PM (3) Alabama Miss St ESPN
11/16 - 12:00 PM (10) Florida Missouri CBS
11/16 - 3:30 PM (6) Georgia (11) Auburn CBS
11/16 - 3:30 PM Kentucky Vanderbilt SEC NETWORK
11/16 - 7:00 PM (2) LSU Ole Miss ESPN
11/16 - 7:30 PM S Carolina Texas A&M SEC NETWORK

(11-11-2019 09:58 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Week 12
DATE AWAY HOME GAME INFO
11/16 - 12:00 PM (3) Alabama Miss St ESPN
11/16 - 12:00 PM (10) Florida Missouri CBS
11/16 - 3:30 PM (6) Georgia (11) Auburn CBS
11/16 - 3:30 PM Kentucky Vanderbilt SEC NETWORK
11/16 - 7:00 PM (2) LSU Ole Miss ESPN
11/16 - 7:30 PM S Carolina Texas A&M SEC NETWORK

Alabama over MSU
Florida over Mizzou
Georgia over Auburn. Could easily go the other way
UK over Vandy
LSU over Ole Miss
A&M over usc

As a long-time Vandy fan ... I've never wanted a season to end after nine games more so than I want to see this fiasco of a campaign put to bed.

(11-14-2019 10:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a long-time Vandy fan ... I've never wanted a season to end after nine games more so than I want to see this fiasco of a campaign put to bed.

Does Derek Mason survive?

(11-14-2019 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a long-time Vandy fan ... I've never wanted a season to end after nine games more so than I want to see this fiasco of a campaign put to bed.

Does Derek Mason survive?

Not a Vandy fan but it seems like the options this year for replacements are fewer than previous years, which may mean another year.

Congratulations, Georgia, winning the east.

Are there any Georgia fans around? I can't remember seeing any here?

(11-16-2019 08:06 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Congratulations, Georgia, winning the east.

Are there any Georgia fans around? I can't remember seeing any here?

My wife is. Let my tell you, Dawg Nation is the most morose fan base you have ever encountered. They are depressing in victory. Despite a great win on the Plains against a top defense that held LSU to 23 points yet they are complaining that the defense didn’t play a complete game, the offense is too conservative and the coaching staff sucks.

(11-16-2019 10:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 08:06 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Congratulations, Georgia, winning the east.

Are there any Georgia fans around? I can't remember seeing any here?

My wife is. Let my tell you, Dawg Nation is the most morose fan base you have ever encountered. They are depressing in victory. Despite a great win on the Plains against a top defense that held LSU to 23 points yet they are complaining that the defense didn’t play a complete game, the offense is too conservative and the coaching staff sucks.

Lol, didn't realize their fans had such a hard time enjoying victories.

I actually just remembered DawgNBama, he slipped my mind. He is usually a pretty good poster on the boards here from what I remember.

So winning the East 3 years in a row and they still find things to be miserable about. I've seen a few from other teams that match this description.

(11-16-2019 10:29 PM)cubucks Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 10:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-16-2019 08:06 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Congratulations, Georgia, winning the east.

Are there any Georgia fans around? I can't remember seeing any here?

My wife is. Let my tell you, Dawg Nation is the most morose fan base you have ever encountered. They are depressing in victory. Despite a great win on the Plains against a top defense that held LSU to 23 points yet they are complaining that the defense didn’t play a complete game, the offense is too conservative and the coaching staff sucks.

Lol, didn't realize their fans had such a hard time enjoying victories.

I actually just remembered DawgNBama, he slipped my mind. He is usually a pretty good poster on the boards here from what I remember.

So winning the East 3 years in a row and they still find things to be miserable about. I've seen a few from other teams that match this description.

Well, most of them are from Atlanta and that explains a lot. Folks from Atlanta get up griping, gripe more going to work, gripe about work, gripe about lunch, gripe going home, and then slap the spouse and kick the dog, so...……..

One thing you can count on when it comes to Georgia fans...

They don't miss tee time.

(11-14-2019 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a long-time Vandy fan ... I've never wanted a season to end after nine games more so than I want to see this fiasco of a campaign put to bed.

Does Derek Mason survive?

Good question. I was talking to some college sports fans (including a Vandy man) this morning over coffee regarding Derek Mason's future. I think Derek and Malcolm Turner (the VU AD) will respectfully reach an agreement to allow a friendly parting of the ways.

Derek has done a very good job in some respects (in many respects, actually). He genuinely cares about his players, the university and, broadly, Nashville. I like that he's kind of quirky and into fashion and art. I originally thought when he was hired ... "WTF? This man is not qualified." But I was wrong. He has done a solid job.

Still, I think it's time for a change.

Does anybody know if the next James Franklin might want to join us on the West End?

(11-17-2019 10:24 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a long-time Vandy fan ... I've never wanted a season to end after nine games more so than I want to see this fiasco of a campaign put to bed.

Does Derek Mason survive?

Good question. I was talking to some college sports fans (including a Vandy man) this morning over coffee regarding Derek Mason's future. I think Derek and Malcolm Turner (the VU AD) will respectfully reach an agreement to allow a friendly parting of the ways.

Derek has done a very good job in some respects (in many respects, actually). He genuinely cares about his players, the university and, broadly, Nashville. I like that he's kind of quirky and into fashion and art. I originally thought when he was hired ... "WTF? This man is not qualified." But I was wrong. He has done a solid job.

Still, I think it's time for a change.

Does anybody know if the next James Franklin might want to join us on the West End?

Do you trust Turner’s ability to find the next Franklin. Personally I don’t think search firms are qualified for that kind research.

(11-17-2019 03:01 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 10:24 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(11-14-2019 10:09 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a long-time Vandy fan ... I've never wanted a season to end after nine games more so than I want to see this fiasco of a campaign put to bed.

Does Derek Mason survive?

Good question. I was talking to some college sports fans (including a Vandy man) this morning over coffee regarding Derek Mason's future. I think Derek and Malcolm Turner (the VU AD) will respectfully reach an agreement to allow a friendly parting of the ways.

Derek has done a very good job in some respects (in many respects, actually). He genuinely cares about his players, the university and, broadly, Nashville. I like that he's kind of quirky and into fashion and art. I originally thought when he was hired ... "WTF? This man is not qualified." But I was wrong. He has done a solid job.

Still, I think it's time for a change.

Does anybody know if the next James Franklin might want to join us on the West End?

Do you trust Turner’s ability to find the next Franklin. Personally I don’t think search firms are qualified for that kind research.

Personally, I think Derek Mason is fine and that Vanderbilt won't find anyone any better, and certainly won't find anyone as committed to Vanderbilt.

The problem at Vanderbilt is not coaching. The problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to athletics and firing Derek Mason is not going to solve that problem.

(11-17-2019 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Personally, I think Derek Mason is fine and that Vanderbilt won't find anyone any better, and certainly won't find anyone as committed to Vanderbilt.

The problem at Vanderbilt is not coaching. The problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to athletics and firing Derek Mason is not going to solve that problem.

agreed.

(11-17-2019 06:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Personally, I think Derek Mason is fine and that Vanderbilt won't find anyone any better, and certainly won't find anyone as committed to Vanderbilt.

The problem at Vanderbilt is not coaching. The problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to athletics and firing Derek Mason is not going to solve that problem.

agreed.

I would be more specific and say the problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to football specifically.

As to the vandiver49 question: Turner is facing a very difficult challenge with both Mason and football (more broadly). He might have the ability to "find the next James Franklin" but simply fail in the attempt due to circumstances.

I would prefer VU keep Mason due to his loyalty to the program, the university and the city. He genuinely seems to want to be at VU and in Nashville.

(11-17-2019 08:32 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Personally, I think Derek Mason is fine and that Vanderbilt won't find anyone any better, and certainly won't find anyone as committed to Vanderbilt.

The problem at Vanderbilt is not coaching. The problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to athletics and firing Derek Mason is not going to solve that problem.

agreed.

I would be more specific and say the problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to football specifically.

As to the vandiver49 question: Turner is facing a very difficult challenge with both Mason and football (more broadly). He might have the ability to "find the next James Franklin" but simply fail in the attempt due to circumstances.

I would prefer VU keep Mason due to his loyalty to the program, the university and the city. He genuinely seems to want to be at VU and in Nashville.

Does VU play basketball competitively? How's that softball team doing? In fact outside of baseball what does Vandy commit too other than Women's bowling?

In other words Bill I think questioning their commitment to athletics in general is a very fair question!

(11-17-2019 09:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:32 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Personally, I think Derek Mason is fine and that Vanderbilt won't find anyone any better, and certainly won't find anyone as committed to Vanderbilt.

The problem at Vanderbilt is not coaching. The problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to athletics and firing Derek Mason is not going to solve that problem.

agreed.

I would be more specific and say the problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to football specifically.

As to the vandiver49 question: Turner is facing a very difficult challenge with both Mason and football (more broadly). He might have the ability to "find the next James Franklin" but simply fail in the attempt due to circumstances.

I would prefer VU keep Mason due to his loyalty to the program, the university and the city. He genuinely seems to want to be at VU and in Nashville.

Does VU play basketball competitively? How's that softball team doing? In fact outside of baseball what does Vandy commit too other than Women's bowling?

In other words Bill I think questioning their commitment to athletics in general is a very fair question!

I think Stackhouse is going to be a good hire with time. He was considered a rising star in the pro ranks.

I would agree that firing Mason right now is a bad move. I don't see anyone better taking the job. He's done a pretty good job overall although obviously they're pretty bad this year.

The question is a matter of infrastructure and commitment. Vanderbilt needs to sort all that out and make sure they have a foundation. If they don't have that in place then it doesn't much matter who the coach is. At best, you'll grab a guy like Franklin and he's gone as soon as a better opportunity comes along.

I think back to the days of Bobby Johnson. I always thought he was a pretty good coach and he had a good track record at Furman. Nonetheless, there wasn't much he could do with Vanderbilt because his ceiling was artificially limited.

Currently, sustained success at Vanderbilt is not possible.

(11-17-2019 09:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 08:32 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 06:08 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(11-17-2019 04:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Personally, I think Derek Mason is fine and that Vanderbilt won't find anyone any better, and certainly won't find anyone as committed to Vanderbilt.

The problem at Vanderbilt is not coaching. The problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to athletics and firing Derek Mason is not going to solve that problem.

agreed.

I would be more specific and say the problem at Vanderbilt is commitment to football specifically.

As to the vandiver49 question: Turner is facing a very difficult challenge with both Mason and football (more broadly). He might have the ability to "find the next James Franklin" but simply fail in the attempt due to circumstances.

I would prefer VU keep Mason due to his loyalty to the program, the university and the city. He genuinely seems to want to be at VU and in Nashville.

Does VU play basketball competitively? How's that softball team doing? In fact outside of baseball what does Vandy commit too other than Women's bowling?

In other words Bill I think questioning their commitment to athletics in general is a very fair question!

Admittedly, I'm a homer BUT I think the hiring of Malcolm Turner shows a commitment to athletics. The commitment to women's tennis has been very strong. Though the hirings of Bryce Drew and, potentially, Stephanie White might show lack of commitment, VU has typically had very sold women's and men's hoop coaches.

We also built a very large and nice recreation and wellness center that the VU athletes use.

So though the questioning of commitment to athletics might be a fair question, JRsec, I feel the answer that there is some commitment is legit. Now, and let's be blunt, VU is never going to commit to athletics like the other SEC schools. But we are a different animal. Small, private, and lots of students of color and international students (about 40 percent), some of whom simply don't have the fan passion (due to cultural dynamics) found at the other SEC schools.

We're doing well in baseball, women's tennis (men's is solid), women's bowling and, we hope again, men's and women's hoops. There is reason to be cautiously hopeful.